Updated Pics of Anery Radix [Archive]

mtolypetsupply

07-07-2010, 09:55 PM

Looking good, if I do say so myself!!!!

http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq176/mtolypetsupply/bliz%20anery%20florida%20sc/IMG_7929.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq176/mtolypetsupply/bliz%20anery%20florida%20sc/IMG_7928.jpg
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http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq176/mtolypetsupply/bliz%20anery%20florida%20sc/IMG_7924.jpg
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MasSalvaje

07-07-2010, 10:00 PM

Very nice! Yours has a lot more color than mine, mine is really dark.

-Thomas

mtolypetsupply

07-07-2010, 10:24 PM

Thomas, he's not as stunning indoors. That blue really pops in natural light!

I took them for a prospective buyer. Then I go second guessing, should I sell him? He is darned pretty! NO, remember the mantra:

I will not be a hoarder, unable to part with pretty cute babies....
I will not be a hoarder, unable to part with pretty cute babies....
I will not be a hoarder, unable to part with pretty cute babies....
I will not be a hoarder, unable to part with pretty cute babies....
I will not be a hoarder, unable to part with pretty cute babies....
I will not be a hoarder, unable to part with pretty cute babies....

LOLOL!!!

Hollis_Steed

07-07-2010, 10:24 PM

That is beautiful! Would love to own one someday!

mtolypetsupply

07-07-2010, 10:25 PM

Still have 2.2 available, Jeff.

;)

Hollis_Steed

07-07-2010, 10:26 PM

Still have 2.2 available, Jeff.

;)
Don't you think it may be too hot to ship?

Spankenstyne

07-08-2010, 12:54 AM

Wow, that looks great!

infernalis

07-08-2010, 04:16 AM

Don't you think it may be too hot to ship?

I think it's too hot to ship... But why not secure your order now, ship when the weather breaks.

mtolypetsupply

07-08-2010, 06:48 AM

Don't you think it may be too hot to ship?

As Wayne said, yes, far too hot to be safe to ship, even with Phase 22 packs. But I can take a pre-payment, and ship when temps will be acceptable!

Thanks for the compliments!

:)

Mommy2many

07-08-2010, 08:16 AM

Very pretty. My future son-in-law said if he gets a snake, he would want a blue one. I told him I would look around:D

mtolypetsupply

07-08-2010, 01:04 PM

Hmmm, LeAnn, is that a dare for me to make a road trip to deliver one to CT????

ROAD TRIP!!!!!!! no, I won't impose by inviting myself to stay with you, but I love a good excuse for a ROAD TRIP!!!!!!!!

;)

Atlas511

07-08-2010, 02:42 PM

DADDY LIKEY. I want one... is anyone producing anery plains?

oki-inu

07-08-2010, 11:17 PM

I love that snake, I wonder if the color would show under a daylight bulb?

redspot

07-09-2010, 12:37 AM

Wow that is one killer snake!

PS cut your fingernails....unless you play the guitar...

adamanteus

07-09-2010, 02:10 PM

That's a nice anery radix, Stephi.

drache

07-09-2010, 03:54 PM

that is very nice, Stephi
on mine the dorsal stripes are grey
that blue kind of glows

otis lee

07-09-2010, 09:56 PM

stunning! looks like it may have axanthic in there ..?

ConcinusMan

07-10-2010, 02:13 AM

That's what I thought. I thought it looks more like an axanthic. I still think my blue anery concinnus are actually axanthic, but hey, it's a redspot with no red, so we call it anery.

Mommy2many

07-10-2010, 08:14 AM

Stephi,

Is that snake really that color blue? Cause I think I would have to make a sharp left turn on the way down to Virginia one of these times....:D

ConcinusMan

07-10-2010, 02:46 PM

I do believe they really are that blue. And much like my anery (axanthic?) concinnus, they can appear VERY blue in the right light.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/272/dscn0606large.jpg

mtolypetsupply

07-10-2010, 05:26 PM

Wow that is one killer snake!

PS cut your fingernails....unless you play the guitar...

Um, I'm a chick. I can have nails. I know it's not the most flattering pic with my old lady hands, and no false, perfectly polished nails, but I wasn't going for "hand model" I was going for AWESOME snake. :)

It was my left hand. Trying to hit chords with nails, unless you're a lefty, sucks with nails, so were I still currently playing, that hand would have been nubbins, not nails. :)

No hard feelings, though. ;)

stunning! looks like it may have axanthic in there ..?

Possible, but as far as I know, it's just anery.

Stephi,

Is that snake really that color blue? Cause I think I would have to make a sharp left turn on the way down to Virginia one of these times....:D

1. Yes, it is that color blue. Not as stunning in artificial light, but yes, super blue in daylight.

and

B. You don't have to make that turn. I've already threatened a road trip!
:)

Mommy2many

07-11-2010, 07:01 PM

mustang

07-11-2010, 07:05 PM

me want me want ! me reverted to primal stage because of this....me cant talk in politicaly correct sentences because of its awesomeness...democrats are smart(not really :D...ok some of em maybe dont wanna insult people here)

ConcinusMan

07-11-2010, 07:57 PM

Stephi,

You and yours are quite welcome here anytime you decide to venture north. Especially with snakes!

We would love to have you some time, if you don't mind cramped quarters!

I might have to pm you on the anery radix. I need to see if my future son-in-law was serious about adopting one. They truly are a beautiful snake and I know how Steve just gushes about those radix!!!:D

Hey, I gush too. Not just about anery's and not just about concinnus. Amy is my first radix and she's absolutely wonderful! Love her to pieces!

Wow that is one killer snake!

PS cut your fingernails....unless you play the guitar...

Um, I'm a chick. I can have nails.

XD that's too funny. Don't you feel stupid now Nate?:p Tee Hee.

me want me want ! me reverted to primal stage because of this....me cant talk in politicaly correct sentences because of its awesomeness...democrats are smart(not really :D...ok some of em maybe dont wanna insult people here)

No, please, go ahead and insult so I won't feel so alone.:p And I wasn't even trying!:rolleyes:

OK, OK, I'm sorry. Off topic. Love the anery's, love the blue. Still think that radix is axanthic though.

Mommy2many

07-11-2010, 08:04 PM

C-Man,

You are right. Amy is an awesome looking snake. Can't wait to see her full grown!

ConcinusMan

07-11-2010, 09:04 PM

OK then, stay tuned. I figure at the rate she's growing it should be about sometime next week.:p

BUSHSNAKE

07-12-2010, 08:33 AM

:Dits melanistic

ConcinusMan

07-12-2010, 11:43 AM

Not exactly. Anyway, I did some checking and it does fit the anery plains description. Cool. We both have blue anery garters:D

BUSHSNAKE

07-12-2010, 11:55 AM

yes it is melanistic, how could it be anerythristic?

ConcinusMan

07-12-2010, 12:13 PM

Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters (http://www.albinogartersnake.com/price_plains_anery.html)

It is easy to confuse anery, melanistic, and axanthic plains garters. They do look similar but the genes have different effects when it comes to breeding. Generally, melanistic snakes don't have the blue color. Now THIS is melanistic:

http://www.albinogartersnake.com/images/3643Eastern_melanistic_female_x_Schuett_albino_eas tern_and_Melanistic_04_11_2009.jpg

Axanthic:
http://gartersnakemorph.com/images/Axanthicplains.jpg

Anery:
http://www.albinogartersnake.com/images/anerythristic_plains.jpg

Anery concinnus:
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1238/dscn0593medium.jpg

Note the blue on the anery's and axanthic. The degree of bluing varies. Melanstic snakes don't have the blue!

ConcinusMan

07-12-2010, 12:32 PM

I know this looks melanistic, but it's not. It's anerythristic (note the subtle blue):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/ILherper/DSCN4750.jpg

BUSHSNAKE

07-12-2010, 12:53 PM

how would you know Richard? come on now your clueless

ConcinusMan

07-12-2010, 01:37 PM

Not as clueless as you might think. Not everything is as it appears to be.

Well let me ask you this. Would you trust the word of someone like Scott Felzer or Don Belnap if they told you that the snake was axanthic or anerythristic and NOT melanistic? If so, that's how you and I would know. They know because they breed them and know their linage and the effects of the genes they carry. Sure, somebody could misrepresent but I for one trust reputable dealers when they say a snake is axanthic or anerythristic. I don't care what it looks like.

The truth is, I don't really know if my concinnus are anerythristic or axanthic. They could be either one but without generations of breeding, there's no way to really know so I go with popular opinion from experienced breeders and they say my snakes are anerythristic. A reasonable assumption being how they are Oregon red-spotted without red, orange, or yellow anywhere on them and then there's that side effect of having a blue hue all over the snake's entire body which happens in other species that are anery or axanthic. We're calling them anery because of the effect of taking away the red or orange found on a normal snake but they could actually be axanthic because xanthospores can be red, yellow, or orange.

BUSHSNAKE

07-12-2010, 01:49 PM

i tell Scott the same thing Richard there is no proof that the animal in question is anerythristic now is there?

ConcinusMan

07-12-2010, 01:51 PM

Other than there being other snakes that look just like it, and everyone calling them anerythristic, no. There's no proof. The word of the breeder selling the snake is all I need. The only way to really prove it is anery or axanthic is by expensive lab work to see what is truly going on with the pigment cells. Other than that, breeders go by the effect the gene has when combined with other genes.

BUSHSNAKE

07-12-2010, 01:57 PM

like i said...CLUELESS!

ConcinusMan

07-12-2010, 02:03 PM

You seem to be trying to annoy or insult me but I'm really not in the mood so it's not working.:D

adamanteus

07-12-2010, 02:04 PM

It's annoying the hell out of me!:D

BUSHSNAKE

07-12-2010, 02:06 PM

im informing you...Richard

ConcinusMan

07-12-2010, 02:10 PM

Why don't you call scott and argue your points with him. I'm sure he can clear things up for you as to what makes these dark snakes anery, axanthic, or melanistic, and what the difference is. I held the same position you're holding now. I argued that a particular snake looked melanistic to me, not axanthic or anery. He explained the difference better than I can.

BUSHSNAKE

07-12-2010, 02:29 PM

if it walks like a duck....

Stefan-A

07-12-2010, 09:19 PM

if it walks like a duck....
...it might be a duck. Or a goose. Or a swan.

BUSHSNAKE

07-13-2010, 08:51 AM

or a horse. or a donkey. or a mule

mustang

07-13-2010, 08:54 AM

or it could be a obies((yaya misspelled) waddeling midget

BUSHSNAKE

07-13-2010, 09:10 AM

or a 3 legged dog

adamanteus

07-13-2010, 09:17 AM

But what if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, tastes like a duck..... and goes 'quack'?:)

Stefan-A

07-13-2010, 09:23 AM

But what if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, tastes like a duck..... and goes 'quack'?:)
Red-sided garter.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/thamnoph/photos/mesaduck1.jpg

adamanteus

07-13-2010, 09:24 AM

Can you prove that?

Stefan-A

07-13-2010, 09:29 AM

Can you prove that?
Proof only exists in math and that's just because axioms are exempted.

infernalis

07-13-2010, 12:40 PM

http://www.thamnophis.us/1/brain.jpg

mtolypetsupply

07-14-2010, 10:30 AM

Now I know what I'll do when I win the lottery.

I'll build a nice lab, get some of every garter there is, and hire the best scientists to map out the garter DNA and chromatophores and anything else we don't yet know with 100% certainty about our snakes. They will determine once and for all, with scientific proof what genes and chromatophores are responsible for each and every morph of garter there is. Then, we will know definitively what axanthic is, what anery is, etc.

At that point, you can all lavish praise and adulation upon me for my very important investment in the garter world. I'll, of course, say, "Aw, shucks, it wasn't me, it was Dr.s So-and so." so as to appear humble.

After the major discoveries, the lab will be available for genetic testing of your snakes, if anyone ever questions what you claim it to be. So be nice to me. One day, I swear I'm going to win that lottery, and the nicer you are, the cheaper your testing will be.

:)

PS If you pick apart this post for incorrect terminology, etc. your fees are forever doubled. The correct way to correct such a future (albeit fantasy) important person to the garter world is to wait until the lab is nearly completed, and ask to be an advisor, and tactfully correct me in private.

ALL HAIL STEPHI!!!!!

Sorry, feeling a little silly today. :) :)

Mommy2many

07-14-2010, 06:40 PM

I'll second the All Hail Stephi! as I would love to be an advisor on that board. I love that you have great aspirations and who knows? It may very well come true, (as we all hope!)

drache

07-14-2010, 07:17 PM

can I get a job there?

ConcinusMan

07-15-2010, 02:23 AM

like i said...CLUELESS!

non red snakes just cant be anery

Now when you said that, I had come right out and say you're wrong. And you call me clueless! The difference between the gray to nearly black snakes that are anery is that they take away the action of normal color gene, leaving behind melanin. The melanistic gene is a mutation that adds dark pigment, thus drowning out the other colors. It doesn't take away anything. The difference between anery and melanistic radixes is the ACTION of the gene. Combine them with say, albino genes and the outcome between an anery radix and a melanistic one becomes clear.

The gene that this anery radix has will NOT add melanin when combined with albino, it only takes away color. Melanistic adds it. Two totally different actions.

A snake does NOT have to normally appear red to be anery!

Sorry I didn't have time to explain it before.

BUSHSNAKE

07-15-2010, 08:41 AM

ok Richard call me and ill tell ya what i think

infernalis

07-15-2010, 09:00 AM

Anerythristic (anerythristic A, Sometimes called black albino) The inherited recessive mutation of lacking erythrin (red, yellow, and orange) pigments produces a snake that is mostly black or gray.

Melanism (also known as melanosis; from Greek (http://www.thamnophis.com/wiki/Greek_language) μελανός, "dark-colored") is the occurrence of an increased amount of dark pigmentation (http://www.thamnophis.com/wiki/Pigmentation) (as of skin, feathers, eyes or hair) in an organism, resulting from the presence of melanin (http://www.thamnophis.com/wiki/Melanin). It is the opposite of leucism (http://www.thamnophis.com/wiki/Leucism) and albinism (http://www.thamnophis.com/wiki/Albinism), which occur because of a lack of melanin or other types of pigment.

Stefan-A

07-15-2010, 09:13 AM

Anerythristic (anerythristic A, Sometimes called black albino)
Copied that from a corn snake page, didn't you? ;)

drache

07-15-2010, 09:31 AM

only marginally on topic: anerythristic is Mikhaila's favourite word to use when playing hangman with new acquaintances

infernalis

07-15-2010, 09:38 AM

Copied that from a corn snake page, didn't you? ;)

yep, you got me there Stefan... I googled Erythristic just so I could find a proper definition.

ConcinusMan

07-15-2010, 01:08 PM

ok Richard call me and ill tell ya what i think

I thought I just did that. If the only arguments you have is that a non-red snake can't be anery, and just because it's mostly black or gray it must be melanistic, then it's pointless to continue. While you're at it, why not also say that it's round, it's red, it has a stem, it grows on trees, so it must be an apple.:rolleyes: Good luck with breeding your cherries to your apples.

Selkielass

07-15-2010, 07:25 PM

Nice definitions.
I'd love to see a sticky thread that is a sort of Garter snake lexicon of color terms, nicknames for morphs and varieties and shorthand terms used around this forum- I'm still trying to figure out some of the lingo around here, even with lots of Google-ing.

ConcinusMan

07-15-2010, 08:18 PM

Maybe this link will help. It explains most of the terms we use. In this case "Anery" is short of anerythristic.

The One And Only Genetics Wizard (http://www.supersnakes.com/gwiz.htm)

Selkielass

07-15-2010, 08:47 PM

Oh cool! I hadn't seen that- will have to study when I'm more awake.

ConcinusMan

07-15-2010, 08:54 PM

Yeah, that one is not easy to find for some reason. Have to google "genetics wizard" to find it. You said "I'm still trying to figure out some of the lingo around here"

Well, I'm a Lingo. That's my last name, and nobody has figured me out yet.:p

mtolypetsupply

07-16-2010, 07:41 AM

only marginally on topic: anerythristic is Mikhaila's favourite word to use when playing hangman with new acquaintances Give her the word "syzygy". She'll stump everyone, at least the first time she pulls that out.

Nice definitions.
I'd love to see a sticky thread that is a sort of Garter snake lexicon of color terms, nicknames for morphs and varieties and shorthand terms used around this forum- I'm still trying to figure out some of the lingo around here, even with lots of Google-ing.

One of the major problems with some of the terms is that a good number, at least to me, seem to have been adopted from the scientific community, but have taken on a different definition in the hobby.

Colloquially, "codom" means that when one of those alleles (not "genes" as people say) is present, ie the "het form", it exhibits a pattern different from the "dominant" (well, if it were really dominant, it would override the codom, so wouldn't it also be codom?) Wild Type or "normal".

Incomplete dominance alters the phenotype slightly. (IMO, like mojave alters wild type in ball pythons). Semi- dominant would bring a compromise between the two homozygous forms. I don't have a snake reference off the top of my head, but like a red flower crossed with a white flower makes a pink flower. Co-dominant completely alters the appearance as a compromise between the two. Like a red flower x white flower = red flower with white spots.

There are also so many traits about which we attribute a simple, single allele as responsible for the trait, while we may actually be dealing with multiple alleles.

There's lots more info on this, but, like Richard, I just don't feel like looking up references for you. :eek::D (LOL, JK, I have to get in the shower and take my kid to the fair, don't have time now. :) )

That's why I'm going to have my lab. Too much still needs to be studied before we would have definitive answers.

Yes, those who have requested positions so far will be my first and top employees, and all testing of their snakes will be free for life.

:)

ConcinusMan

07-16-2010, 12:04 PM

Give her the word "syzygy". She'll stump everyone, at least the first time she pulls that out.

One of the major problems with some of the terms is that a good number, at least to me, seem to have been adopted from the scientific community, but have taken on a different definition in the hobby.

Colloquially, "codom" means that when one of those alleles (not "genes" as people say) is present, ie the "het form", it exhibits a pattern different from the "dominant" (well, if it were really dominant, it would override the codom, so wouldn't it also be codom?) Wild Type or "normal".

Incomplete dominance alters the phenotype slightly. (IMO, like mojave alters wild type in ball pythons). Semi- dominant would bring a compromise between the two homozygous forms. I don't have a snake reference off the top of my head, but like a red flower crossed with a white flower makes a pink flower. Co-dominant completely alters the appearance as a compromise between the two. Like a red flower x white flower = red flower with white spots.

Exactly! I have a concinnus that I am pretty sure is that phenotype ^^^

It's not a blue anery, it's not wild-type. It ends up being hypoerythristic, no blue but faded colors with light yellow spots. It is from the same population that has blue anery's and normals. I'll be breeding him to one of the blue girls. It'll be interesting to see the results and see how the babies "color up"