Wayne's Garter Snakes

[Mrs N1ntndo]

I want a flame and I dont see anything other then norm easterns . We have Butlers and Ribbons here but I havent seen any of those this year. I wish I can find something that someone would want to trade. Arent Flames expensive. I know the Florida Blue( I think thats what its called) that my hubby wants are expensive to buy.

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah, flames are about $200... Sometimes under. Maybe $150-200.

[infernalis]

I had an embarrassing moment the other night..

Feeding snakes in a hurry, I broke my own rule and fed a pair of garters in their cage, I kept an eye on this and it all seemed as if it went well.

Long story short, the male had taken his pinkie up under the hide and spat it out, returned and accepted another.

So I finish up and leave the reptile room to get a jug of water to top off water bowls, upon my return the female had the male swallowed down so far that only the very tip of his tail was hanging from the corner of her mouth.

Knowing that any attempt at rescue would be a "waste of time" I just grumbled and walked away....

about 30 minutes later, My daughter came running and said the little guy was looking out from her mouth, and his tongue was flicking!!

Sure enough, the male did a complete turnaround while inside the female, and crawled back out!!!!

I separated them, observed them (off and on) for the next 24 hours, and they both ate several pinks each last night.

30 minutes in the belly of a bigger snake, and the little male is no worse off for it!!

Kicking myself in the arse, as I KNOW BETTER than to try feeding a pair of snakes in the same cage!!

Because of this act of stupidity, I almost lost the het son of the Scheutts albino to the het daughter of Scott's Ery female from Myrtle beach.

Hurrying is the best way to screw up, at anything you do.

[RedSidedSPR]

whoa, glad he's ok...

[infernalis]

whoa, glad he's ok...

He's fine, slammed 4 pinkies last night....

I had gave up hope after seeing his tail sticking out of her mouth... Figured I would probably lose them both.

With the interesting bloodlines, it would have been a real shame.

[RedSidedSPR]

No doubt. How much bigger was the female?

[infernalis]

No doubt. How much bigger was the female?

She's about 50% bigger, and they have lived together for the last 1 1/2 years now.

[RedSidedSPR]

Apparently she's tired of him.:rolleyes:

[kibakiba]

Yeah men tend to get on womens nerves at times.

[RedSidedSPR]

So naturally, they eat 'em.

[kibakiba]

Eeyup.

[ConcinusMan]

I had an embarrassing moment the other night..

Feeding snakes in a hurry, I broke my own rule and fed a pair of garters in their cage, I kept an eye on this and it all seemed as if it went well.

Long story short, the male had taken his pinkie up under the hide and spat it out, returned and accepted another.

So I finish up and leave the reptile room to get a jug of water to top off water bowls, upon my return the female had the male swallowed down so far that only the very tip of his tail was hanging from the corner of her mouth.

Knowing that any attempt at rescue would be a "waste of time" I just grumbled and walked away....

You did what? It most certainly isn't too late at that point! Now, if you're talking about a constrictor that has already killed it's meal that's one thing, but a snake can and usually does survive being swallowed. Acting quickly will usually save them. I've had snakes "barf up" live lizards and snakes hours after having swallowed them!

[d_virginiana]

Wow.. Glad he's okay. That's pretty amazing! I wonder how he did that complete turnaround without injuring either of them..

[ConcinusMan]

It's usually not difficult or injurious to get a snake to reverse course on a meal like that.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I would like to also add that if this ever happens and it's too late for the snake that has been eaten then you better make the other snake regurge or it will die too because garters can't digest other snakes and it will start to rot and the snake will also become impacted and then they become very lethargic and die.

[ConcinusMan]

I was thinking the same thing. That even if the swallowed snake was dead, that it wouldn't be good for the other snake.

[infernalis]

New pictures from last night, They are colouring up nicely and eat like little pigs.

http://www.thamnophis.co/Infernalis/Infernalis.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.co/Infernalis/Infernalis1.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.co/Infernalis/Infernalis2.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.co/Infernalis/Infernalis3.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Sweeeeet.

[RedSidedSPR]

Holy crap!! Those are awesome!! The head is so bright! Love infernalis!!

How's the attitudes?

I want 'em.:p

[infernalis]

Holy crap!! Those are awesome!! The head is so bright! Love Infernalis!!

How's the attitudes?

I want 'em.:p

A little feisty, typical Infernalis behaviour.

[RedSidedSPR]

Perfect.

[brain]

Are these scrubs CB?
I would love to have 2.1 it’s as close to tetrataenia as I will ever get.

[ConcinusMan]

Won't be long now and I'll be seeing infernalis and tetrataenia in the wild. I imagine they will still be active in Oct. I'll take lots of pics and maybe even have some WC infernalis available. I know where to find the neon blue phase.

[RedSidedSPR]

Sweet! CA has some awesome species!

[drache]

I must say - those look very nice

[infernalis]

Are these scrubs CB?
I would love to have 2.1 it’s as close to tetrataenia as I will ever get.

Yes, from Scott.

Baby easterns feeding last night...

http://www.storeria.com/sep11/baby.jpg

http://www.storeria.com/sep11/babies1.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Cute.:D

[hjelte]

Lovely species! Great looking babies you´ve got there.

[guidofatherof5]

Sweet little scrubs.;)

[jitami]

Love the infernalis, but those little easterns are pretty darned cute, too :)

[infernalis]

If you look, the copper red is developing nicely in most of them.

The patterning is wild too.

[RedSidedSPR]

I noticed that! They've got a real cool look.

[Mrs N1ntndo]

those are beautiful little babies. I lovem

[infernalis]

Jadis was born almost a year ago when I bred a het for Anery with my orange nose Christmas albino.

The only thing dark on this snake at all is her black eyes with red pupils. The only real white is the stripe down her back, I love the ghost pattern where the black spots would have been.

She is also the "alpha" of her litter, I kept all the babies and Jadis has grown the most & the fastest. She also has the biggest appetite, she's nearly ready for whole pinks, after that the real growth spurt starts.

http://www.storeria.com/10911/Jadis1.jpg

http://www.storeria.com/10911/Jadis2.jpg

http://www.storeria.com/10911/Jadis3.jpg

http://www.storeria.com/10911/Jadis4.jpg

http://www.storeria.com/10911/Jadis5.jpg

[infernalis]

One to add.......

http://www.storeria.com/10911/Jadis8.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice Wayne.
No camouflage there.

[RedSidedSPR]

Nope.

Beautiful snake

[ConcinusMan]

Cool looking snake Wayne

[katach]

:eek: Oh my! She is gorgeous!

[infernalis]

As of today all of my snakes over 2 years old are now eating rat pinks.. Yay!!

And this morning, one of my albino red sideds tried to eat my finger. Cheeeky little bugger.

[infernalis]

http://www.thamnophis.us/thams/hottub.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/thams/smile.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Awesome and awesome.

[RedSidedSPR]

Oh, is that the injured one? He looks comfortable! Lookin' good.

[katach]

Lookin' good Wayne!

[infernalis]

Thanks all.....

[infernalis]

This morning one of my red sided girls passed a bunch of Jellybeans .

And to think that one single cell added (sperm) that these gelatinous masses would have became baby snakes..

http://www.reptard.info/minge/beans.jpg

http://www.reptard.info/minge/beans2.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

What a shame. Hope she's doing OK.

[infernalis]

What a shame. Hope she's doing OK.

She's doing fine..

You should see my jellybean thread on ssnakess, it's getting hilarious.

[BUSHSNAKE]

make sure they are all out Wayne, dont want any retention!

[infernalis]

make sure they are all out Wayne, dont want any retention!

Should I gently feel her up?? and if any are still inside her, do I gently push them toward her tail?

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah sure, why not. Feel her up. It's obvious the male dropped the ball on that job.:p

[infernalis]

Feeding time.....

http://www.danceswithreptiles.com/OCTDK/mel1.jpg

http://www.danceswithreptiles.com/OCTDK/mel2.jpg

http://www.danceswithreptiles.com/OCTDK/mel.jpg

http://www.danceswithreptiles.com/OCTDK/snow.jpg

http://www.danceswithreptiles.com/OCTDK/snow2.jpg

[infernalis]

"Mutt" tries to eat his plastic feed box..
http://www.thamnophis.us/mutt/mutt1.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/mutt/mutt2.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/mutt/mutt3.jpg

This tongue shot is interesting..

http://www.thamnophis.us/mutt/mutt4.jpg

[infernalis]

A couple new shots of my girl "Midnight", she's a doll unless she's hungry.

Handle fish, worms, rodent or just eat supper and forget to wash your hands, it's going to bleed.

http://www.thamnophis.us/easterns/midnight.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/easterns/midnight2.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

A plethora of beautiful snakes.

[infernalis]

http://www.thamnophis.us/clicks/lovers.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/clicks/snowtrout.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/clicks/tee.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/clicks/radix1.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/clicks/radix2.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/clicks/radix3.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Sweet.

[infernalis]

That heart shaped pose at the top, I had to photo that, I looked in on them and found them just like you see.

[MoJo]

Wayne,

This is probably a dumb question but is that last snake a red sided? I think Scott was calling them golden or something like that. I owned the original male for a short time and sold him back to Scott because he was nasty and my female died.

[infernalis]

Wayne,

This is probably a dumb question but is that last snake a red sided? I think Scott was calling them golden or something like that. I owned the original male for a short time and sold him back to Scott because he was nasty and my female died.

No she's not a red sided. I do have a "golden" red sided female and she's super mellow. Just threw jellybeans last week.

The last three pictures are of a Radix I got from Scott that has had a nasty attitude since she was born. She's a special snake to me, a real feisty keep your hands off of me gal.

I have to give her a pinkie to chew on while I take her out for cage cleanings. if not she draws blood, she even pulled a ropeadope on me, and I got nailed picking her up by the tail while she bluffed my other hand and drew my attention away. Smart girl.

[MoJo]

I guess it was the mean as .... look that looked familiar to me!

[infernalis]

Gave away one of my rat colonies today and reduced the other two down to 1/4 what they were.

http://www.thamnophis.us/snakers/tanks.jpg

The bottom tank under the garter tank is empty now. My Blacknecks from 2010 have grown enough that they need a bigger enclosure, so I'm washing it down and replicating the tank above it for them as a permanent home..

[guidofatherof5]

Looks good Wayne.

[BUSHSNAKE]

those woodenbox cages are cool Wayne

[infernalis]

those woodenbox cages are cool Wayne


Just slapped together scraps, but Thanks!

[PINJOHN]

Wayne can you confirm what type is the dark snake in the picture

http://www.thamnophis.us/clicks/lovers.jpg

i suspect parietalis but not sure ?

[infernalis]

Thamnophis Radix...

Unfortunatly, the Albino passed away.. At least he sired an exact clone.

http://www.thamnophis.us/Nov25/radixface.jpg

[snakehill]

Beautiful Radix!!!;)

[BUSHSNAKE]

somehow i missed the new pics...very nice Wayne

[infernalis]

More..... Enjoy.

Thamnophis cyrtopsis ocellatus

http://www.ssnakess.info/herps/Blackneck.jpg

Thamnophis Elegans Vagrans - Melanistic

http://www.ssnakess.info/herps/IceT.jpg

Thamnophis Sirtalis Infernalis http://www.ssnakess.info/herps/infernalis.jpg

Thamnophis Sirtalis Sirtalis - Male runt, 3 years old

http://www.ssnakess.info/herps/peekin2.jpg

Central American Garter snake

http://www.ssnakess.info/herps/scotti.jpg

Thamnophis Sirtalis Sirtalis - "Sunshine" recently found injured in back yard

http://www.ssnakess.info/herps/sunny.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

All great.
Awesome scotti.

[EasternGirl]

Lovely snakes...love the colors in the sirtalis infernalis...a real beauty...they all are!

[PINJOHN]

nice to see sunshine again, keep em coming

[MoJo]

Gorgeous snakes! If that is one of the blacknecks from me then s/he looks just like Tiger. I hope s/he does not become as nasty as Tiger! She is a big girl and has been a wonderful breeder. She was the first snake that ever bit me. I was so shocked!

[infernalis]

Gorgeous snakes! If that is one of the blacknecks from me then s/he looks just like Tiger. I hope s/he does not become as nasty as Tiger! She is a big girl and has been a wonderful breeder. She was the first snake that ever bit me. I was so shocked!

Jo the ONLY black necks I keep all are from you, and She is a little spaz at times. She seems to get more defensive as she grows.

They are all such vibrant snakes, and a sheer joy to have around.

On the plus side, I have a major thing for nasty snakes, Attitude makes me want them more.

I have a black racer here that I raised from a hatchling, he is the most "hands off" snake I have ever owned, and I love every minute of it.

[RedSidedSPR]

More..... Enjoy.

Thamnophis cyrtopsis ocellatus

http://www.ssnakess.info/herps/Blackneck.jpg

Thamnophis Elegans Vagrans - Melanistic

http://www.ssnakess.info/herps/IceT.jpg


:eek:

[infernalis]

Mojo being "square"... sorry about the poor lighting, I did not want her to move. After "lights out" so she was sleeping up there.

http://www.thamfriends.com/pic/square.jpg

[katach]

That's cute!

[EasternGirl]

That is so cute!!

[brain]

More..... Enjoy.

Thamnophis cyrtopsis ocellatus

Looking good Mine are still on fish and about the size and thickenss of thoses fat school penicls i used to have as a kid.

Thamnophis Sirtalis Infernalis http://www.ssnakess.info/herps/infernalis.jpg

But this one is a killer. Next year I really am going to put forth the effort to get 2.1 of these. I just love them.

[EasternGirl]

Now Wayne...I have always thought that the California Red-Sided Garters are the prettiest of all the garters.....but I have heard that their temperaments can be pretty nasty...is that true?

[infernalis]

Yes, I love it.

http://www.thamnophis.us/cherry/fernalis.jpg

[EasternGirl]

Lol....great pic! I had a California Red-Sided as the background on my computer for a while.

[ConcinusMan]

Now Wayne...I have always thought that the California Red-Sided Garters are the prettiest of all the garters.....but I have heard that their temperaments can be pretty nasty...is that true?

No, not at all.:rolleyes: They are quite charming compared to an angry badger.


http://www.californiaherps.com/movies/tsinfernalisvs1108.mov

[infernalis]

No, not at all.:rolleyes: They are quite charming compared to an angry badger.


http://www.californiaherps.com/movies/tsinfernalisvs1108.mov


Death to quick time!!!

VideoLAN - Official page for VLC media player, the Open Source video framework! (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/)

Cool clip BTW.

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, I don't use the quicktime plugin either. It's a buggy PITA.

[BUSHSNAKE]

no, not at all.:rolleyes: They are quite charming compared to an angry badger.


http://www.californiaherps.com/movies/tsinfernalisvs1108.mov
lmao

[ConcinusMan]

Of course, my only experience with them is catching WC. Never tried to keep one. Their response is always the same as the one in the video. Doesn't matter if they're only 8 inches long, they're still ferocious and they aren't bluffing like most garters. Also, they don't seem give up the behavior when they realize it isn't working. If they aren't near water, they'll curl up and strike at you rather than flee. It's funny.

[infernalis]

Virtually every Infernalis I have ever had or worked with was nippy and musked a lot.

[kibakiba]

I love VLC.

[BUSHSNAKE]

infernalis was one of the first species i kept when i first got into garters, nice ones from Casey Lasik, made me realise beauty isnt everything

[ConcinusMan]

By comparison, I can't remember ever being bitten by a concinnus in the field. They usually just squirm and musk momentarily, then calm right down. Occasionally one will open it's mouth / bluff strike, but even that's rare. The only bites I get from concinnus' are captive ones that mistake my hand for food. LoL.

[kibakiba]

Exception being Snap. She bites a lot.

[ConcinusMan]

No, even snap was no exception. She never bit me, and never even acted like she wanted to.:D In fact, when choosing a 3 striper to send to you, I purposely picked the one that was the calmest when I handled her. She just hates you.:p

[kibakiba]

She loves me. I give her extra fish and pinky bits when they're available, and we snuggle up in my favourite blanket together... She just has a twisted way of showing her affections. :D

[EasternGirl]

Easterns will actually strike at you...I have had them strike at me outside and have had Cee Cee do it a few times...most of the time it's just a fake strike...the only time she ever bit me was when she was being a pig and wanted more food. Tonight she got mad when I switched her to her new home and actually lunged across the enclosure at me...it was kind of funny. Most of the times they are just skiddish though and trying to act tough.

[katach]

Never had mine strike at me. Blade smelled really bad from musking when we got her, but a little warm water bath fixed that right up. Our girls are very sweet. Even Cotton, our feisty one has never tried to bite. She accidentally bumped my finger when taking some food once and backed off real fast and looked at me like "I am so sorry, are you ok?". It was sweet.

[infernalis]

some new pics.....

Garter love.. He tried, but she did not let him.

http://www.thamnophis.us/thamn/hookup.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/thamn/hookup2.jpg

"Sunshine" the yellow garter I found in November with the nasty tail injury..

http://www.thamnophis.us/thamn/sunny1.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/thamn/sunny2.jpg

I like his cream white chin. Compliments the yellow nicely.

http://www.thamnophis.us/thamn/sunny3.jpg

And this is the red/orange snake the guy up the road was going to chop up with a shovel, he called me to come remove her... she was so pretty I just decided to keep her. Capturing her true colour is difficult, she has a copper red hue with a dark orangish yellow dorsal stripe.

http://www.thamnophis.us/thamn/orange.jpg

[kibakiba]

Lovely snakies, Wayne!

[angrygamer]

Mojo being "square"... sorry about the poor lighting, I did not want her to move. After "lights out" so she was sleeping up there.

http://www.thamfriends.com/pic/square.jpg

Wow, that's a nice snake!

[chris-uk]

The blackneck is an awesome looking snake.

Great to see Sunshine chowing down and looking healthy after that nasty tail injury.

[guidofatherof5]

Good looking snakes Wayne. Love seeing Sunshine doing so well.

[EasternGirl]

Great pics! Love the one of Sunshine with the pinky in his mouth.

[infernalis]

Just a quick update...

Midnight (The really dark eastern) passed, as did one of the juvenile blacknecks.

Everyone else is doing great, My "Bad attitude" radix is just as nasty as ever, the Natrix are growing like weeds, both are taking cut up trout with gusto.

Sunshine is a real sweetheart that I will always keep right here next to my computer, and I moved "Spot" from the top of the TV stand to make room for the flat screen that will not fit in the stand.

Other than that it's all the same, pinkies go in, poo comes out.

[Invisible Snake]

Aww im sorry to hear that those 2 passed away, do you have an idea of what happened to them?

[EasternGirl]

So sorry to hear of the losses, Wayne. Glad to hear that the others are doing well. Thanks for the update.

[infernalis]

Aww im sorry to hear that those 2 passed away, do you have an idea of what happened to them?

The eastern "Midnight" was an older girl, so I really didn't give it any thought.

The Blackneck was really unexpected, that snake was only 18 months old.

[EasternGirl]

That sucks Wayne...I'm so sorry.

[kibakiba]

Awww... Sorry to hear it, Wayne.

[Stefan-A]

Sorry to hear it.

[guidofatherof5]

Sorry to hear about your losses.
I have a training program for your radix :D

[Invisible Snake]

Hey Wayne how do you make your goulash? Do you use an appliance? ie. blender, etc

[infernalis]

Hey Wayne how do you make your goulash? Do you use an appliance? ie. blender, etc

I just chop it all up with a knife.

[ConcinusMan]

ooohh... high tech.:p

[infernalis]

Had to share this... My 2011 male Infernalis whom has stubbornly refused to eat anything but live fish ate 2 pinkies today!! Unscented at that. Hopefully he will continue this trend.

[guidofatherof5]

Had to share this... My 2011 male Infernalis whom has stubbornly refused to eat anything but live fish ate 2 pinkies today!! Unscented at that. Hopefully he will continue this trend.


Good for him and you.

[infernalis]

He's been a stubborn feeder since day one. Maybe he will start to actually grow for me now.

[chris-uk]

I'll take this as confirmation that individuals of any species can be fussy... I had infernalis pegged as ravenous feeders.

[infernalis]

I'll take this as confirmation that individuals of any species can be fussy... I had infernalis pegged as ravenous feeders.

Not this one, he would eat 1 or 2 small guppies, go off feed for DAYS, eat 1 or 2 small guppies, repeat..