Puget Sound or Ordinoides?

[fe1dman]

Are these snakes Puget Sound or Ordinoides? Is there an easy way to tell without counting the scales?

http://i47.tinypic.com/2vi15ie.jpg

[infernalis]

Welcome to the forum, I may be wrong, but looks Puget to me.

compared to my boy Sky...

http://www.danceswithreptiles.com/cool/sky.jpg

http://www.thamfriends.com/mat.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Nice to have you on the forum.
Good looking little snake.

[Mommy2many]

Very nice looking snake!

[Charis]

Welcome! I would say it looks like Pugets to me, but I only have Pugets & have not seen a Ordinoides in person before. StefanA can probably tell you for sure, if he sees this thread.

[infernalis]

I had a pair of Ordinoides once and they looked different.

[gartermorphs]

It looks like a pudget to me.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

that's a puget... ordinoes have dinky, shiny little heads :D

[infernalis]

the verdict is in.

[ssssnakeluvr]

definitely puget

[Odie]

Hi, from Oregon, fe1dman :)

[bkhuff1s]

Looks very similar in color/appearance to about six of mine. I have a completely blue one as well.

[ConcinusMan]

Like shannon was saying, the head gives it away as a sirtalis. Ordinoides have very small, short heads for the size of their body, and sometimes "squarish" noses. Ordinoides head is not offset from the body when compared to sirtalis, and it sometimes gives the impression of having no neck.

More pugets:(thamnophis sirtalis pickeringii)
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/imgs/512x768/0000_0000/1104/0481.jpeg
These are pretty much the same color and pattern as your puget. Many people get the impression that pugets are blue. The reality is, most of them look more like these guys and sometimes they even have red spots on their sides. In the wild, intense blue pugets tend to come from a relatively small area confined to the southernmost portion of the Puget Sound and they represent only a small portion of all pugets.

[fe1dman]

Well, it definitely looks like I have me some Puget Sound garters. Thanks for all the help! :)

[ConcinusMan]

No problem. You have one of the finest garters anyone can own. Western T. sirtalis subspecies such as infernalis, concinnus, pickeringii are great. Get that little guy eating pinky parts and he'll grow like there's no tomorrow.