Time to seperate?

[gregmonsta]

Our girl Sky just shed her skin :rolleyes: ... she's about 3foot and hovering around 250g .... I'm thinking of moving her into a baby-proof box at the end of the week :o ... what do you guys think? ... she's definately gained weight since she got here (although I didn't have my scales then).

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Sky3.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Sky.JPG

[lestat]

That sounds like a good idea, just to be on the safe side.

[drache]

yeah - I concur

[gregmonsta]

Will move her tomorrow then :D and will cross my fingers :D

[dashnu]

Good looking and good SIZE :)

[guidofatherof5]

When did she eat last? Mine(radixes) have always stopped eating about a week before giving birth. Moving her now is a good idea since birthing is imminent.
Great looking snake. Do you have a photo of the male?

[Snaky]

That's also a good indication with me, when they stop eating it's usually not that long anymore and you can seperate them :)

[gregmonsta]

She's due a feed today so I'll see wether she's willing. She's sharing the female tank with the other Florida blue girly at the moment but I don't think it'll do any harm moving Sky to the large contico for a while :).

Spazz has been difficult to photograph but here's the last shot I took of the father
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Spazz2.JPG

[guidofatherof5]

Good looking young man.
Is this his first group to be fathered?

[gregmonsta]

First in my care :D ... they produced two litters for the previous owners last year ;)

[Snake lover 3-25]

awesome!!! hope she gives you lots!!!! meadow was 250 at 32" and gave birth to 26 beautiful babies:):)

[gregmonsta]

She ate today :) ... still going to move her :D

[gregmonsta]

In the past 4 days she has gained 20grams :D .... still undecided about our WC gulf coast ribbon ... she has gained weight since she came here (but for her this could definately be proper feeding) and has gained 9grams in the last 5 days. I've been sticking to recording their weights the day before a feed.

[guidofatherof5]

20 grams in four days!
Greg, It's fishing worms not fishing weights:D

[gregmonsta]

Worked out the averages lol ... not quite 20 but a minimum of 12g in the last 7 days.

[gregmonsta]

Ok ... so far Sky is still eating like a trooper .... but Panama has been thinking twice about eating for the last two feeds ... very reluctant ... she was tongue flicking .... seemed interested but only took 1 pinky today .... could be a sign ;)

[gregmonsta]

Sky just refused food ..... Sky NEVER refuses food .....

[Stefan-A]

Time to duck and cover, Greg. :D

[gregmonsta]

Aye, aye sir!!! :rolleyes: hatches closed and temporary shelter built at the other end of the hall :D

[guidofatherof5]

Fingers crossed, hoping she'll pop, soon.:)

[gregmonsta]

Her weight yesterday was 265g .... so that's 15g gained since I started this thread :D

[Sputnik]

Do you have a reserve list, Greg? :D

[gregmonsta]

I do indeed :D ... James has first pick of the males and I have a few locals ready and waiting ;) happy to add you to the list if you're interested.

[gregmonsta]

She's been very restless today :) ... she's made a total mess of her box :D.

[MoJo]

Every time I see this thread come up again I open it anxious to see a photo of the babies! This is killing me! :p

[gregmonsta]

Me too lol :)

[guidofatherof5]

Greg,

This threads got me feeling like the expectant father.
I can only imagine what you're going through.
Getting any sleep, buddy.:D
Our prayers are with you.
Think I'll take my Itouch to work with me today, to keep up on the lastest news.

[gregmonsta]

[quote=guidofatherof5;109312]
Getting any sleep, buddy.:D
quote]

Just ... :rolleyes: been trying to leave her alone as much as possible. She's not stopped moving around and I just phoned home and nothing's changed (which is good in a way, cause I want to see it). :)

[count dewclaw]

Can't wait to see the babies! Hope all goes well.

[drache]

fingers crossed for a smooth delivery

[Sputnik]

I've always dreamt of having a blue snake. :)

[gregmonsta]

They are that :) let me know when they pop .. I'm sure James wont mind bringing back an extra when he comes to get his :D

No babies yet ... mind you could take up a week after ceasing to feed ... she's still not happy to stay in one spot for long :D

[Snake lover 3-25]

god it's taking FOREVER!!!!! ha ha fingers crossed for a big healthy litter!

[Sputnik]

Woohoo, exciting. James, my garter taxi, lol. I'm hoping to see him in July when Sabine and Gijs bring over a couple of my new additions.
Any idea of prices, Greg? If you could message me, then I know how hard I have to save up. :)

[gregmonsta]

Still restless :rolleyes: .... still waiting :o

[Stefan-A]

Still restless :rolleyes: .... still waiting :o
Convince yourself that she's not due for at least another two weeks and I guarantee you'll have a batch in the morning. ;)

[gregmonsta]

lol.. can give it a go ... don't know if my brain will accept that line of reasoning tho ;)

[Stefan-A]

lol.. can give it a go ... don't know if my brain will accept that line of reasoning tho ;)
It worked for me. ;)

[Sputnik]

So, how many did she have? :p

[guidofatherof5]

Greg, Greg, you need to focas. Now PUUUUSH. Again, real hard, PUUUUUUSH.:D

[gregmonsta]

Her or me .... :rolleyes: this could lead to an accident :o ...

@ Esther ... she had 263 ... all female :p

[gregmonsta]

2nd refused feed for the blue monster :rolleyes: ... Panama didn't eat again either but she's in shed now.

[Sputnik]

@ Esther ... she had 263 ... all female :p

Shove them back in and tell her to try again! :D

[guidofatherof5]

Greg,

I can't believe I didn't think of this before.
You need to get a hold of some Pitocin. :D (Being a father of 5 I know all about this stuff)
Problem Solved! No thanks necessary.

[gregmonsta]

Rofl .... I cant' find the reset switch ... which scale is that under again?

[gregmonsta]

Greg,

I can't believe I didn't think of this before.
You need to get a hold of some Pitocin. :D (Being a father of 5 I know all about this stuff)
Problem Solved! No thanks necessary.

Runs off to hospital with balaclava and necessary tools .... will one bottle be enough :confused:

[guidofatherof5]

Runs off to hospital with balaclava and necessary tools .... will one bottle be enough :confused:

One will be more than enough:D

[gregmonsta]

When the judge calls you may have to explain my condition in great detail :rolleyes:

[gregmonsta]

Oh I'm going loopy!!!! When will the waiting end?!?!? :o

Bah ... well I might as well post her recent schedule while I'm waiting :rolleyes:

SKY weight feeding - F(fluff) P(pinkie) S(salmon)
03/05/2009 255
04/05/2009 247 SHED
05/05/2009 2F 1P S
07/05/2009 272
08/05/2009 269
09/05/2009 2F 1P S
11/05/2009 262
12/05/2009 259
13/05/2009 2F 3P S
15/05/2009 272
16/05/2009 265
restless 17/05/2009 Refused feed
restless 18/05/2009
still restless 21/05/2009 Refused feed
et encore 22/05/2009
all over the place 23/05/2009

[gregmonsta]

Another feed refused last night .... she did look as if she wanted it .... half opened her mouth and stretched towards it .... and then she suddenly decided that it was a bad idea.

[guidofatherof5]

Greg,

The problem is she's punishing you for something you've done and we have to suffer for it. I'm sure I speak for many of the forum members when I say everytime I see a new post to this thread from you, my heart rate jumps. I can't say I've ever anticipated the birth of someone elses snakes quite as much as yours.
Please make amends with her so she can have these babies.

You're kill'in us here!:D

[gregmonsta]

Rofl ... but I've been nothing but nice to her :rolleyes: ... I can't help it .... my obsessions are justified as a first timer to snakey birth rituals :p

[Sputnik]

What Steve said! :) I'm sitting in the middle of Legoland, surrounded by little yellow men with no knee joints and keep checking back if there's any news. Expectant father syndrome, Greg. Serious condition!

[gregmonsta]

There is one concellatory fact .... tomorrow will be three weeks since her shed .... according to the world famous three week rule :rolleyes: it HAS to be very, VEEEEEEEEERY soon :D

[drache]

just to briefly mention it
when Sammy had her pre-delivery shed last year, it was another three weeks, and then she had another shed, and gave birth a couple of days or so after that

[gregmonsta]

just to briefly mention it
when Sammy had her pre-delivery shed last year, it was another three weeks, and then she had another shed, and gave birth a couple of days or so after that

Don't tell me that!!! lol :rolleyes: actually, cheers for that :D saves some extra worries just in case ;)

[drache]

yeah, truly
it was the longest three weeks of gestation ever

[gregmonsta]

.... Ahem .... still off food .... still nothing :rolleyes: ... she's teasing me .... I swear it!!!

[Sputnik]

STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD, GREG! I got really excited and then... lol.

[gregmonsta]

:rolleyes: I must have some place to vent my frustration :p ... damn it Sky ..... POP!!!!

[Sputnik]

There you go again! :p

But he's right, Sky! POP!

When my children were born, I went for a walk through the fields and along the river the day before their due dates... Worked three times! So grab a leash and take that snake for a walk! Could try a curry,too, or a warm bath. :D

[guidofatherof5]

:rolleyes: I must have some place to vent my frustration :p ... damn it Sky ..... POP!!!!

Right, right. Blame it on the snake, Greg

[gregmonsta]

Fifth refused feed .... still restless .... how much longer can this go on for?!?!?!? She's playing with me!!!

[Stefan-A]

She probably already gave birth, sold the babies herself and stuffed herself with substrate to fool you.

[gregmonsta]

:eek: She would do such a thing?!?!?! .... She's more devious than I gave her credit for :rolleyes:

[Sputnik]

I'm so sorry, Greg, I don't know what went wrong. Must be losing my touch. Or more plausible explanation is Stefan's suggestion. :mad:

[gregmonsta]

Thought I'd post some new pics of the troublesome beast .... :rolleyes: still no sign of babies :o

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/preggoo.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/preggo1.JPG

[Sputnik]

Oh, Greg, that snake isn 't gravid! She's just obese from scoffing pinky doughnuts behind the sofa when you're not looking and having too many ocean burgers with extra mayo from the drive through. :D

[gregmonsta]

Oh, Greg, that snake isn 't gravid! She's just obese from scoffing pinky doughnuts behind the sofa when you're not looking and having too many ocean burgers with extra mayo from the drive through. :D

:rolleyes: This may just explain her 21 day fast :D

[count dewclaw]

I hope you are ready for lots of babies! I've had wild caught easterns give birth to 30-36 babies when they didn't look that big.....Unless, of course she is just obese as Sputnik says. :rolleyes:

[guidofatherof5]

Thought I'd post some new pics of the troublesome beast .... :rolleyes: still no sign of babies :o



http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/preggo1.JPG

Greg, are you sure she didn't swallow a small summer sausage:D She's beautiful and I can't wait to see the 60 babies she has. I hope you're ready.

[gregmonsta]

Just about lol :D ... six small contico tubs ready and waiting :rolleyes: ... and the large one will be free by then too ;)

[guidofatherof5]

I love that white dorsal. I have a few radixes from my girl BigBig(R.I.P.) that have the same color.
Great looking girl.
Would love to me her someday.
Maybe I'll plan a retirement trip to your neck on the woods:rolleyes: Do you think I can get a hundred radixes through security.:D

[gregmonsta]

We could give it a damn good shot ;) ... you'd be most welcome :D

[gregmonsta]

She ate a small meal today :rolleyes: .... lets hope it has a baby enema effect :D

[count dewclaw]

Rats! I thought this was going to be a baby announcement! :rolleyes:

[guidofatherof5]

Greg,
It's time to tell the truth. We're being Punk'd aren't we.:D

[gregmonsta]

Hope not :rolleyes: ... coz I'd be getting punked too ... Fingers crossed the moment shall arrive :D

[Snaky]

I was gone for 2 weeks and you're still keeping the suspens!:D
Let's hope she'll give birth soon ;)

[Spankenstyne]

Gah... Just followed this one now and expected after all that, to be able to see the end. Thought I was getting off easy, but nooo


btw beautiful snakes, gotta love the blue

[guidofatherof5]

If she waits much longer to have those babies they'll be adults when they come out.:eek:

[Jack Neary]

Greg....
Tell her we can't wait much longer....
I look at your post several times a day to see if she popped yet?
Take her out for a long walk or something....!
Let us all know when she delivers!!!
She is a real beauty!!!!
Good Luck!
Jack

[gregmonsta]

Lol .... I wish I could post a baby message ... she's driving me crazy ... she hasn't eaten other than a small meal (1 pinkie and two bits of Salmon) for just over a month now and she shed 2weeks prior to that. Her weight is still steady at 260g.She is definately heavy towards the back end and feels solid.
I've been surprised by her fast - most cases I read about they deliver 2-3weeks after going off food ... I can imagine that these will be big babies ... I did read in my Jon Coote garter manual that they can go off food in their second month, in which case I just may have been a little premature in posting .... but I'm allowed to :) it is my first time after all :D

[guidofatherof5]

We're right here with you.

[charles parenteau]

I read all the thread I cant wait to see her babies !!!I understand how you feel!You are very enthusiast ,tanks to share this story with us ,I probably do the same!

[gregmonsta]

Had some strange behaviour yesterday, she ate 1fluff and 5 slithers of salmon. She started to twitch, headed to the waterbowl and submerged herself for 5 minutes (constantly moving in circles). On leaving the waterbowl she lifted her tail and gaped her cloaca and pushed four or five times with no result (she did this twice in the space of 3 minutes). There was intermittent twitching for about 7 minutes after that.
She then returned to normal and has been in hiding ever since.
:D .... I think we're getting closer to a result :D

[reptileparadise]

Sounds pretty good Greg!
Twitching every now and then often happens a few days before birth!

[drache]

sounds like some pre-labour contractions
very promising

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

omg greg you must have been like OMG HERE COMES A BABY!!!!! And then nothing comes out.... i know how that feels. One time though, I was watching one of my adult female and all the sudden she lefted her tail to poo.... next thing you know... there was a baby snake!!! It was so cool to see her just nonchalantly pop out a baby!!!

[Jack Neary]

l'll bet she delivers sometime overnight!
Please let us know...
This is so exciting.......!

[Jack Neary]

Shannon,
What do you think?

[finaldecember]

Ah jeez. I just read the entire thread, expecting to see baby snake pictures when I got to the end! :[

[gregmonsta]

Ah jeez. I just read the entire thread, expecting to see baby snake pictures when I got to the end! :[

I do that too :rolleyes: ... hehe :o ... maybe tonight? ... she hasn't had a poo yet .... I know that much :rolleyes:

[gregmonsta]

OK ... she's now in shed :rolleyes: ... so maybe I was premature ... or she's behaving like Rhea's aforementioned red-sided ..... :o

[jitami]

Ah jeez. I just read the entire thread, expecting to see baby snake pictures when I got to the end! :[

I got my hopes up, too, since Greg was last to post :)

[charles parenteau]

Greg its time to show pictures of your snake,after her shed ! Just to have a better idea...tanks

[gregmonsta]

Will do, of course, if she lets me :rolleyes: ... I'm starting to think she came from another planet.

[charles parenteau]

hehe Nice!

[guidofatherof5]

Will do, of course, if she lets me :rolleyes: ... I'm starting to think she came from another planet.

If she lets you!
We see who's in charge.:D

I got 5 kids and I don't think all on them together took this long to be born.:D

[gregmonsta]

Here's some currently in shed piccies :D

Mrs Grumps

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/sheddygirl.JPG

Whole body ...

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/fullsheddygirl.JPG

[charles parenteau]

Oh well she's getting bigger!! nice. in few days...dont care about it.
I just seperate 2 supposely gravid female ,they both stop feeding 2 days ago.

[gregmonsta]

Fingers crossed for those two Charles ;)

[drache]

I think it'll be soon now, Greg

[gregmonsta]

:rolleyes: I do hope so ... :D

[gregmonsta]

Just thought I'd add - she weighed in at 278g today .... the last weigh-in on the 9th was at 257g ... 21g gained in 19 days, only three feeds during that time. She refused the last feed going into shed so the 278g today is her 'empty' weight :D

[guidofatherof5]

She has to be about done cooking those babies.
Good things come to those that wait.:)

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

how long has it been!?!?! let me tell you... 139 days was a looooooongggg wait for my water snakes!! :D

[charles parenteau]

139 days Oh my god Its a long long wait!!

[gregmonsta]

After shed piccies :)

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/aftashed.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/afta2.JPG

[jitami]

She's huge! And totally gorgeous! I can't believe she's still keeping you waiting!

[charles parenteau]

Very nice indeed! Looks gravid.

[drache]

I hate to tell you this, Greg, but I think she will shed again in three weeks and then . . . .

[gregmonsta]

I hate to tell you this, Greg, but I think she will shed again in three weeks and then . . . .

Cheeky!!!! :rolleyes: ... I think I would actually loose my mind :o

[Snake lover 3-25]

she's huge!! and very pretty:)

[jamromhem]

NOOOO I got to the end and no pics.. I am in the same boat as the rest of you know... and strangly enough it makes me want to find a male to keep my female company even more now for next year :P

Ahh how mayn days since the last post??? where are the updates?

[GarterManDan]

I think that thats a great idea, btw beautiful snake!

cheers, Dan

[gregmonsta]

Well :rolleyes: ... it's been a couple of days since her last feed ... :o still waiting :p

[jamromhem]

ugh she is being a pain isn't she? is she trying to pop out breading ready offspring?

[drache]

you know, Greg - I really wasn't joking about going another shed cycle
you might want to keep yourself occupied with one of your other hobbies in the meantime
and don't complain about my cheek either - I'm not the snake after all
if snakes could laugh . . .

[gregmonsta]

:) ... I could always start a gravid thread for Suzy .... that'll keep us going for a coouple of years :rolleyes:

[drache]

I meant a more of a short term project
Sky won't take another couple of years - just another shed cycle

[jamromhem]

gah it is horrible waiting even when you haven't actually seen the lil girl having the babies :P

[gregmonsta]

I meant a more of a short term project
Sky won't take another couple of years - just another shed cycle

:confused: :o :( :mad: :p :D

[reptileparadise]

Maybe you should start squeezing the female Greg. Gently squeeze the babies out...
pop....
pop....
pop....

[gregmonsta]

:rolleyes: This has been considered :o

[gregmonsta]

:rolleyes: oh well .... I have a restless snake that hisses at her food again :D

[guidofatherof5]

:rolleyes: oh well .... I have a restless snake that hisses at her food again :D


Are sure it's her hissing and not the babies inside:D


We're hanging in there with you and Sky.

[gregmonsta]

She weighed in at 288g today ... another 10g in the last 2 weeks. Still waiting ... still not used to waiting :rolleyes: ... so 38g in total gained since the start of this thread.

[count dewclaw]

We're still not used to waiting, either!

[gregmonsta]

We're still not used to waiting, either!

:D at least this comforts me :rolleyes:

[jitami]

That's it Greg, I'm not opening this thread ever again :p:p:p Better make a new one when the babies FINALLY make their grand appearance :D

[gregmonsta]

She ate again a few days ago :o don't think this is going to happen anymore ... she could just be restless with the fact she's living in a box ... I'm thinking of putting her back into general population ... she's been seperated for three months .... should she go back :confused:

[guidofatherof5]

Your call buddy. If you think she's past any birthing date then it's probably okay. If not, she seems to be doing fine by herself.

You are the one I'm concerned about now.:D

[gregmonsta]

:rolleyes: lol ... no need for concearn :D .... :o I blame myself for getting too excited ... but three months alone :rolleyes: .... maybe she's just growing into one of those really large 'Florida blue' eastern types.

[gregmonsta]

.... She hit 295g three days ago ...

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/skystretch.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/skyoverhead.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/skybod.JPG

:o ... no babies yet.

[reptileparadise]

Holy cow....

[guidofatherof5]

She sure looks gravid.
Take her on car ride down a bumpy road.:D that might get her going.

[gregmonsta]

Holy cow....

:rolleyes: She may have eaten one of those.

[reptileparadise]

Just one? :D

[gregmonsta]

Just one? :D

Ok, ok ... one and a half .... :o but she was giving me those 'puppy dog' eyes :rolleyes:

[Mommy2many]

Ice Cream! Lots of it. Oh, sorry, that's human females. Nightcrawlers? My Dr. had a suggestion that worked everytime and I have 5 but I don't know if the snake would be interested....:D:p:D:p:D

[gregmonsta]

:rolleyes: sounds ominous ....

[Mommy2many]

Not really, it's more in the lines on how the snake got in that condition in the first place:D

[gregmonsta]

... :rolleyes: funnily enough I did stick the male in a couple of weeks ago ... nothing happened ... he was interested .... and she was ignorant :rolleyes:

[gregmonsta]

.... :rolleyes: 310g .... also ... begging for food ... almost got bit today ...

[MasSalvaje]

Wow Greg, I fill for you buddy. I just hope you can make it as long as she does!

-Thomas

[Mommy2many]

Sometimes we want dinner & nothin else! Sorry about your snake though!

[Mommy2many]

As for interests, I'm not saying the human female was interested either. Just a means to an end.:D