1st litter of babies of 2010 for me with a big surprise!!!

[Jeff B]

this litter is from breeding the Carteret Co. Erythristic het for albino to the male Carteret Co. Erythristic het for albino. This was her second litter, but last year she only had the one live baby erythristic albino and the rest were stillborn. This year she had some jelly beans and a few deformed but 9 perfectly healthy live babies, the big surprise though was that there was a melanistic in the bunch, which means that both parents are also het for melanistic, which was not previously known, this also means that there could have been a erythristic snow produced, unfortunately didn't hit the odds in this litter maybe next year. There is also one albino in the litter and one normal that already show quite a bit of color.
Group photo below
http://gartersnakemorph.com/images/Carteretdoublehetxsamelitterphoto.jpg
The melanistic-reminds me of a black leopard, you can still see the spots under all that black.
http://gartersnakemorph.com/images/carteretmelanistic.jpg
The albino, the most colorful erythristic (should get more red/orange with age) and the melanistic-might have to hold these 3 back for awhile
http://gartersnakemorph.com/images/carteretholdbacks.jpg
here is a pic of mom
http://gartersnakemorph.com/images/20091214CarteretCoEryhetalbino.jpg

[infernalis]

Awesome results Jeff!! congrats!

[guidofatherof5]

That's great Jeff. I'll be at your door about 4am to pick them up:D

[Jeff B]

lol, the scary thing is thats almost believable coming from you Steve :D but you would have a difficult time getting me out of bed that early:eek:
Oh well now that babies are beggining to be born I can foget about getting adequate sleep anyway.

[jitami]

Jackpot :) Love the melanistic!!! Very nice surprise!!!

Omg, just went back and looked at him/her again... what a stunner... should be gorgeous as an adult, too! Sigh... someday...

[guidofatherof5]

lol, the scary thing is thats almost believable coming from you Steve :D but you would have a difficult time getting me out of bed that early:eek:
Oh well now that babies are beggining to be born I can foget about getting adequate sleep anyway.

That's a wonderful reason not to sleep. Newborn scrubs are so special.
Best of luck with your now and future scrubs.

P.S. I hadn't planned on waking you up. I have some specially trained radixes that do my bidding. Ninja radixes.:D

[MasSalvaje]

Wow! They look very good both in color as well as health and size!

Be sure to keep us posted on how they color up!

-Thomas

[ssssnakeluvr]

awesome!! looking forward to seeing how they color up!!! I really need some dang erys and flames!!!!!! still waiting on my first litter...exciting!!!

[Stefan-A]

Congratulations!

[Jeff B]

I knew one of the females had babies right when I walked into the snake room tonight, it had that birthing smell if you know what I mean, for those that do not it's kinda of a foul/sweet smell that you learn to love, but the females that I thought were most likely to have had babies didn't, then I thought I was seeing things when I looked over at that tub and saw the little heads looking at me, then I really thought I was seeing things when I first noticed the melanistic, thought maybe it just hadn't shed yet so it looked kinda dark, but then when I looked closely, I was like holy crap what just happened here, then I scratched my head and decided hmmm they must both be het for melanistic too (which I later confirmed with Scott that was indeed a possibility, but with many litters of similar breedings last year he had not hit those same odds- guess I should be glad to be lucky than good huh?), then the gears started turning that hey this pair could've produced a erythristic albino melanistic (snow), not sure if that would even be dissernable from plain albino melanistic (snow), but would be super cool if it developed an orange glow with age, of course it will probably take a much bigger litter to hit those odds..... next year maybe, it's a 1 in 16 just to hit the melanistic albino (snow) with that pairing and it's impossible to really accurately calculate true odds for a erythristic albino melanistic, of having a relatively good amount of erythristic genes inherited to show a relatively high end erythristic phenotype, but even if you rough it, a low estimate odds would be 1 in 64 to display all 3 traits. The reason I say this is because I really do not believe that erythristic trait is a single point mutation, recessive or codominant, in some ways a multi or poly gene trait can diseptively appear to have codominant-like inheritability, but the huge variablility and reducution of intensity or bleeding out in subsequent outcrossed generations suggests to me that there are multiple genes and factors involved in displaying that original wild caught erythristic phenotype, but I don't know that we have worked with it enough to really know one way or the other for sure.

[infernalis]

Oh well now that babies are beggining to be born I can foget about getting adequate sleep anyway.

Almost like human babies, except human babies keep us awake for like 20 years.....

[snakeman]

Congrats Jeff!The original wild caught schuett albino was bred to a melanistic.So any a snake in the line may carry the gene.That red one is going to be a screamer!

[drache]

congrats, Jeff
what a beautiful litter

[gregmonsta]

Congrats :D

[Mommy2many]

Absolutely beautiful litter! Congratulations.:D

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Wow that's so cool!!! congrats! I have a pair from this litter, my female just shed and the male has began courting her. Fingers crossed!!! :D

[Scott F]

Congrats Jeff ! The melanistic having a pattern is cool, usually they are jet black.

Scott

[BUSHSNAKE]

how cool is that...congrats Jeff!

[Jeff B]

yeah, i don't know if those spots on the mel will stay showing but it sure would be cool if they did, maybe the ery has something to do with it, huh?

good luck with your pair Shannon, maybe you will hit on the mel too?

[Snakers]

sweet snakes melanistic still my favorite

[bkhuff1s]

I haven't really had an interest in acquiring a melanistic until now.. and it's all YOUR fault...

[Jeff B]

Sorry about that, but you can't have this one, I'm keeping it:)
yeah this melanistic has quite a bit of pattern showing, maybe the erythristic is having something to do with it, I think this will be a REALLY sharp looking snake as an adult, but we shall see.

[ConcinusMan]

That's a wonderful reason not to sleep. Newborn scrubs are so special.
Best of luck with your now and future scrubs.

P.S. I hadn't planned on waking you up. I have some specially trained radixes that do my bidding. Ninja radixes.

they can and will sneak in silently with great steath. Instead of a "jap slap" they give you a tail slap? Instead of slinging bladed metal stars at you, they sling poo?. OK. Ninja radixes they are.


I knew one of the females had babies right when I walked into the snake room tonight, it had that birthing smell if you know what I mean, for those that do not it's kinda of a foul/sweet smell that you learn to love...

Umm... can't say that I learn to love it but it is a very distinct smell. One you never forget, like you never forget the smell of a dead human being but I digress. I can relate. I know that "birthing smell".


Sorry about that, but you can't have this one, I'm keeping it
yeah this melanistic has quite a bit of pattern showing, maybe the erythristic is having something to do with it, I think this will be a REALLY sharp looking snake as an adult, but we shall see.

And to think that I found 3 ordinoides in a 10 year period ending about 5 years ago, they looked just like that. Two of them showed a very faint hint of a stripe or pattern and one was just black. Everything was black but not deep dark shiny black. More of a flat charcoal black. I can only speculate what genes were involved in those 3 snakes but they were all found in a very confined area, all close to one another, all from the same population which still existed up until Jan 2010 and consisted mostly of brown or tan snakes with orange, red, or yellow stripes. Now it's flat as a pancake and bare. bulldozers still parked there.

There is hope I suppose. If I follow the creek upstream about 1/8 of a mile here's bulldozers parked there too but the habitat remains for now. What's left of it that is. Shame. Cryin' shame.

[bkhuff1s]

That sucks, I'd ask around the neighbors and offer to remove any snakes that have fled.. They're bound to be around somewhere...

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah... sounds good but these heavy equipment drivers stop for nothing except lunch time. Besides that, it was the dead of winter and very cold. I'm sure the snakes were just trapped alive in their dens or just "mowed over" and killed. Sad.

[guidofatherof5]

My daughter Molly came in with a radix the neightbor gave her. He said kids were hitting it with sticks.
The snake sustained no injuries that I can see. He's breeding age with a little orange on his sides.