"male" flame

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Okay so i got my male flame Crimson probed this weekend and it turns out hes a girl (you were right Shannon). So now i have 2 females and no male, does anyone have a male flame or high red eastern they are willing to sell? Or possibly trade for pugets in the spring. Also Crimsonita (new name) shed and is now 20" its amazing because her sister who i just got from Tina is only 11"

[MasSalvaje]

It is never fun to find out that you did not get what you thought you were getting, but it is better IMO to find out that a male is really a female than the other way around.

I wish I could help, good luck finding what you are looking for!

-Thomas

[Zephyr]

Tehe.
I have a male. :)

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Okay so i got my male flame Crimson probed this weekend and it turns out hes a girl (you were right Shannon)

::gasp::

that made me feel that much more confident in my sex identification skills... haha!
My male is smokin, but sadly he's not up for grabs... he's not showing interest in girls yet so, maybe next year!!!

[mtolypetsupply]

Sorry to hear it, Reed. I agree, though, better to get a female from supposed male than the other way 'round.

I'm hearing a lot of "mis-sexing" lately. A friend of mine got a jungle jag carpet python, She turned out to be a he. Another has a boa, and it was supposed to be a he, well, she's now named Oscarina instead of Oscar. We're really hoping that the BP we just got really is a female, as she was reported to be.

I know it's the best way possible, but I hate the idea of probing unless you have someone who REALLY knows what he or she is doing, and really cares about the critter. I've heard that damage can be done during the process. Besides, how do you explain to a snake "just hold still, this will only take a minute"?

[garterchick]

well, i wish i had some of those snake-sexing skills. all i have is a guy at the local reptile store who popped them for me when they were little, obviously not accurately. it appears that i now sold several snakes as the "wrong" gender and i'm sorry, but i don't know how to fix this. when i look at the snakes ( with the exception of some adults ) i just don't see the differences. maybe with the next clutch i can enlist someone who lives close enough to teach me "popping", or else i just need to list my babies as 0.0.14 and refuse to make any attempt to give people what they want since that just causes disappointments.

[guidofatherof5]

Don't be so hard on yourself. We all make mistakes. Some of these are hard to tell. Males with a small package. Too young, not developed yet. It just takes time. I'm still learning. Every once in awhile I get fooled by one.
Be patient.
The forum is develpoing a thread, with known sexed snakes. It's still in the beginning phase but here's the link. Hope it helps.
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/breeding/5069-sexing-pics.html

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Tina, definitely do not be hard on yourself about this. We all make mistakes, even the most experienced snake sexers still mess up sometimes. I am sure eventually I will mess up too.... Heck, I only just taught myself (carefully) how to pop baby garters last season. Once you get it down, it's really easy to do. I also recently learned how to probe snakes and now own a set of probes, but remember, baby garters are far to small for probes. I was amazed at daytona how quickly and easily Scott Felzer pops a baby garter. I'm not quite THAT fast yet :D

[charles parenteau]

I soon learn how pops garter but I also learn that many female have simili spur that look like male .Sometime even the better popper can mistaken male and female...only experienced keeper should try this method because that can easily hurts the snake...

[mtolypetsupply]

Tina, remember that anyone can be fooled. When you attempt to "pop sex" the snakes, you can only be truly sure about males. If hemipenes come out, it's definitely a male. If nothing comes out, it could be a female, or there's a chance a male just didn't pop for you.

It's not hard to pop a baby. I just read about it and tried it. I read to "roll your thumb in kind of a pushing motion below the cloaca, in the direction from tip of tail toward head." I didn't force the issue, and when it pops, believe me, you know a boy.

Rather than list them all as unknown, why not get a count of known males, and the rest list as PROBABLE females, sexed by popping?

[drache]

yeah - definitely do not be hard on yourself

[garterchick]

Rather than list them all as unknown, why not get a count of known males, and the rest list as PROBABLE females, sexed by popping?

that's basically what i did, it's not the females that are the issue but the "popped males" that turn out to be females.

[guidofatherof5]

that's basically what i did, it's not the females that are the issue but the "popped males" that turn out to be females.

I don't understand. If a snake has been popped and the hemipenis has been seen. How is that later a female? If a female is popped then there is no hemipenis to be seen. I'm just trying to understand how a popped male can be confused with a female.

I have never popped a snake. Can there be confusion as to what you are looking at? From what I've read, somethng either pops out(male) or doesn't(female) I can see the confusion if a male is not popped correctly it would be looked at as a female. The other way around doesn't seem logical.

[GartersRock]

IMHO if a male pops... Then why the heck would you believe probing over that? I have had many local non-garter people probe garters incorrectly.

[snakeman]

You probally mistaked feces for the hemipenis.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

sometimes when you pop a female, they have these little things that sort of stick out that can resemble hemipenes on a tiny snake, but are actually not. Possibly that is how this error occured.

[GartersRock]

Honestly I see it as pretty obvious... The hemipenes are super long. :lol:

[garterchick]

amanda,
maybe you and i can get together after the first babies are born (assuming there will be babies) and you could teach me how to pop them.
lunch's on me....

[mtolypetsupply]

All I can say is if you have to strain to find hemipenes, then it's a probable female. The snakes I popped, well, it looked like tiny little alien antennae pop out of them. The ones I saw were grey, lending that quality even more so. However, I may not have gotten all the males to pop out of the batch of six. I think I only had one male, but I could have had 6 and not gotten the other 5 to pop.

Anyone have babies now that they are willing to pop for the camera?

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

they're scent glands i think

sometimes when you pop a female, they have these little things that sort of stick out that can resemble hemipenes on a tiny snake, but are actually not. Possibly that is how this error occured.

[GartersRock]

Yeah that would be fun! :D A get together to look at "alien antennae" ROFL! (totally describes it well Stephie!)
But seriously that would be cool. ;)