hm .. gravid with just 12 month ?

[kazariel]

is there any chance a garter (concinnus) can get gravit with 12 month ? my biggie is getting fatter and fatter every single day o.o she just made 30g within the last 4 weeks ... and i only feed her every 6-8 days with 1-2 pinkies and 1-2 small fishes ...

[Snaky]

In the past this occured already a few times, so it's possible. Certainly with very big growing females. I've even known of a snake that gave birth to young one's before she was 1 year old!

I wouldn't recommend it though because I think the snake might get problems later because of the extremely fast growth. Strange thing is that normally they grow very fast when they have a lot of food, which does not seem to be the case. Anyway she's pregnant you won't be able to do anything about it anymore;)

If she really is pregnant, I would give her all the food she will eat.

[ConcinusMan]

I wouldn't. I'd feed her about the same as she's being fed, but I would split it into smaller meals, more often.

1-2 pinkies and 1-2 small fishes in a 8 day period, but split it into several meals over the course of 8 days if she'll take it that way.

[kazariel]

feeding the monster more often? hmk ... :) well, i'm still not shure whats going on with her, but she is much more "round" then her sister and bouth are from the same clutch. i have them together with two brothers, not their brothers, and i thought i have until next winter to separate them ... well time will show what will happen i think.

[ConcinusMan]

Maybe you misunderstood. What I suggested is that she gets the same amount of food in a week that you have been feeding her. Just in smaller portions, more often, as opposed to feeding it to her all at once after an 8 day fast.

[kazariel]

i didn't understand you ;) she got yesterday one pink and one fishy ... at first ... but she was still looking for food so i gave her one more fish ... she alway eaty like a pig.

[Mommy2many]

I've got several 10 month old females that are absolute pigs. They would eat everyday if I let them. They are also the ones I just witnessed "fooling around" last week. We'll have to see what comes of that.:eek:

[ConcinusMan]

I think Amy is about a year old and she's an absolute porker and I let her be that way, feeding her pinky parts nearly every day, but not to the point of bulging. She's growing extremely fast. 3.2 inches in 8 weeks!

[mustang]

I think Amy is about a year old and she's an absolute porker and I let her be that way, feeding her pinky parts nearly every day, but not to the point of bulging. She's growing extremely fast. 3.2 inches in 8 weeks!
what would be healthy for checker he aint growing much and iv had him about a year....trying to stat 4 pinkys a week is that enought so he can START growing!?

[ConcinusMan]

I've always heard that checkers grow extremely fast and get big in short order. I imagine that if you keep him very warm 85-90 in the daytime 75 at night, and feed him as much pinkies as he'll eat, that he would definitely grow.

[mustang]

I've always heard that checkers grow extremely fast and get big in short order. I imagine that if you keep him very warm 85-90 in the daytime 75 at night, and feed him as much pinkies as he'll eat, that he would definitely grow.
temps are easy theyv allready been done but with pinkies when is to much and how many is too much (mom dosnt want to use mice direct and the cheap live pinky store is 30-45min. away so we goto petco and buy a bag of 3 frozen for around $4-$5 )...last time i fed him a worm it took him about two months till i got him back on pinkys...so what would be a good regiment he is about a little over a foot long...real behind in growth .....didnt grow much?posably at all this past year.

[ConcinusMan]

I would think that it's probably best that you stock up on the cheaper ones and buy enough for couple of months at a time.

I live right across the street from petco and yeah, those get expensive. However, if I travel a few miles, I can get big pinkies, fuzzies, rats and mice, for 99 cents each. I did just yesterday buy live fuzzy and frozen pinkie mice. Got 12 for $12 and some change. My sirtalis garters (and radix) love them! (The ordinoides seem to only eat night crawlers and slugs)

I can get 13 very big night crawlers for $1.99 year 'round but most of the time, I can collect them myself.

[mustang]

checker isnt big enough for the fuzzies and all other stores sell fuzzies as pinkies...only oneplace breeeds their own and theyre far away...he can eat frozen pinkys and the live ones from the one reptile store...no way in hell will they let me breed my own either (even if they multiply like feral hogs ...worms will be out of the question for a while till he gets a little bigger....ok till he gets BIGGER i hate having to re introduce him to pinkys and also pinkys are healthier and make them gow faster right?(we also dont have space to freez em in months quantity) and mom wont let me get mini refridgerator/freezer in my room cuz ill smuggle sodas... max prob 10 at a time till we get space but if its necassary i might be able to convince mom to use a site that sells cheap but it has to be neccesary we might have to buy more space (doubt it tho)...any logical arguments?

[Mommy2many]

What about the silversides? Or the salmon/tilapia from the fish dept. of your grocery store? They would help and vary his diet a bit. How big is checkers?

[mustang]

What about the silversides? Or the salmon/tilapia from the fish dept. of your grocery store? They would help and vary his diet a bit. How big is checkers?
checker (no S (common mistake:p)) is lttle over a ft..ill get a pic and post it if i can

[ConcinusMan]

checker isnt big enough for the fuzzies and all other stores sell fuzzies as pinkies...only oneplace breeeds their own and theyre far away...he can eat frozen pinkys and the live ones from the one reptile store...no way in hell will they let me breed my own either (even if they multiply like feral hogs ...worms will be out of the question for a while till he gets a little bigger....ok till he gets BIGGER i hate having to re introduce him to pinkys and also pinkys are healthier and make them gow faster right?(we also dont have space to freez em in months quantity) and mom wont let me get mini refridgerator/freezer in my room cuz ill smuggle sodas... max prob 10 at a time till we get space but if its necassary i might be able to convince mom to use a site that sells cheap but it has to be neccesary we might have to buy more space (doubt it tho)...any logical arguments?

Amy isn't big enough either, she's 13.78 inches. That's why I cut pieces off of a pinky while it's still frozen, then thaw them and feed her the pieces.

[mustang]

Amy isn't big enough either, she's 13.78 inches. That's why I cut pieces off of a pinky while it's still frozen, then thaw them and feed her the pieces.
hes big enough for pinkies to be eatn whole tho...im posting pic as soon as the comp. reads the sd card.

[Mommy2many]

checker (no S (common mistake:p)) is lttle over a ft..ill get a pic and post it if i can


So sorry!

[mustang]

So sorry!
its ok like i said lots of people call hm that... oh here the pics....hes compared to a pencil
http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy158/JJmustang/Photo06161950.jpg

and another
http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy158/JJmustang/Photo06161950_1.jpg

this is the last one...he looks smaller in this one right lol
http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy158/JJmustang/snakephotocontest-1.jpg

sorry i really like that last one couldnt resist postn it again:D
he ate a whole pinky bout an hour ago im startn to feed him two twice a week but i ran out

[ConcinusMan]

I always did like that one^^^

[mustang]

I always did like that one^^^thanks...o the size comparison is to a #2 pencil....how often and how much should i feed him?

[ConcinusMan]

I don't know about you, but i would't feed whole pinkies just yet. I would perhaps cut it into thirds and feed her enough to give her only a slight bulge. Might only take a day or three to go down, then feed again. You really don't have to worry about overfeeding a snake that young, just don't feed absurdly large meals to the point where they have a huge bulge in them, in my opinion, it is dangerous when they are that young. You can't really overfeed, other than what I already mentioned, the excess food not needed for energy will all be put into growth.

[mustang]

the pics were taken 2 hours after he ate...no big ginormous bulge...unless you see one

[kazariel]

HA!

she isn gravit, went to the vet yesterday .... there is nothing in her belly ... so. She is just plump and a small fatty ... but he said, it's ok how she is and just wondered why she is so cute and calm :D