my new Th.s.similis

[Isisnofret]

Finally!

My new Thamnophis sirtalis similis has come to hand! I´m so lucky :)
She is from Austria and born summer last year. Her name is "Nedjemet" (ancient Egyptian for Sweety)
Now, she move into her quarantine box, 50 x 30 x 20 cm.

Greetings,
Annabell

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=204

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=205

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=206

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=207

[Stefan-A]

Very nice, but are you certain that it really is a T. sirtalis similis?

[Isisnofret]

As parentage, she is a similis. The father is from Scott Felzer and the mother from Daniel Grübner. You think, it´s not a similis? But? A Th.s.sirtalis Florida Blue?

[adamanteus]

It looks very like a T.s.sirtalis 'Florida Blue' to me.

[guidofatherof5]

Very beautiful snake. Enjoy.

[drache]

looks more like a florida blue sirtalis to me also, and i've had both, so i have some idea of what i'm looking at
she's really lovely - congrats

[gregmonsta]

I'd say Florida blue sirtalis too :) nice snakes :D

[Snake lover 3-25]

very pretty! love the name great pictures!D

[ssssnakeluvr]

gotta agree....looks like a florida blue, t sirtalis sirtalis.... nice looking snake tho!!

[prattypus]

Hmmm, looks like Mojito I got from Scott last year. I thought I got a similis. Hmmm.

[Isisnofret]

I´m very confused. :( Could it being, that the blue color come later? What are the differences between Florida blue and similis? It´s difficult for me.

[Stefan-A]

I´m very confused. :( Could it being, that the blue color come later? What are the differences between Florida blue and similis? It´s difficult for me.
http://www.thamnophis.com/caresheets/index.php?title=Blue_Garters_from_Florida

Actually, I'm having second thoughts. It could definitely be a T. sirtalis similis.

[snakeman]

do you have pics of the male and female that produced it?That would clear it up.They look the same as babies but way different as adults.Even a lot of popular snake books have them confused.

[drache]

it really isn't entirely clear-cut, when I go back and look closely at the photos, but at first glance I was pretty sure
are there intergrades of the two?

[gregmonsta]

The yellow of the dorsal stripe still has me saying sirtalis ... remember similis is known as the 'blue-striped' garter snake and the checkered area should appear a more 'uniform' black.

[prattypus]

I saw one that scott produced in 07 that was really rich in blues, but I've seen some that are just tinted.

[reptileparadise]

Its a beauty, thats for sure :)

Some more on Florida blue VS similis
http://www.thamnophis.com/archive/articles/artic13.htm

[lestat]

Its a very nice looking snake either way. I hope it gets cleared up as to what speices it is and you enjoy it what ever the out come.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I'm gonna have to say that to me it looks like that's a thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis "florida blue" A similis has a more uniformly colored area in between the stripes, the stripe is really yellow on that specimen, and the head shape and coloring are a bit off. It's still a beautiful animal!!

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

taking a second look im not so sure... it could be a similis... but it doesnt look like any similis I have seen before! It has really bronze eyes, which is characteristic of the eastern, but the similis I have all had silvery gray eyes. I'm having a hard time with this one!

[Scott F]

Hey all,

Heard about this post and thought I may be able to shed some light. I took pics of the female and 2 males I've bred to her the past 4 years (forgive the quality, my photography skills have much to be desired as you can see lol). These were all acquired directly from Mark Malfatti, who worked w/ the best lineage of similis (IMO). Unfortunately I don't have any pure Florida easterns, if I did I could do a side by side shot and the difference is easily discernable. The similis are more sold colored (w/ no checkering) and the blue color does vary quite a bit, even within the same broods. Florida easterns typically have varied checkered patterns and their colors vary as well. Some are lime green, green, and some are moderate to high blue (sometimes bluer than similis). I had a neon blue Florida eastern about 10 years ago that was absolultey gorgeous.

Scott

[Scott F]

Here's a pic from my site of a typical Florida eastern garter. Hope this helps.

Scott

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[Isisnofret]

Many thanks for the answers! :)

That is the Page of breeder, there i have the snake: Thamnophis Austria - Strumpfbandnattern in Österreich (http://www.thamnophis.at)

The father, you can see at "Tierbestand" --> "Thamnophis Männchen" --> the second snake.

The mother, you can see at "Tierbestand" --> "Thamnophis Weibchen" --> the secons snake.

For all snakes is available a data card, you can see at "verfügbar".

Hope, it helps!

[reptileparadise]

This confuses things I guess...The website says the male is `het amelinistic´...I never knew any amelanistic simillis where found....Amelanistic easterns okay...but simillis...??????

This could (...not sure...it COULD) mean that your animal isnt as pure as the breeder states. But then again, I'm not into morphs of gartersnakes

[Isisnofret]

Oh, oh, it´s very confused. :( Someone has an idea?

[gregmonsta]

I still say sirtalis. :rolleyes: ... looks just like mine.

[MasSalvaje]

I still say sirtalis. :rolleyes: ... looks just like mine.

That is interesting, I thought ( In the very first picture at least) it looked just like my male similis. The subsequent pics are hard to tell but do look more like sirtalis to me.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/Massalvaje/DSCN6487.jpg

Here is my male similis.

-Thomas

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

here is my male similis

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll86/aSnakeLovinBabe/Snakes/Garters/5742191.jpg

[Scott F]

Hey all,

Both of those snakes pictured were produced from the female I posted a pic of. One can see how as adults they vary quite a bit, Shannon's seems to be much bluer.

Scott

[Isisnofret]

@ Scott: Do you mean, that she could to be a similis?

She is circa 30 cm long. I read, the blue color come with size and age?!

Here is another photo without flashlight, maybe it help?

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=211

I think, she doesn´t look like a real "Florida blue". But she could be a hybrid between "Florida blue" and similis at former generation?!
What do you think?

[Scott F]

It looks like a young similis to me, if you compare her to the ones I have there are white fleckings throughout the body, which is indicative of similis fleckings. She has some growing to do, and she should color up moreso.

Scott

[MasSalvaje]

Only time can tell....... I guess a DNA test could tell as well........ and probably a few other things I have failed to mention.

-Thomas

[Isisnofret]

Many thanks for the help! :)
I will be patient and waiting for color. ;)

And by the way, sorry for my bad englisch! :o

Greetings,
Annabell

[gregmonsta]

Dein Englisch ist doch recht gut :D

[florian]

Hey Annabell,
beautiful snake anyway. Did you read the article in the "DRACO-Strumpfbandnattern" about the differences of some similar looking species? Pages 55 to 59 are dealing with florida blue and similis. And on similis.info (http://www.similis.info) there is a comparison between this two species too (button: Über similis).
Maybe this is helping you a little bit.
Gruß Florian

[Isisnofret]

Da lob ich mir Leo.org und Google Sprachtools :D In der Schule hatte ich immer eine vier in Englisch.

@ florian: Yes, I have seen the article. Thanks :) But it´s still difficult for me. :o

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

@ Scott: Do you mean, that she could to be a similis?

She is circa 30 cm long. I read, the blue color come with size and age?!

Here is another photo without flashlight, maybe it help?

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=211

I think, she doesn´t look like a real "Florida blue". But she could be a hybrid between "Florida blue" and similis at former generation?!
What do you think?

that picture makes a world's difference to me!!!! That definitely looks like a similis now! you can see it all in the head!

[drache]

I agree - on this photo she looks totally like a similis

[Isisnofret]

Ooooh, I hate my camera -.-´ Apparent flashlight isn´t favorably ever.