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bkhuff1s
05-24-2010, 09:15 PM
I'm not sure they are going to show up (if not sorry!), but I tried to attach them as an attachment. It didn't go so well the first time I tried this a couple years ago...

Anyways if you can see the pictures, she's gorgeous. I swear the blue has become more striking with pregnancy. I tried to measure her, as usual she was fighting me. After getting about halfway with a shoe string I gave up and just doubled it ~ 38 inches long. This was an estimate, but three foot doesn't seem that far off the mark. She appears to have grown about half a foot since getting pregnant a couple of months ago.

Again if you can't see the pic's sorry. I tried :)
bkhuff1s
05-24-2010, 09:18 PM
The pictures showed up :) The blue towards the head in the first picture is as close to her actual color as I could get. She looks like she could eat the male at this point... three of him... at once....
bkhuff1s
05-24-2010, 09:21 PM
That's a homemade rack next to her holding 2:3 Puget Sounds as well. She kept trying to get in there....
Dragonfiremule
05-24-2010, 09:55 PM
DAMN! She's a beauty. She looks rather huge in the picture; how big is she?
bkhuff1s
05-24-2010, 10:02 PM
As far as the weight, I don't have a scale... Otherwise that's three foot of snake :)
infernalis
05-24-2010, 10:14 PM
Here you go B.

Looking good.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=952&d=1274756559

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=953&d=1274756559
bkhuff1s
05-24-2010, 10:15 PM
That's much better, thanks Wayne!
MasSalvaje
05-24-2010, 10:56 PM
She looks really good! Be sure to share pics when she pops.

-Thomas
Spankenstyne
05-25-2010, 12:45 AM
Congrats, she's a beauty. I really wish someone was working with them up here as I would LOVE a pair
infernalis
05-25-2010, 04:44 AM
I have friends in Canada who feel the same way.

If anyone at all knows of available Pugets in Canada, it would be helpful.
Charis
05-25-2010, 08:44 AM
Very pretty! My female Puget seems to be well on her way to looking like that, here's hoping she does get that beautiful! It is so nice to see someone breeding them, they are quite hard to find. The vet told me my girl might not breed because of the eye infection she got, guess I'll have to wait & see on that. You absolutely have to post pics when the babies come!
BUSHSNAKE
05-25-2010, 11:22 AM
Awesome snake
bkhuff1s
05-25-2010, 02:18 PM
I wonder what it would take to get some up to Canada...?
infernalis
05-25-2010, 02:26 PM
I wonder what it would take to get some up to Canada...?

I wish I knew, some Canadian people would be really happy.
aSnakeLovinBabe
05-25-2010, 09:06 PM
I've got a large order headed for canada. Did it last year as well. The guy does all the paperwork himself, I simply ship the snakes to NY, he drives to NY to pick them up and then takes them back across the border. Since it's quite a bit of paperwork and stuff, we only do it once a year... He is in fact, looking for pugets!
Gina Hyena
05-26-2010, 11:54 PM
Would certainly be interested in purchasing a baby puget sound off you at some point. :)
ConcinusMan
05-27-2010, 01:00 AM
I wonder what it would take to get some up to Canada...?

They are already there, in the wild, in B.C.:rolleyes:

My brother lives in Bellingham, WA, U.S.A. and they had a warm sunny spell back in late March that lasted about a week. He said he practically had to shovel blue striped garters (pugets) aside to clear a path. I sent a pic of pugets and he confirmed that's the snake he saw. Been working on getting a few ever since but the weather has been like Dec or Jan ever since. In fact, January was warmer and drier than April. May has been just plain old soggy wet and one of the coldest on record. No snakes sighted, no sun to speak of.

If I have to drive up there myself in June or July, I'm not coming back without some pugets! But seriously, snakes have not been active up there since March breeding at the den sites. It's been that crappy.
bkhuff1s
05-28-2010, 01:31 PM
That'd be awesome to see. :)
ConcinusMan
05-28-2010, 02:29 PM
What? the crappy weather or breeding balls of pugets?

5 minutes at a den site from Everett, WA all the way up to Canada, during the first warm days of spring can yield this:

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/333/bluepugets.jpg
bkhuff1s
05-28-2010, 06:00 PM
Wow, I'm definitely jealous! Those are so blue too
bkhuff1s
05-28-2010, 06:18 PM
I've come across an interesting article http://www.jstor.org/pss/27669711 , it raised a question about garter ovulation. What does it look like in a snake?
ConcinusMan
05-28-2010, 06:47 PM
That article is very old and represents the knowledge current for the time it was written. Advances in DNA mapping and many tests since that day have caused major changes in finding true relationships between various species and subspecies of animals, including garter snakes.

Thamnophis ordinoides is no doubt it's own species. It is only by very distant ancestors, related to puget garters. The scientific conclusions made in the original text are in error. It is only provided as a historical context. Don't take it as current truth.

Puget sound garters, Oregon red spotted garters, CA red sided garters, eastern garters are more closely related to each other. Think of them as humans that are black, white, and Chinese.

Ordinoides is fairly alien, like a chimp to a human. Any of the above mentioned T. sirtalis are closer relatives to T. elegans than they are to T. ordinoides.
Spankenstyne
05-29-2010, 01:02 AM
Unfortunately Pugets are illegal to collect in BC.

I guess the blue ones aren't very common in the wild up here(there) either. A longtime field herper I was chatting with who has seen a ton of Pugets in the wild in BC laughed when I asked him how many blues he had come across. "They don't come in blue" he kept telling me until I sent him a few pictures which got an "well I'll be damned, I guess they do" ... He just hasn't seen any.

I tried to get some Pugets with the Santa Cruz order I had a buddy pick up in Daytona last year for me from Mr Felzer. Unfortunately he was out of them at the time :)
I do have some connections to possibly have stuff properly shipped up here from the US, the catch is it needs to be sent via California so it will need to be stuff that's legal to be shipped from there.
ConcinusMan
05-29-2010, 10:23 AM
That's funny. I hear the opposite. The border area and into Canada is rumored to have very blue pugets. It's when you get into the southern limits of their range, they lose the blue. Hmmm...

Oh, and It was actually Mt. Vernon where my brother was having to scoop aside blue puget garters back in late March. So, basically from Everett northward and into Canada, plenty of blue pugets but there are also some that don't have blue and are kinda plain, or have a greenish tint instead of blue.
bkhuff1s
05-29-2010, 01:01 PM
I was aware that the article was dated to say the least. I was just curious about the ovulation, that's all, lol
Spankenstyne
05-30-2010, 02:08 AM
That's funny. I hear the opposite. The border area and into Canada is rumored to have very blue pugets. It's when you get into the southern limits of their range, they lose the blue. Hmmm...

Oh, and It was actually Mt. Vernon where my brother was having to scoop aside blue puget garters back in late March. So, basically from Everett northward and into Canada, plenty of blue pugets but there are also some that don't have blue and are kinda plain, or have a greenish tint instead of blue.


I can't confirm it personally as I haven't knowingly found any in the wild having moved away when I was 17 and now knowing more about the ssp and colour variations. When I was a kid finding garters anything with an orange or red stripe was labelled as a "red racer" lol.