Gravid female Eastern!!

[charles parenteau]

Hi this an update from my female eastern...she ate a frog today,she is huge...problably one of her last meal ,maybe few smaller meal
I should have babies in A month if everything is ok .I fed her exclusively on worms and frogs,no trout jellow or rodent !!!
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[charles parenteau]

another one pic
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s152/parenteau/P1080109-1.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

She's gorgeous. and... old? She looks as worn as my old concinnus girl. She died after a batch of stillborns at age 21. In retrospect, I probably should have prevented her from mating at that age.

I know I probably cursed sky by saying this but "please don't let this be another epic fail"

She's big. One might say "too big"

[charles parenteau]

THis female is from Laprairie Quebec she was caught in 2007 or 2008 not sure.
She is 24 inches long but she is big!!I think she is probalby born in early 2000.
Caught on my friend backyard but Her original den is destroy ,home and streets here she is safe....An artificial hibernaculum was built few years ago at this site and I release most of babies from last year right on....

[guidofatherof5]

She's a great looking snake.

[drache]

beautiful big girl - she glows

[BUSHSNAKE]

shes KILLER!

[ssssnakeluvr]

looking awesome!!! would love a pair of her babies!! :rolleyes:

[Spankenstyne]

Great looking girl Charles! I'd imagine she's looking at a pretty big litter if she's carrying that high still and is that big, impressive. Best of luck on the litter, what a beautiful snake.

[charles parenteau]

Tanks man I appreciate!

[ConcinusMan]

10 years old is about what I figured. She is gorgeous, that's for sure. I hope all goes well and you get lots of babies like her!

[charles parenteau]

early 2000 I mean more like 2002-2003 ....Its hard to tell .Wild snake vs captive ,Especially if the wild animal dont live in top condition!!!

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, I realize it's hard to tell but she is showing age. That usually happens around 10.

[Jeff B]

Shes cool looking, almost a solid black back no checkers and her dorsal even disapears, nice snake. She certainly looks fat enough to have a good litter. best of luck with her.

[gregmonsta]

Fingers crossed ;)

[charles parenteau]

THis is my favorite picures of her..
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s152/parenteau/P1030890.jpg

[charles parenteau]

He is the the boy!!
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s152/parenteau/P1040078.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Nice/great/awesome looking couple.

[Spankenstyne]

Yeah no kidding. Love the oranges on them

[ConcinusMan]

Awesome! Both male and female are very fine and desirable!

[BUSHSNAKE]

the male is a smoker too

[charles parenteau]

Yes the male is awesome!!Both are from two locality not very far from each other...Where the male was caught its where I found 3 strippes flames!!!
I need to catch a nice female from the same place to have a pair and reproduce the orange vertebral strippe....

Look what i found over the year in the same ditch!!!
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[guidofatherof5]

That's it Charles, you're my new best friend.:D

[charles parenteau]

ahah Steve it's an honor for me to be your best friend:)

[guidofatherof5]

ahah Steve it's an honor for me to be your best friend:)

Great, now that we've established this best friend thing, how about those snakes coming and living at the Ranch for....... a couple years. Good idea, huh. Best friend:D

[drache]

can we even get snakes from Canada?
I mean other than the ones that cross the border on their own

[charles parenteau]

Sounds good to me ...I don't think there is Sirtalis .sirtalis near the ranch?Not very far from the limite range of eastern garter snake!?
Someday I will need to make the snake cross the border legaly so I need to learn how...I will ask to a good friend of mine what are the procedures and someday new blood from the original flame genetic will be available in U.S :)...

Over 10 years ago few flame babies went to u.s.a from the crossbreeding between my femelle and male Blais flame...and I found it very cool!
In 2011 I hope to produce the most strikking red you can imagine....the best is yet to come...be patient.

[Barak666]

Wow! Very beautiful garters you have there.

J'ai vraiment hâte de voir les petites bêtes qui vont sortir de là. Et si tu as suffisamment de petits, je suis toujours très intéressé à t'en prendre un(e). Les parents sont vraiment magnifiques, félicitation.

Mathieu

[charles parenteau]

Merci ca va bon train!!

[ConcinusMan]

Man! gorgeous. And high-end flames at that. Dang, I wish you were in the U.S.A.

[charles parenteau]

It look like my female will give birth real soon....she turn around ....never stop moving ...she make a total mess in the aquarium....

[Barak666]

Hi Charles, did she finally give birth to a bunch of tiny garters?

[bkhuff1s]

we need an update :)

[charles parenteau]

I don't know she will shed in few days!!???Never stop moving...DOn't want to eat !!!REal soon!!

[Spankenstyne]

Oh damn I was hoping it was baby pics when I saw you had posted again. The wait is always the worst

[lestat]

Hope it is soon for you.

[charles parenteau]

She will shed real soon i still waiting ...will try to clean up the cage if she let me do it!???

[charles parenteau]

My female ate 3 small earth worms today and she just finished her shed....babies are comming soon....she is very big hope everything will be ok?!

[charles parenteau]

I think something wrong is going on !!???She move really weird look like it's stuck!!?

[Tyrel26]

maybe its baby time, good luck!

[ConcinusMan]

I think something wrong is going on !!???She move really weird look like it's stuck!!?

Sometimes my t.s. concinnus do that for hours before the babies come.

[mustang]

wels eggs are like constapation right? everyone hates that hell hole!now child birth has got to be a lot more painfull....those girls are screaming and theyre on morphine! glad im a boy!(FYI not ment to be offensive)....would explain akward movment thers a lot of weight back there and being small as garters are the weight might be a third of body weight(guessing hopefully im somewhere in the ballpark)

[ConcinusMan]

Well, half the time, the babies just sort of slither out. The rest are in very soft membranes that don't really seem to stretch the mother out. They come out more like a big poop.

[charles parenteau]

Finally she is giving birth right now!!:)

[Jeff B]

Sweet! congrats, can't wait to see what the babies look like

[guidofatherof5]

Finally she is giving birth right now!!:)

Early congrats. Can't wait to see some pictures.......... Patiently waiting:rolleyes:

All kidding aside, take care of the new scrubs and Mom first.

[charles parenteau]

this is not good ....the worst result ever since....
Like 12 still birth -14 jelly bean and over 10 babies she is not finish yet !!!!
Will see over the week if there anomalies on the live one probably yes!!!

One thing for sure I will not breed this female next year she need a year off???!!!

back in a few ....

[guidofatherof5]

this is not good ....the worst result ever since....
Like 12 still birth -14 jelly bean and over 10 babies she is not finish yet !!!!
Will see over the week if there anomalies on the live one probably yes!!!

One thing for sure I will not breed this female next year she need a year off???!!!

back in a few ....

Best wishes to the survivers and the Mom. Keep use posted
Sorry to hear about the losses.

[Hollis_Steed]

congrats! hoping for the best for your new ones!

[charles parenteau]

I have about 15 live babies all look normal (until first shed)...will show you pictures tomorrow

[guidofatherof5]

I have about 15 live babies all look normal (until first shed)...will show you pictures tomorrow


Get some rest, DAD.

[Barak666]

Good to know that some of them made it trough. How are the young? And what about the mother, is she in shape?

I'm gonna accelerate the terrarium construction from now ;)

Hate de voir les photos!

[Tyrel26]

congrats on the little ones! I hope all are well.

On a side note, what part of Canada are you in barak666?

[Mommy2many]

Congratulations!

[charles parenteau]

I'm going find earth worm in few minutes it's time for their first meal!!
and will take pictures .

[charles parenteau]

more pictures after first shed....
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[Nir]

Cool babies Charles!!

Félicitations mec!

[charles parenteau]

Merci ....

[charles parenteau]

little bit better ....i post the wrong one on the last post.
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[Spankenstyne]

Very nice, beautiful little babies!

[Snaky]

Congratulatoins on the life one's, they look really nice :)

[Barak666]

Wow! Ils sont superbes!!

Is it possible to know the sex on small baby like these? I find the orange ones very cute.

[Jeff B]

Wow! Ils sont superbes!!

Is it possible to know the sex on small baby like these? I find the orange ones very cute.

You can sex them the day they are born. If fact that will be the easiest day of their life to sex them via popping, it gets more difficult as they develope muscle tone, then you usually have to probe.

Congrats Charles! Do you think some will develope the solid black back like mom? I was wondering if any would be born like that, but it doens't look like it from what I could see from the pics.

[ConcinusMan]

One thing I have never had trouble with is sexing T. sirtalis (any ssp) neonates or adults visually. I don't understand why people feel the need to pop or probe. Enlighten me.

[infernalis]

One thing I have never had trouble with is sexing T. sirtalis (any ssp) neonates or adults visually. I don't understand why people feel the need to pop or probe. Enlighten me.


I thought that once too, and got it wrong more than once.

when you are selling morphs for a good price, customers get riled when they order a pair and wind up with a same sex couple.

A couple of years ago Stefan put up some pics and asked us to guess, 90% of the guesses were incorrect.

[ConcinusMan]

Wow, you're kidding me!

But mainly I guess I was wondering why Don felt the need to pop/probe newborn iowa albinos. When I got Amy from him, I could hold her up to a light and see her organs, I could see her heart, her lung working, and I could see the progress as her meal made it's way through her system. There was obviously no male parts, the light passed right through that area.

Even without the advantage of semi-transparency, I still would have guessed her to be female.

It is seriously that hard to sex easterns visually? No offense but if it's pictures posted on the web, error rates go up. In person, some snakes are obviously male, some obviously female. And sure, there are always a few that are questionable.

congrats on the litter. That's one fine tangled mess of squiggly fun!

[lestat]

Congrats. Lovely babies and very good pics.

[Mommy2many]

I have a whole bunch of eastern squiggles. From what I can tell, the females are significantly larger than the males. That being said, the only other difference I can visually see without turning them upside down is their heads are also very much larger than their male counter parts. This is just a general observation and by no means meant to be taken as concrete. This is just my personal observation with the crew I have.:D

[mustang]

One thing I have never had trouble with is sexing T. sirtalis (any ssp) neonates or adults visually. I don't understand why people feel the need to pop or probe. Enlighten me.
think of it as a way to 100% sure on the sex then 99.9% because that .1% can be hte difference between a happy and angry customer

[Mommy2many]

good answer!

[charles parenteau]

You can sex them the day they are born. If fact that will be the easiest day of their life to sex them via popping, it gets more difficult as they develope muscle tone, then you usually have to probe.

Congrats Charles! Do you think some will develope the solid black back like mom? I was wondering if any would be born like that, but it doens't look like it from what I could see from the pics.

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There is 2 babies without checkered on the background ....I expect few with the dark background ...
I will keep few of them try reproduce it...
BY experience I need to wait one or two shed to have better idea...show you better pictures soon!! tanks all

[Jeff B]

Yes that sounds very reasonable Charles, wait a couple sheds and see what you have, and then select your holdbacks for whatever trait you want to exploit and try to pass on and enhance through selective breeding. The nice thing is you have the numbers to work with that litter, so mathematically have a good chance to have at least one or two animals that will possess the desired phenotypical outcome.

[Jeff B]

OK at running the risk of highjacking this post which is about Charles flames babies (Congrats first and already asside) this sexing subject has already highjacked this post, so some enlightening seems to be in NEED.
Size can "sometimes" be right (OFTEN WRONG!!!), tail length, thickness, and proportion can MORE often be right, BUT POPPING BY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH PRESSURE, HOW TO ANGLE THE TAIL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN INVERTED HEMIPENE AND FEMALE SCENT GLANDS, AND POPPING BY SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE SEVERAL HUNDRED VERSUS A COUPLE, AND SEVERAL DOUBLE CHECKS OF THE POPPING IS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY MORE ACCURATE AND VERY RARELY WRONG. Compared to guessing based on looking at the animal......well..... thats just GUESSING period
Don't try to undervalue popping by an experienced breeder, because it is a valuable aspect of purchasing an animal, confidence (or lack of) in sexing can be a deal maker or breaker. The value of a pair versus 2 males is significant. I have sold hundreds of babies which I sexed myself and I have not yet to date had a single customer say they got the wrong sex (knock on wood) and sure it will likely happen, nobody is perfect, but at least it won't be a common occurence, and thats because I take great pride, and put in a lot of time and effort in the quality assurance aspect of sexing, and yes that has value and is or should be worth something to the customer buying my animals.

[ConcinusMan]

I'm not undervaluing it, I just wanted to know why it was necessary and now I do!

[charles parenteau]

I rather popping than probe my snake espacially with my 10 thumbs...

[Jeff B]

I'm not undervaluing it, I just wanted to know why it was necessary and now I do!

Oh sorry Richard, I just realized that post might have come across as coming down on someone, that was not my intent, thats not how I operate, I was simple trying to be informative and educational, and state my case for the value of popping right after birth, sometimes I think maybe I come accross as being brash in writing, I'm actually a nice guy in person:) I guess if you asked my wife or friends they would say "no your not":rolleyes::D

[Barak666]

So how does the cute little babies are doing?

[charles parenteau]

The best looking babies with alot of color don'nt want to eat by themself so this is not good for futur breeding selection I will see after the fisrt shed..
but the color begin to appear ton the other one ...
PIctures comming soon!!

[ssssnakeluvr]

I have on several occasions received "pairs" that weren't....it's kind of a bummer.