Puget Sound Gestation Period

[bkhuff1s]

For breeders with experience with Puget Sounds, how long is the gestation period.

I've asked this before, but I haven't been able to find the thread I did it in.
It's day 73 and I'm watching my girl like a hawk. I'd rather not do this if it's a 120 day period. I'd go nuts. I'm just trying to figure out what I'm in for.

Thanks in advance,

Bryan

[snakeman]

It's the same as any other sirtilis.Then again my experience is 1 time.I really don't think too many americans have truly captive bred them.Maybe some euros have.

[ssssnakeluvr]

same as other garters, varies from 90 to 120 days

[bkhuff1s]

Well she's going to be absolutely huge by day 90

[ConcinusMan]

I know that concinnus found in WA State gestate for a minimum of 100 days but mine have always popped at 110-120 days. They are very close cousins.

And yes, it will drive you nuts. I currently have 4 gravid concinnus females and the wait is almost unbearable.

[Stefan-A]

same as other garters, varies from 90 to 120 days
I'd say that 60-120 might be closer to the truth.

[bkhuff1s]

Day 80 and she refused food after not eating for a week

[bkhuff1s]

Every time she has a bowel movement I get excited, and then quickly disappointed lol

[ConcinusMan]

Same here. When in the late stages, the bowel movements seem to take as much effort as giving birth.

[Steven Bol]

I would say 60 is very very short. 90-120 days is much more likely. I bred T.s.pickeringii from Vancouver, BC...Red phase...

Steven Bol

[Stefan-A]

I would say 60 is very very short. 90-120 days is much more likely. I bred T.s.pickeringii from Vancouver, BC...Red phase...

Steven Bol
For pickeringii, perhaps, but the post I was responding to was a generalization and I couldn't ignore the fact that some books do have figures as low as being in the 60's and that two of my own vagrans gave birth after 74-75 days.

[bkhuff1s]

I would like to see the red phase. You should post them on here. Day 86 today, and she refused food again yesterday.

[ConcinusMan]

This isn't the best example, but this is a red phase T.s. pickeringiii
http://www.sirtalis.de/fotos/sirtalis/pickeringii_009.jpg

I think these could actually be considered an intergrade. They occur in the border region of northern WA and Vancouver, B.C. Canada where Valley garters are also known to occur. They also look alot like 3 stripe T.s. concinnus found in SW WA, U.S.A.

[ConcinusMan]

I would like to see the red phase. You should post them on here. Day 86 today, and she refused food again yesterday.

She'll probably pop in 15-21 days, roughly. If they are anything like T.s. concinnus (and they are). My females in the past started refusing food 2-3 weeks before giving birth. (100-120 total gestation days)

[bkhuff1s]

Good to know, that might mean they'll be here in time to take a few to the STL reptile show.

[Nafun]

Just as long as you sell a couple to me first!

[bkhuff1s]

I haven't forgotten about you, lol