T.e.vagrans Red striped??

[Hollis_Steed]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/100_1189.jpg

I saw this photo in the gallery and have to know...is this really what it is posted as? a red stripe T.e.vagrans?? If so....I gotta have one! Where do they come from?:eek:

[prattypus]

I have to say Northwestern- Ordinoids- Connicusman has a beaut of a red striper.

[Hollis_Steed]

Yeah, I know of Richard's Red Strip, but this was labeled as a T.e.vagrans, that's why I asked, I just thought "could it be...??"


I have to say Northwestern- Ordinoids- Connicusman has a beaut of a red striper.

[prattypus]

Not an expert, but I think it's mislabeled-

[ssssnakeluvr]

nope, those are ordinoides..... red striped vagrans would be cool, but don't exist. :(

[Hollis_Steed]

How far east is it possible to find ordinoides?? mid state Washington/Oregon? or maybe further east?? or are they primarily western??

[ssssnakeluvr]

not real sure....would have to look in my book for the range....but mainly in Oregon and Washington

[ConcinusMan]

Those are definitely T. ordinoides. Nice one's too. They occur west of the Cascades range in WA, OR, and northern CA. Highly variable in color and pattern even within the same population. (polymorphism). I the case of T.ordinoides, the small head not offset (or only slightly) from the body, and scale counts distinguish them from other garters found within their range. They are by far the most commonly encountered reptile within their distribution range. Den sites near water are almost always shared with T.s. concinnus although concinnus has a much smaller range. (NW Oregon, SW WA)

http://www.diamondbacktradingcards.com/polymorphism-poster/northwestern-gartersnake-polymorphism-thamnophis-ordinoides.jpg?attredirects=0

[adamanteus]

Yep, ordinoides.

[ConcinusMan]

And like i already said, very fine examples. very nice red stripes.

My girl is gravid and due any day now. A few months from now I'll brumate her along with Flicker's boy and see if I can get them to lock in Feb or March. They make a nice pair, don't you think?

My girl (the one with the red stripe):
http://a.imageshack.us/img257/5274/gedc1462.jpg

The boy "Flicker" I plan to father her babies next year:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p156/thedbor/Flicker/Flicker002.jpg

I'm so thankful and excited to join these two, and possibly also become "OrdinoidesMan" LoL. I mean, aren't these two just the most awesome northwesterns or what?

The really cool part is that both of these snakes were found within 5 miles of each other so the babies should be very hardy and have very compatible genes.

[Hollis_Steed]

And like i already said, very fine examples. very nice red stripes.

My girl is gravid and due any day now. A few months from now I'll brumate her along with Flicker's boy and see if I can get them to lock in Feb or March. They make a nice pair, don't you think?

My girl (the one with the red stripe):
http://a.imageshack.us/img257/5274/gedc1462.jpg

The boy "Flicker" I plan to father her babies next year:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p156/thedbor/Flicker/Flicker002.jpg

I'm so thankful and excited to join these two, and possibly also become "OrdinoidesMan" LoL. I mean, aren't these two just the most awesome northwesterns or what?

The really cool part is that both of these snakes were found within 5 miles of each other so the babies should be very hardy and have very compatible genes.

Richard,
Let's put it this way...they are both sooo beautiful I find myself considering a trip to the Northwest to go herping! Seattle and on down the coast in to Oregon is one of my favorite places on earth and now it's calling out my name!:D
Of course if I don't make it up there then I'll watch and hope for your success in breeding these two beauties!
Good Luck!

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, the thing is you can find hundreds, if not thousands of northwesterns over the course of years, before finding a gem as pretty as these. Most northwesterns around here are actually quite dull. I found her at a den site actually, that was teeming with thousands of snakes back in March. She was the only red striped one I saw and was one of very few still hanging out near the den in May.

[Hollis_Steed]

Yeah, the thing is you can find hundreds, if not thousands of northwesterns over the course of years, before finding a gem as pretty as these. Most northwesterns around here are actually quite dull. I found her at a den site actually, that was teeming with thousands of snakes back in March. She was the only red striped one I saw and was one of very few still hanging out near the den in May.

That being said...I'll just hope for your success!:)

[ConcinusMan]

Well there's a good chance for babies that look like mom (red stripe girl) this year. I don't understand what's taking her so long. I swear she's about to explode!