What Sub species is this??

[sinisterserpents]

I seen this lil bugger and he looked so unique that I couldn't pass him up, but what is he/she (haven't sexed it yet)?

And ideas would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[Stefan-A]

Looks like a T. sirtalis to me. Where did it come from?

[sinisterserpents]

Looks like a T. sirtalis to me. Where did it come from?


Well my hubby went out today and come back home with him. He actually picked him up at a pet store. He was just labeled as a garter. I was kinda thinking he was a wandering garter, but a very reputable breeder of garter snake only said this:

"It looks to be a red sided void of any color. What state is it from ? It could also be a super clean eastern but the spots on the side are more indicative of parietalis"


So I'm stumped!

[Odie]

Hi, from Oregon, sinisterserpents :)

[sinisterserpents]

Hi, from Oregon, sinisterserpents :)


Hi and thank you so much!

[drache]

looks like T.s.sirtalis (eastern garter) and given your location, that's probably what it is
welcome to the forum

[guidofatherof5]

Nice looking snake.
Nice to have you on the forum.

[ssssnakeluvr]

looks like an eastern to me too. welcome to the forum!

[gregmonsta]

Greetings :D

[sinisterserpents]

Thanks for the welcome guys and keep the comments coming. I've got a thread up on cornsnakes also. Some seem to think its a ribbon others are saying garter, so I'm still trying to figure it out.

[Stefan-A]

Thanks for the welcome guys and keep the comments coming. I've got a thread up on cornsnakes also. Some seem to think its a ribbon others are saying garter, so I'm still trying to figure it out.
The ones that say it's a ribbon, are quite frankly wrong. Ribbons have a few distinguishing features, that aren't present in this one. It is definitely a Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis, which is the scientific name of the eastern garter snake.

[sinisterserpents]

The ones that say it's a ribbon, are quite frankly wrong. Ribbons have a few distinguishing features, that aren't present in this one. It is definitely a Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis, which is the scientific name of the eastern garter snake.


Thank you for such a definate and positive answer!! That's what I've been looking for!

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Definitely looks like an eastern to me! Nice snake :D

[Snakers]

um has any one else seen the insane white on this snake like i do or is it just me!?ALSO WELCOME TO THIS GREAT FORUM!

[sinisterserpents]

um has any one else seen the insane white on this snake like i do or is it just me!?ALSO WELCOME TO THIS GREAT FORUM!

I wouldn't call it white. Its more like a teal or blue.

[ConcinusMan]

It does look like an eastern but a parietalis is not outside the realm of possibility. Let's not forget that the parietalis "red sided" often has NO RED, often has yellowish or tan stripes, and did I mention, NO RED? Could be a red-sided (not to be confused with CA RED sided) but it looks suspiciously like an eastern ribbon snake, perhaps a sirtalis hybrid?

It wouldn't be uncommon for a pet store to mis-label "accidentally" to get around the "no native or invasive species sold as pets" laws.

I guess that's why the laws that apply to pet stores regarding native garters, expand to include any sirtalis. there are garters T. sirtalis in your state so I don't see how they could get away with calling it, and selling, their "garter snakes"

[prattypus]

I'd say no ribbon- it doesn't have the white mark in front of his eye, and his labial? scales have some black markings.

[infernalis]

http://www.thamfriends.com/mat.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

So wayne thinks its a Thamnophis sirtalis doorMattis.