Thamnophis s.s.flame * melanistic

[nexus]

I have bred these together. Now I hope to get something like a melanistic flame. Had anybody breed them? Or is there a picture available...

http://www.rear-fanged.de/images/abzugeben/flames/1.jpg

rgds Nexus

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

what stinks about a melanistic flame is that you won't be able to tell it's a flame, because melanistics are all black and the black obscures all of their other colors. It's cool to have to the two genes together though, so you could produce flames and melanistics in the same litter. Any melanistics you get though you would have to label as "possibly flame" because you won't be able to tell if it is one or not. The only way to tell would be to breed that melanistic to a normal, and you will get either all normals het melanistic, or flames and normals het melanistic. if you get flames then you know that melanistic is also a flame. you just won't be able to see it is all!

[nexus]

Some melanistics like the one I bred, have a "white" zone under the head. I think this part can ged red, or I hope so...

RGDS Nexus

[nexus]

Some melanistics like the one I bred, have a "white" zone under the head. I think this part can ged red, or I hope so...


RGDS Nexus

[crzy_kevo]

oh yes the white necke on the melanistic coulld turn red if the flame ur breeding is red up to that point that would be interesting to see

[nexus]

Wait 2 or 3 years... then we´ll know

[sirtalis01]

they will look like eatern Indigo snakes on a durf norph lol

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

the only problem with that is even flames have white chins... i just went in and looked at my high end male, he is a solid red snake, flaming red face and all but his chin is perfectly uniform white.... so I don't think if on a melanistic you would be able to see anything different! I would maybe ask Scott, he has produced flames het melanistic and possible some melanistics from that line. My awesome male is het anerythristic.

[zooplan]

I agree to Nexus,
most of the "real" Flames that I´ve seen have a red or redisch chin,
and nearly all melanistic ´sirtalis have a white chin and most of them
a litle white stripe at the boarder of side and vent or wihte spots
This is a bit blury but i hope you can imagine what´s meant:
http://zooplan.net/images/melsirtalis.jpg

[snakeman]

The white on the chin will dominate the red.Part of the melanistic gene is the the white chin.Sometimes the white can go a quarter of the way down the body.The red won't show thru it.

[zooplan]

I agree that the homozygous melanistic gene is domtinating the normal pattern, but the flame-gene is doing the same at all.
If you breed melanistic and amelanistic together, you get an intermeriary appearance. If you breed flame to leucistic you´ll get an intermediary too.
So how do you know that melanistic will dominate flame?

[nexus]

I don´t agree, but I will see what in future will happen. Amelanistic Flames work well,too. I think there is a good chance to get some nice result. Maybe there must be some more generations to get better results.

Nexus

[snakeman]

It has already been done.And the melanistic overides the albino to a degree.You can clearly see the melanistic pattern along with the dominant white chin.There were 3 generations of flames x melanistic for sale on kingsnake. none ever came out with red chins.

[nexus]

Thank you...