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Herps 4 Life
09-05-2009, 04:11 AM
Greetings to all!!!
Hi, my name is Alessio(but just call me Al :)),I'm writing from Veracruz,Mexico,but I'm italian(ok,but don't start imaginating here the classic stereotipical italian with the weird accent and all,:Dlol), and I've just joined the forum! I always had a remarcable passion for herps since I was 4,have been keeping a variety of invertebrates & amphibians over the years(I'm own a grammostola rosea rigth now too),and i have been into tropical fish hobby for like 8 years. But most important,I'm also new to garters!:D Recently I was having a walk in the city, when in a petstore suddently I saw an announcment saying "Serpientes de Agua" -water snakes- and saw 2 tiny snakes with a familir yellow and black striping. Garters!(curiously,i've been looking for them for quite a few years,WITHOUT SEEING ONE o_O ) The poor things were held simply in a plastic jar filled with water! I felt my coscience moved then. So, a couple of days later, I went to buy one(I'd loved to bring them both home,but after some discussion, I had the permission only for one snake,sadly). I love it! ^^ I've been keeping him for two weeks now, but I still have some concerns(yes,I had done all the research before,but even then,problems seem to find their way as always) :
1.still not shure about the species(the closer ones I have founded in some photos were forms of sirtalis,but also spotted similar radixes..I'm so confused:confused:) 2.WORSE, still not got it to eat! I'm pretty shure he didn't eat anything in the store, and it's starting to get skinny!!! ): Help!
some details: I'm temporarly stabulating him in a 30x19x16 ehm.. well sorry, don't know the term, but.. a transparent plastic box, with escape-proof holes drilled in the lid, a hidebox(not used very much), water dish and paper towel substrate. No heatpad or heating bulb, since normally room temperature is already well above 30c, I don't want to cook it!(yes,pretty hot all year around here) The temperature drops to about 26-27c by nigth. I had started the taming "process" from after 5 days that I had it; and I'm amazed for how quickly he's calming down,with notable daily progress! I couldn't find yet earthworms, and didn't saw a single pinky in petstores (!?), so all I'm offering are guppyes,alive and dead. With no response. I'm considering to start force-feeding him tomorrow, I don't want to see him loosing more weight and energies, but I'm really afraid of hurting him, they are so fragile! also tried with crickets,read that sometimes works, but noting. What should I do, I'm already very attached to the little guy, I don't want to see it going down like this!!!!
Thank you very much for any response! -and sorry for the large (huge) post! p.s. some pics:
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the photos are a week and a half old

Stefan-A
09-05-2009, 04:29 AM
Welcome aboard. :)

snakeman
09-05-2009, 04:36 AM
You have me stumped on those.I am guessing it is one of the mexican species.

drache
09-05-2009, 05:05 AM
welcome to the forum, Al
what a pretty garter - how long have you had him now? they do take a while to eat sometimes when they're settling in - two-three weeks is not unusual
don't try crickets or other bugs - they don't eat them
guppies are good; trout or salmon strips are good; you say you can't find earthworms, so that's out; pinkies would be good if you could get them; some people try meat strips, like beef heart; one of our members in Alaska feeds caribou strips
sometimes it's also a matter of how they'll take their food - some of mine eat from tongs whereas others prefer that I leave them alone with the food
sometimes it help to put the snake in a small ventilated container with the food item and leave them undisturbed for a few hours
good luck - I hope he eats for you soon

Mommy2many
09-05-2009, 05:56 AM
Welcome!

Try the salmon or trout pieces. Also, maybe the chicken heart or beef heart may work. Guppies (live) in very little water, to allow for flopping, should entice your snake to eat. Leave him alone in the container with the guppies.

Good luck!:D

guidofatherof5
09-05-2009, 09:05 AM
Nice to have you on the forum.
Beautiful snake. Best of luck.

Didymus20X6
09-05-2009, 09:47 AM
Here's a method recommended by Steve, and which I found worked well for me when trying to get one of my wild caughts to eat:

Get some live guppies. Put the snake in a box with nothing but the guppies (no water). The snake should be stimulated by the flopping of the fish that he'll immediately start eating.

ssssnakeluvr
09-05-2009, 10:47 AM
looked in my garter snake book.....thamnophis pulchrilatus, yellow throated garter snake. very nice snake!!!! may take a week or 2 for the snake to adjust to captivity. just keep some guppies in a water dish and give him time. oh, and welcome to the forum!!

aSnakeLovinBabe
09-05-2009, 02:17 PM
I am officially jealous! that is a NEAT garter!

mustang
09-05-2009, 02:53 PM
cool!...in a plastic jar...the other poor thing might die if its a jar

Herps 4 Life
09-05-2009, 02:54 PM
Thanks to every body! regarding the guppies y have tryed with shallow water,without water, on the tip of my finger but..nothing!:( guess I'll have to wait more as you say then.. it's that what scares me is that he's REALLY losing weigth,and somewere over the half of his body I've noticed like a little bulge over the back, could it be a manifestation of the calcium lack??
-ehm..sorry if the photos are a bit messed up,but you know, was my first post and still have to exactly figure out how things work..eheh :D

Snakers
09-05-2009, 07:39 PM
idk if you tried this yet but try to make a minnow trap or buy one and set it in some water near you but if you can't i'd buy nightcrawlers from a local store if you cant im sorry i couldn't help

Herps 4 Life
09-05-2009, 10:03 PM
Hi!!! I wanted to report an update to all!
HURRAAY, IT STARTED TO EAT!!!!!!! :D
Just like 3 hours ago,I offered him a live guppy. It was already alerted by the opening of the enclosure,so, with slow movements I dropped the fish just a couple of cm in front of him. He started to smell it a few times with the tongue,and continued staring at it for some time, like thinking "so... now what am I supposed to do with THIS??" but then got closer and started touching it with the nose and Ta-Daah, no more guppy! I'm so happy!!! ^^ Then he stared to look around for more! but I only fed him one for today, don't want to charge too much his stomach.
Oh and Dan,I checked, and it seems indeed that I have a Pulchrilatus! Thank you!
And Rhea, I bougth him 2 weeks ago:)
I have writed another reply,but it dindn't show up, guess I have done something wrong :p
Thanks to every body, I love this community, everybody is so friendly and professional, plus, it is incredibly useful!

indigoman
09-06-2009, 06:51 AM
Real glad to hear about your success keep us posted how the little guy is doing.

ssssnakeluvr
09-06-2009, 09:37 AM
glad he started eating for you. sometimes it may take a couple weeks for a snake to adapt to captivity and start eating....just takes time and patience!

jitami
09-06-2009, 04:28 PM
Welcome :) What a gorgeous baby you have! I'm glad he's started eating for you! Little ones like this rarely over eat. You can leave a dish with guppies swimming in water in his tank for him and he'll eat what he needs and leave the rest for later :)

drache
09-06-2009, 08:20 PM
Congrats, Al
your garter just needed some time

guidofatherof5
09-06-2009, 09:49 PM
Great news. From the looks of that snake more than 1 guppy isn't going to up set anything. A few shuold be just fine.
Congrats.

Snakers
09-07-2009, 08:45 AM
i know how happy you feel when ur new companion eats its like a burst of joy:D;)

mustang
09-07-2009, 02:28 PM
Hi!!! I wanted to report an update to all!
HURRAAY, IT STARTED TO EAT!!!!!!! :D
Just like 3 hours ago,I offered him a live guppy. It was already alerted by the opening of the enclosure,so, with slow movements I dropped the fish just a couple of cm in front of him. He started to smell it a few times with the tongue,and continued staring at it for some time, like thinking "so... now what am I supposed to do with THIS??" but then got closer and started touching it with the nose and Ta-Daah, no more guppy! I'm so happy!!! ^^ Then he stared to look around for more! but I only fed him one for today, don't want to charge too much his stomach.
Oh and Dan,I checked, and it seems indeed that I have a Pulchrilatus! Thank you!
And Rhea, I bougth him 2 weeks ago:)
I have writed another reply,but it dindn't show up, guess I have done something wrong :p
Thanks to every body, I love this community, everybody is so friendly and professional, plus, it is incredibly useful!
now u gotta get em on a pinky diet...until then let em eat guppies but the challange is finding a b1 capsul so u can spray a little bit of b1 on it so it dosnt get thimine defficency which is fatal...

drache
09-07-2009, 05:23 PM
guppies are fine - no thiaminase