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snakeman
04-24-2010, 06:20 PM
Here is a mel female I held back.Almost totally black except a little bit of white under the chin.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/rsz_dsc00211.jpg

snakeman
04-24-2010, 06:21 PM
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/rsz_dsc00210.jpg

snakeman
04-24-2010, 06:24 PM
Here is a updated pic of the dwarf.It has really grown on me.This guy is tough!Always wrestles the food away from the normal snakes.Very determined little snake.It will never breed but I can't wait to see what it looks like as an adult.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/rsz_dsc00189.jpg

guidofatherof5
04-24-2010, 07:06 PM
Looks like the little dwarf is going to shed. Must be growing.
Two beautiful snake.

BUSHSNAKE
04-24-2010, 07:21 PM
hey a melanistic melanistic...J/K, very cool!

charles parenteau
04-24-2010, 07:46 PM
Very nice....

Quibble
04-25-2010, 01:51 PM
Beautiful little snakes!
Just out of curiosity, why wont the dwarf ever breed?

gregmonsta
04-25-2010, 02:54 PM
Beautiful little snakes!
Just out of curiosity, why wont the dwarf ever breed?

Ethical breeding practices :rolleyes:, why deliberately promote weaker genetics?

Saying that I hope he'll continue to do well :D, nice update.

prattypus
04-25-2010, 08:50 PM
Ethical breeding practices :rolleyes:, why deliberately promote weaker genetics?

Being the runt of the litter, will that necessarily translate to the offspring? Not only in the interest in garters, but the answer may decide if I procreate or not!! :eek:

Quibble
04-25-2010, 09:23 PM
Ethical breeding practices :rolleyes:, why deliberately promote weaker genetics?

Being the runt of the litter, will that necessarily translate to the offspring? Not only in the interest in garters, but the answer may decide if I procreate or not!! :eek:

Thats what I was thinking, If it seems healthy, why not attempt a strain of Micro-thamnophis? :D
But of course its up to the breeder to weigh the odds and ultimately decide. He's pretty though.

ConcinusMan
04-26-2010, 01:05 AM
That body shape is different for a garter, that's for sure. Perhaps instead of thinking of them as dwarf, "disadvantaged" or "inferior" they might turn out to be nice pets with long lives. Let's not "sell them short" :p

Maybe they are "robust" , "sturdy" "beefy" instead. Or perhaps they did this to themselves before birth. Maybe they wanted to take the "viper impression" profession to the extreme and include body modification?

snakeman
04-26-2010, 04:00 AM
Its not the runt.There is another dwarf also.His tail is mangled and it does 'nt eat.These are not runts.Something else went wrong.

gregmonsta
04-26-2010, 07:29 AM
Its not the runt.There is another dwarf also.His tail is mangled and it does 'nt eat.These are not runts.Something else went wrong.

That's what I was thinking. Some form of developmental issue. A true runt would simply be a smaller version of the norm as opposed to what we see here. A dwarf form - possible. Is it ethical to try and experiment with it for the sake of fashion? .... not in my book.

prattypus
04-26-2010, 08:07 AM
I was just curious- not a breeder, so I am not sure the ins and outs of what would pass down the lineage.

ConcinusMan
04-26-2010, 12:27 PM
Sounds like this could be passed down. I think that whatever happened, it's possible it's on a genetic level.