Hamm

[Scaley.Jade]

I was just wondering who is planning on goin to hamm this year ?

Who's selling?
Who's buying?
What are people wanting this year?

[ConcinusMan]

I wish. Wouldn't mind seeing some of my "blue" (green?) anery concinnus put on display there. It would be great to see people's response to this new morph.

I'll have to settle for Shannon showing them off here in the U.S. Wouldn't mind getting some video would you shannon? I can't be there, but I want to.

Pretty cool huh? Shannon and myself are the only people with these so far:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll86/aSnakeLovinBabe/Snakes/Garters/5791032.jpg

Sorry, got carried away. I'm just exited about these snakes and would really like to see one end up at a world showing such as the one's coming up at Hamm. As far as I know, anery concinnus like these have never been seen by the hobby/trade until this year.

[MasSalvaje]

I wish. Wouldn't mind seeing some of my "blue" (green?) anery concinnus put on display there. It would be great to see people's response to this new morph.

I'll have to settle for Shannon showing them off here in the U.S. Wouldn't mind getting some video would you shannon? I can't be there, but I want to.

Pretty cool huh? Shannon and myself are the only people with these so far:

Sorry, got carried away. I'm just exited about these snakes and would really like to see one end up at a world showing such as the one's coming up at Hamm. As far as I know, anery concinnus like these have never been seen by the hobby/trade until this year.

Is Shannon taking those to the Hamm show in Europe or the Hamburg, PA show?

I am assuming here (and you know what that means) but I believe the original poster was refering to the Europe show.

-Thomas

[ConcinusMan]

PA. That's where she lives. She's going to display them side-by side with her high black concinnus. So, she'll have 2 distinctively different captive bred pure concinnus, (pretty wild-type and her high black) and these new anery's all together. It'll be great.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll86/aSnakeLovinBabe/Snakes/Garters/5791039.jpg

[gregmonsta]

I think Scaley.Jade is definately interested in the European show :rolleyes: and we do have Hans' concinnus male here with that trend (infact, my concinnus have a high likelihood of generating the hypoethyristic/anery trait both being offspring from that male).
I won't be going to Hamm or Houten this year I think (funds too low) but I definately enjoyed Houten snakeday last year :D.

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, but are those anery's "green". Anyway, from what shannon told me last night, that female ^^^ anery is gravid.:D Doesn't surprise me.:rolleyes: That means these anery's could be available for sale THIS fall!

[gregmonsta]

Yeah, but are those anery's "green".

.... 100% :rolleyes: .... it's why my hets have a limegreen dorsal and my male has a greenish head.
This is Hans's breeding group -

http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4073_klein.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Well, some concinnus just have a green dorsal anyway. I have about an equal chance of finding green or yellow dorsal stripes in the wild. What took you so long to speak up about already having these type of anery's anyway?

I must know, is this dominant, recessive, what? I mean how does your anery gene behave when it comes to breeding?

[gregmonsta]

Well, some concinnus just have a green dorsal anyway. I have about an equal chance of finding green or yellow dorsal stripes in the wild. What took you so long to speak up about already having these type of anery's anyway?

:rolleyes: Hans did pipe up on one of the other threads :D

I must know, is this dominant, recessive, what? I mean how does your anery gene behave when it comes to breeding?

We really don't know the details yet. Hans's male is the only one we know of (other than the anery concinnus in my old autopsy link). Hans's male and his lower red female are the parents of my pair (one year apart). It'll be at least another year before I get to test the water with these ;).

[MasSalvaje]

.... 100% :rolleyes: .... it's why my hets have a limegreen dorsal and my male has a greenish head.
This is Hans's breeding group -

http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4073_klein.jpg

That High red is sick!

-Thomas

[bkhuff1s]

That' a sick breeding group!

[ConcinusMan]

I don't know. They don't seem to be sick to me. Perfectly healthy.:rolleyes: :p


We really don't know the details yet. Hans's male is the only one we know of (other than the anery concinnus in my old autopsy link). Hans's male and his lower red female are the parents of my pair (one year apart). It'll be at least another year before I get to test the water with these ;).

Let me get this straight. First generated babies from 1 green anery+low red are anery like one of the parents. The offspring are anery. That's what I figured.

[gregmonsta]

My male has the limegreen dorsal an the red has reduced with age.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/xerxgreen.JPG

I would say that this could be a good visual het-marker.

I think this trait will prove to be recessive. Hans hasn't reported producing anery offspring from his pairing. I think it will take two 100% hets or two anerys to produce the desired offspring.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Interesting!

[ConcinusMan]

My male has the limegreen dorsal an the red has reduced with age.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/xerxgreen.JPG

I would say that this could be a good visual het-marker.

I think this trait will prove to be recessive. Hans hasn't reported producing anery offspring from his pairing. I think it will take two 100% hets or two anerys to produce the desired offspring.

If that is the case with the anery gene for "my" concinnus, then that would be extraordinary. That would mean that the entire population is made up of mostly snakes that are homozygous for the gene, and ALL the rest of the population, having highly reduced but not absent orange, are hets! Somehow I doubt that it's recessive in my case.

[MasSalvaje]

If that is the case with the anery gene for "my" concinnus, then that would be extraordinary. That would mean that the entire population is made up of mostly snakes that are homozygous for the gene, and ALL the rest of the population, having highly reduced but not absent orange, are hets! Somehow I doubt that it's recessive in my case.

That is why you have to prove them out by breeding, there is only one way to be completely sure.

-Thomas

[ConcinusMan]

Even then, in the case of a dominant trait the anery looking snakes could either be het or homozygous. Without knowing which is the case, and not knowing if the reduced orange (not absent) snakes are hets or the local norm, it can get complicated. Let's just say it will take a lot of time and generations, and it's easy to draw the wrong conclusion from the first few matings since you cannot trust your eyes to reveal what's going on genetically. I just get the distinct feeling that it's not going to be easy to prove.