Melanistic x Albino?

[scorpion0151]

Can you breed a melanistic with an albino? and what would you get? I was just thinking about it and thought I'd ask the experts :)

[gregmonsta]

If they are the same species/subspecies then why not. If you search the threads you'll find a recent post of an albino strain with a melanistic trait appearing to come through.

[gregmonsta]

Just checked .... you wont find any melanistic checkereds by the way ... so you'd have to start a different project if you want to go down this route.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

there are albino melanistic easterns out there. They are really different looking. I will probably get one soon just for the genetic power they have, but i find them highly unattractive... but to each his own!

[ssssnakeluvr]

yes, you can breed a melanistic and an albino...all babies will be het for both traits. the resulting offspring can be bred together to produce albinos and melanistics. Tom Dickinson (snakeman) has an albino melanistic....has both traits... he has pics somewhere....

[scorpion0151]

I was just curious about what you'd come out with, I'm just a beginner in breeding so I don't think I'm ready for that kind of genetics yet :)

[ConcinusMan]

yes, you can breed a melanistic and an albino...all babies will be het for both traits. the resulting offspring can be bred together to produce albinos and melanistics. Tom Dickinson (snakeman) has an albino melanistic....has both traits... he has pics somewhere....

Yeah, I saw that too. Weird looking snake. It was both amel and mel at the same time. Both genes competing. I didn't think it was possible, but he set me straight.

[snakeman]

I was just curious about what you'd come out with, I'm just a beginner in breeding so I don't think I'm ready for that kind of genetics yet :)
You would come out with normal looking babies that carry the genetics for both morphs.You breed those babies together and you will get albinos, melanistics,normals, and a 1 in 16 chance of a snow.

[infernalis]

The melanistic / albino easterns look like this...

http://www.thamfriends.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=69&pictureid=1350

[mustang]

iv heard of silver checkereds (im thinkn granite tho) u can breed them (granite X albino)and see what pops out....thatd be cool and breed the ones with wierder patterns....my checker has blocks on it that are like crosses until after the 3rd or 4th row then it goes everywhere....also for strips behindhis head...

[ConcinusMan]

iv heard of silver checkereds (im thinkn granite tho) u can breed them (granite X albino)and see what pops out....thatd be cool and breed the ones with wierder patterns....my checker has blocks on it that are like crosses until after the 3rd or 4th row then it goes everywhere....also for strips behindhis head...

"what pops out" is normal looking double hets if not mistaken. If you bred one of those babies to a granite I would think you would get some granites/ double hets. If you bred one to an albino you could get granites and albinos. Right back where you started.

Still, it would be useful to have some double het breeders so you can choose what to produce depending on what you breed them too.

[mustang]

"what pops out" is normal looking double hets if not mistaken. If you bred one of those babies to a granite I would think you would get some granites/hets. If you bred one to an albino you could get granites and albinos. Right back where you started.
no combo? :( ...that stinks...what about manipulating patterns...i know the stripe breaks on few areas can you breed a stripless through genetics (selective breeding) also as previouly stated , can you manipulate patterns.

[ConcinusMan]

Well think about it. The "granite" trait shows it's difference in the dark areas. If there's no melanin, what do you get? Of course, I'm probably totally wrong.

This site claims to breed albino granites: http://checkeredgarter.com/Breeders.aspx

[mustang]

Well think about it. The "granite" trait shows it's difference in the dark areas. If there's no melanin, what do you get?...im takn ap bio next year... i took pre ap last year...i will know soo much more next year...untill then please quench my thirst for selective knowledge....i dont know what do you get?

[ConcinusMan]

As I can see from other sites, granites also dont have the neat, touching squares but instead have little flecks of black that usually don't touch so its a pattern too. A pattern will mix with albino. I was wrong, you can have a snake show both traits.

[mustang]

As I can see from other sites, granites also dont have the neat, touching squares but instead have little flecks of black that usually don't touch so its a pattern too. A pattern will mix with albino. I was wrong, you can have a snake show both traits.
cool....oh and ur breeding "red checkereds? just saw on different thread...

[ConcinusMan]

I'm breeding nothing although I might get lucky and end up with a batch of baby anerythristic concinnus later this summer.

I think maybe you're thinking of steve and his red radixes. Not checkereds.

[mustang]

I'm breeding nothing although I might get lucky and end up with a batch of baby anerythristic concinnus later this summer.

I think maybe you're thinking of steve and his red radixes. Not checkereds.
o than it was someone else...hey can u get a blueX albino pudget sound garter thats albino lookn but with blue stripes?

[ConcinusMan]

Hmm... not sure but I'm thinking that the blue in a puget requires normal melanin production. There is no melanin in an albino (there are exceptions). I do know that anerythristic concinnus (can't produce normal amounts of red, if any) produce normal black (melanin) and still retain their blue throat pigment.

Anyway, as of now, there are no albino pugets that I know of and not all pugets are blue. Many look very much like a concinnus or look like a normal blue puget without the blue.

[mustang]

hmm no albino?...i wonder if there should be a genetics thread with the charts (the one that has 4 boxes that show dominate and recessive traits that i should know but i forgot the name of) for specific species and morphs...or for just any species...i dont know enough to start one yet...thinkn bout writing one down on a posterboard....ittl take a while tho...selective breeding can create all sorts of fun new colorations but i dont think thers a chart for that

[ConcinusMan]

hmm no albino?...i wonder if there should be a genetics thread with the charts (the one that has 4 boxes that show dominate and recessive traits that i should know but i forgot the name of) for specific species and morphs...or for just any species...i dont know enough to start one yet...thinkn bout writing one down on a posterboard....ittl take a while tho...selective breeding can create all sorts of fun new colorations but i dont think thers a chart for that

Oh, forget the charts. This page really helped me to understand better. Try this page, it's very good.

http://www.geneticswizard.com/

Also, nobody can predict the outcome of crossbreeding or selective breeding. Still, nature has a mechanism in place. Some people are trying to breed concinnus without the lateral spots but normal coloration from the neck up. Some have come very close. I think this is because some wild concinnus are already close to that goal. I've even had a few litters where I saw a few almost lacking lateral red spots. Selective breeding could produce all black bodied concinnus. If natural selection cannot do it, perhaps artificial selection can. But that cannot be predicted.

Some of the questions you have about recessive traits can be answered by visiting the link above. bookmark it, keep it handy. I use it often.

Ummm.. I must retract. It seems as though the wizard I liked so much has changed. I don't like it one bit. Confusing and broken IMHO. I have contacted the people responsible and asked them to go back to the old version. It was easy to understand. Now it sucks.

[BUSHSNAKE]

one of the best books on genetics and morphs is The Corn Snake Morph Guide by Charles Pritzel once you pick it up you cant put it down, great info! even tho its about corns you can apply the information to anything

[mustang]

well im hopn to condense all this to one kick assets poster....thanks for refrences im allready lookn at em