Natrix natrix

[drache]

Daniel's contact Dan from Florida got back with me.
He is planning to import some Natrix natrix in spring and will keep me posted.
From what I understand from Daniel - the greater the quantity of snakes imported, the lower the per-snake-price.

Here are some links to photos of the subspecies Daniel says are most readily available:

Natrix natrix scutata
http://www.dragonsroost.dk/Snoge/img/natrix-5.jpg

Natrix natrix helvetica
Stock Photo of Grass Snake (Natrix natrix helvetica) - Search Photographs Pictures Images and Clip Art Photos - D31-271513, D31-271513.jpg (http://www.fotosearch.com/comp.asp?sss=yes&pp_sku=AGE016&image_name=d31-271513&q=natrix+natrix+helvetica&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-us:official&client=firefox-a&refurl=http://www.google.com/search)

Natrix natrix persa
Natrix natrix - Wikimedia Commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Natrix_natrix)

There are some other Natrix natrix on that last site

Daniel says that Natrix natrix natrix requires more paperwork and suggested N.n. scutata instead, which is very similar (a little more interesting looking actually)

Rhea

[adamanteus]

Rhea,

I'm not familiar with N. n. scutata, but N. n. helvetica are lovely snakes to keep, and to look at. I would warmly recommend them if you have the choice.

I always thought N. persa had full species status. You learn something new every day!

[Thamnophis]

It seems strange that people in te USA are allowed to keep Natrix natrix, while we (in the Netherlands) are not allowed to do this because it is a native species.
The same thing as with T. sirtalis tetrataenia, but than the other way around. :rolleyes:

Maybe I am just jealous :D

If you like Natrix natrix, take a look at these pictures I made in the Czech Republic.

Flickr: Photos from Xengama01 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/czechfauna/)

[adamanteus]

Good pics!! I like the Sand Lizard (Lacerta agilis) photos, we have them in the UK, but although I have searched for years I have never seen one in the field.

[Thamnophis]

In the Netherlands they are also not easy to find. But when you know where they live, it seems not impossible.
In the Czech republic, on our camping for example, they were present in great numbers.

[adamanteus]

I know where in the UK they are supposed to be...but as I say I have searched many times for many years but never found one. I should go to the Czech Republic!

[Thamnophis]

Great country to go to and is cheap too.

[drache]

nice pictures
that looks like Natrix natrix scutata
Natrix natrix natrix doesn't have those markings at the head/neck.
Is a snowworm kind of like a blindsnake (Blindschlange)?
After all the perusing I did earlier Natrix natrix persa is visually my favourite

[adamanteus]

Yes, the Slow Worm is a legless lizard (Anguis fragilis). In the UK we call N. persa the "Viperine Snake", someone once decided it was trying to mimic the Adder. Can't see it myself!

[drache]

Isn't that one of the ones that play dead when threatened?

[Stefan-A]

nice pictures
that looks like Natrix natrix scutata
Natrix natrix natrix doesn't have those markings at the head/neck.
Which markings?

[jewel-dragons]

It seems strange that people in te USA are allowed to keep Natrix natrix, while we (in the Netherlands) are not allowed to do this because it is a native species.
The same thing as with T. sirtalis tetrataenia, but than the other way around. :rolleyes:

Maybe I am just jealous :D

If you like Natrix natrix, take a look at these pictures I made in the Czech Republic.

Flickr: Photos from Xengama01 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/czechfauna/)
but we have the tetrataenia's :D

[drache]

The Natrix natrix natrix doesn't have those half-moon-shaped light-coloured markings at the back of the head beginning of the neck. It's just plain dark coloured on top and light coloured underneath.
It was Daniel who explained to me thet the N.n.scutata looks almost exactly the same, except for those markings.
When chasing down pictures on the internet, I found that often Natrix natrix subspecies are not identified, so it took a while. Apparently Natrix nartrix natrix is less common than the other sub-species, which may be why they require extra paperwork to obtain.
I am not certain which sub-species Dan is planning to bring in.
I sent off an email to him with enough questions to keep him busy all weekend.

[Thamnophis]

Natrix natrix plays dead indeed when disturbed. But they do not do this all the tome.

http://gallery.zoom.nl/public_images/938/468/9H8tn8.jpg

[mikm]

Wow ... what a great pic !!

thanks for sharing ;)
marian

[Stefan-A]

The Natrix natrix natrix doesn't have those half-moon-shaped light-coloured markings at the back of the head beginning of the neck. It's just plain dark coloured on top and light coloured underneath.
It was Daniel who explained to me thet the N.n.scutata looks almost exactly the same, except for those markings.
When chasing down pictures on the internet, I found that often Natrix natrix subspecies are not identified, so it took a while. Apparently Natrix nartrix natrix is less common than the other sub-species, which may be why they require extra paperwork to obtain.
I am not certain which sub-species Dan is planning to bring in.
I sent off an email to him with enough questions to keep him busy all weekend.
Do you mean those white, yellow, orange or sometimes red blotches behind the head? :confused: It's sometimes missing, but I've never seen it in the wild. I mean, the ONLY Natrix natrix subspecies I've had the pleasure to see in the wild are precisely N. n. natrix.


Thamnophis, that's a great picture. :D Makes me wish it was summer already. ;)

[Thamnophis]

Wow ... what a great pic !!

thanks for sharing ;)
marian

That is not a picture I made. I loaned it form the internet. :p

[Stefan-A]

It's still a great picture. ;)

[Thamnophis]

And... just to make you jealous :p

I work in a Reptile Zoo and we have a Natrix natrix there.
We are a shelter for mistreated and dumped and seized reptiels, amphibians and invertebrated animals.

A few yaers ago we got a Natrix natrix. Do not know where it came from, but it is a kind of spastic and its body is badly developed. Ther are a lot of strange twists in his body.
Eventhough it does well. It cannot be placed back in the wild because of its handicap and because we do not know from where it came.
So... I can keep a Natrix natrix legally

Three pictures of the beast...

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/natrix_natrix_01.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/natrix_natrix_02.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/natrix_natrix_03.jpg

[schlangenland]

Hi there,
I almost never saw Natrix n. natrix in the wild (of Germany;-), though it is the most common species of snakes in our country, but I see them every day in our terrarium where we keep 2,2 (it's allowed to keep c.b. here). I heard, it's also not allowed to keep them in Belgium). N.n.natrix have these (moonlike) blotches in the neck. HAve a look on the photos on our website: www.schlangenland.de - Natrix natrix natrix (http://www.schlangenland.de/natrix_natrix_natrix.htm)
See you.
Thomas:-)

[Stefan-A]

It's the only subspecies we have.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/thamnoph/photos/Image15.jpg

Not the best picture and much of the head is obscured. Also not the most common coloring in the area where I found this one, most are metallic grey with black markings of varying size and shape, from small barely noticable dots to a sharp, almost checkered pattern.

[adamanteus]

Isn't that one of the ones that play dead when threatened?

I believe they all do that Reah, though I've only seen it a couple of times (in N. n. helvetica) and I've caught a lot.

[ssssnakeluvr]

SWEET!!!! I want all of them!!!!!! :D

[abcat1993]

Sounds easy to capture, just scare it and pick it up.

PS: I want it.

[drache]

that's always my problem as well - I want them all