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rigsby
02-28-2009, 04:09 AM
been a while since i posted, i've been very busy converting my garage into a "zoo" for all my little ones.Heres some recent pics.


http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/rigsby_photo/Picture013-25.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/rigsby_photo/Picture008-29.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/rigsby_photo/Picture109-1.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/rigsby_photo/Picture073-2.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/rigsby_photo/Picture067-5.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/rigsby_photo/Picture058-4.jpg
Sid
02-28-2009, 04:17 AM
Great photos and good to see you back.
drache
02-28-2009, 05:04 AM
yeah - really nice photos
and the snakes too
is that a melanistic vagrans?
rigsby
02-28-2009, 05:25 AM
spot on with the vagrans.
adamanteus
02-28-2009, 06:37 AM
Hi Ian, good to see you back on the forum. Excellent photos!:)
guidofatherof5
02-28-2009, 07:27 AM
Great looking snakes.
gregmonsta
02-28-2009, 07:55 AM
Very nice indeed!!!! beautiful collection!!!
Snake lover 3-25
02-28-2009, 10:36 AM
GREAT PICS!!!! beautiful snakes!:D
bkhuff1s
02-28-2009, 11:02 AM
What's the jet black one?
charles parenteau
02-28-2009, 11:13 AM
Welcome back ,nice pictures,show us your zoo hehe
reptile3
02-28-2009, 07:50 PM
What's the jet black one?


Welcome back, awesome pictures.... I too would like to know what kind that jet black one is!!:)
ssssnakeluvr
02-28-2009, 08:16 PM
melanistic eastern
Stefan-A
02-28-2009, 11:49 PM
melanistic eastern
Melanistic vagrans. :) Rhea guessed it and he confirmed it a few posts ago.
ssssnakeluvr
03-01-2009, 12:08 AM
really?? haven't seen a melanistic vagrans with white on the chin.....
rigsby
03-01-2009, 04:06 AM
Saying vagrans, i cant be 100% its just what it was bought as, they also had other dubious lables on some of the snakes.
Stefan-A
03-01-2009, 04:10 AM
Count the supralabial scales. :) 7 on both sides and it's probably sirtalis, 8 on at least one side and it's probably vagrans.
adamanteus
03-01-2009, 04:15 AM
I also thought/presumed it was a melanistic sirtalis when I saw the white scales around the throat and chin. I'd be interested to hear the result of the supralabial scale count.
drache
03-01-2009, 05:00 AM
my guess (and that's really all it was) was based on the fact that every melanistic sirtalis I've ever seen photos of, had a lot more white at the throat, and this garter looks like there's just some speckles
but I've never seen any melanistic garters in the flesh, so guessing is all i can do
adamanteus
03-01-2009, 05:02 AM
Very true, Rhea. The white specking is much reduced on this one. We'll see how the count comes out.
Snake lover 3-25
03-01-2009, 06:26 PM
wow that melanistic has AWESOME EYES!!!!:eek::D
ssssnakeluvr
03-01-2009, 10:06 PM
if you bought it in Europe, it's probably sirtalis....don't think anyone over there has melanistic vagrans yet....
not the clearest pic for counting scales, looks like 7 upper labials.....
rigsby
03-02-2009, 02:11 AM
I get a clearer pic of both.
It was bought in Holland where garter snake breeding is big biz.
misskris
03-06-2009, 10:57 AM
Lovely zoo you have there :) Thanks for sharing.