Other Reptiles/Amphibians

[count dewclaw]

Since I don't have any garter snakes at the moment I thought I would share a picture of one of my other pets. It is a Theloderma corticale or Vietnamese mossy frog. Enjoy!

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/mossfrog.JPG

[adamanteus]

LeAnn, that's gorgeous!:)

[count dewclaw]

Thanks. I really like these guys. I bought 3 juvies hoping to get a pair, but alas, they are all males. So now I need to buy a female or buy another "bunch" of young ones (hoping for a female). Oh, what to do, what to do?!

[adamanteus]

Obviously, you must buy more! I'd love to see more photos of these frogs, LeAnn.

[count dewclaw]

Easy enough to do...

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/bigmossy.JPG
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/mossy2.JPG

[adamanteus]

They really are beautiful animals. How are you keeping them? What are you feeding them? How do they spawn? You can't just tease us with a couple of photos, LeAnn.... Give us all the info!:D

[count dewclaw]

Oh alright, they are a semi aquatic tree frog. I have them in a 20 gallon tall aquarium with a screen lid. The water is about 6 inches deep. The "land" area takes up about 1/4 of the tank. The "land" area is made up of some rocks formed into a planter with a pothos plant. There is also a piece of mopani wood for them to crawl onto. I filter the water and there are some submerged plants to help with water quality (basically treat it like an aquarium). They eat large crickets (or roaches, but I don't have any of these). No special heat or lighting required. I do have a light for the pothos. I will try to get photos of the new tank arrangement tomorrow.

They usually deposit their eggs at or just above water level on the rocks or driftwood (or cork if you have that). From what I've read they spawn about every 3-5 weeks with about 10-40 eggs per "batch", I'll let you know what mine do if I ever get mine to breed.

[ssssnakeluvr]

those are neat frogs!!!!!!

[anji1971]

Oh-my-gosh..........I just love them. They are so unusual looking! New item on wish list......:D

[Stefan-A]

Very nice frog, LeAnn. :)

[drache]

they are so mossy looking - fantastic camo
totally cool

[Sid]

Great photos. LeAnn, they are awesome :).

[Snaky]

Great frogs, thanks for showing them :)

[CrazyHedgehog]

these look brilliant!..
no no no...we haven't any more room!

[Lori P]

KYLE!!! SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY ROACHES!!!!!! lololol :-)

They are SO COOL LeeAnn-- very cute little guys. Thanks for sharing, and keep up with the pics!!! :-)

[count dewclaw]

KYLE!!! SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY ROACHES!!!!!! lololol :-)

Hmm...I guess since I'm new here I don't get that joke...


Thanks for the comments, if you couldn't tell I'm having alot of fun keeping these guys! Now to find my camera for those tank shots...

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/mf1.JPG
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/mf2.JPG
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/mf3.JPG

[NikkiSixx]

neat!!!!:D:):D

[Lori P]

LeeAnn, Kyle is our Roach Expert Extraordinaire... he is revolutionizing the insect feeder industry even as we speak. :) Trust me... you will soon have roaches. I personally believe it is his evil plan to populate Thamnophis.com with roaches... :D:D

[count dewclaw]

OK Lori, now I get it. Does he have B. dubia? I have actually been thinking about getting some of these guys, but I still need to convince my husband...

[Lori P]

My husband's head fell off when he found out I'd set up a roach tank. LOLOL!!! Then he got right over it. I find, it's so much easier to beg forgivness than to ask permission, don't you? :D

I'm sure Kyle will see this... his name on here is Zephyr. He seems to have every roach known to mankind. :)

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

ya he has b. dubia

OK Lori, now I get it. Does he have B. dubia? I have actually been thinking about getting some of these guys, but I still need to convince my husband...

[Snake lover 3-25]

those are the coolest frogs ever!!!

[count dewclaw]

My husband's head fell off when he found out I'd set up a roach tank. LOLOL!!! Then he got right over it. I find, it's so much easier to beg forgivness than to ask permission, don't you?

I tried that when I bought the frogs (it was my birthday money)...I wasn't home when he discovered them, but the kids say he had some choice words to say...then he didn't say a word to me about them till I brought up the subject a few days later. Not sure I want to try that again :eek:

[Zephyr]

Heh, just found this thread. :D

[adamanteus]

Heh, just found this thread. :D

Yeah? Aren't these the best frogs ever?:D

[Zephyr]

Yeah? Aren't these the best frogs ever?:D
I'd cuddle them. :D

[drache]

I'm getting the frog bug
it's a terrible affliction
I caught it just from rubbing a rodent on a frog and now it's . . .
well, if the garters affliction is like a fatal flu, the frog affliction is sort of like a bad cold
Sean just got a bunch of frogs in and I want . . .
more tree frogs, some tomato frogs and one of those bull frogs that grow gigantic
and that's just from the ones I've seen
he doesn't have any mossy frogs
no matter - I can't have any more - sniff
maybe a buddy or two for Ronnie, the dumpy frog, but that's it

[count dewclaw]

Well, I do need to sell one of the males to buy a female...oh, I'm sorry am I enabling your affliction? :D

[drache]

totally, but it's okay
a woman needs a vice or two
let me read up on them
frogs will be my reward for getting my office organized and tarted up

[count dewclaw]

Woo hoo! I'm getting 10 mossy frog tadpoles next week! I couldn't find an adult female, so I will take my chances on getting a female from this group.

What's even better is I have money left over to buy some Puget Sound garters! :D That is if I can find some...

[anji1971]

Lucky you!! I would hope you'd get at least one female from that! :D
Best of luck........

[count dewclaw]

The mossy frog tadpoles arrived today!!! Yes, I would definitely hope I get at least one female :D , two would be even better! I'll try to get pics tomorrow.

[Stefan-A]

Congratulations. I hope they all make it. :)

[JSI]

Think of them as big garters.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/SSDD3se7oNI/AAAAAAAAESE/N6ovWXkwt5M/s800/IMG_0794.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/SSDD9sP5YbI/AAAAAAAAESo/pY-Ywl88xvs/s800/IMG_0805.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/SSDD4lz1R9I/AAAAAAAAESM/MxMT88mfn4Q/s800/IMG_0796.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/SSIEeQUxu4I/AAAAAAAAETI/fqO1ozt81hI/s800/IMG_0789tail.JPG

Jeremy

[olive oil]

Aww, what a sweet face :)

[snakeman]

cribo's are nothing like garters.I never saw a garter smash a rat into the sides of its cage until it was dead!

[Stefan-A]

Which cribo is it?

Drymarchon melanurus unicolor, right?

[Lori P]

Oh my-- just gorgeous. I just read they can get to 9 feet-- wow!

[guidofatherof5]

A very beautiful snake. Did a little reading on them and they are very interesting. Think I'll stay with my little Radixs. Thanks for sharing.

[reptile3]

WOW, very interesting snake!!! love the first pic of it's face.

[Garter_Gertie]

How cute!!!! What a sweetie.

I still want some Natix first... (pout)

[ssssnakeluvr]

awesome snake!! I used to have one of them....very nice snakes....very big messes to clean up.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

OMG!!! you got a cribo!?

soooo jealous. They are a lot like garters in that they are extremely active and smart, much like the indigo (a goal snake of mine in 2 years or less)

[Loren]

OMG!!! you got a cribo!?

soooo jealous. They are a lot like garters in that they are extremely active and smart, much like the indigo (a goal snake of mine in 2 years or less)

Dito. :)





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[GartersRock]

Cribos are awesome!!! Will get on someday.

Congrats! He is incredibly gorgeous!

[JSI]

OMG!!! you got a cribo!?

soooo jealous. They are a lot like garters in that they are extremely active and smart, much like the indigo (a goal snake of mine in 2 years or less)

Indigos and Cribos are both Drymarchon, very captivating genus. Much like Thamnophis. Keep in mind permits are required in some if not all states to own Indigos. It's not hard to get and I think is around $100.


cribo's are nothing like garters.I never saw a garter smash a rat into the sides of its cage until it was dead!

Some Garters are psychotic, could you image what an 6-8 foot Garter would be like? That's a scary thought.
Their behavior is actually quite similar.


Which cribo is it?

Drymarchon melanurus unicolor, right?

My guess as well, she was sold as a Black Tail Drymarchon melanurus melanurus but is most likely an intergrade of the two. She is from LTC parents.

Thanks all for the replies, this site is great for that.

Jeremy

[JSI]

Here are a couple new shots.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/SSyA-m0E_JI/AAAAAAAAEVg/du3-jFSy_Rg/s800/IMG_0857crop.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/SSyA_LFhMeI/AAAAAAAAEVo/zYwakK5GI2U/s800/IMG_0859crop.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/SSyA_x7TAII/AAAAAAAAEVw/nJoREVdIgDA/s800/IMG_0860crop1.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/SSyBAcf4PcI/AAAAAAAAEV4/cwCvpOlPVoc/s800/IMG_0861crop2.jpg

Jeremy

[Lori P]

Wow. That is just one stunning snake!!!!!! Lucky you!! :-)

[adamanteus]

Very nice, Jeremy..... beautiful.

[drache]

very beautiful - congrats

[guidofatherof5]

Wow! Nice snake.

[jitami]

Wow... I'll stick with the little guys but he is certainly an impressive snake!!!

[Lori P]

Ok, I'm updating my wish list: I now want a purple garter, AND a gold garter!!!

[JSI]

Ok, I'm updating my wish list: I now want a purple garter, AND a gold garter!!!


A big gold garter :D

Jeremy

[reptile3]

very nice pics... :)

[Steven@HumboldtHerps]

Yes, the gold is rich! Awesome serpent!

Steve

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/143641-med.jpgHere's one of my eaterns I had a while ago.

[Snake lover 3-25]

wow where'd he come from????? you have a second???? beautiful:D

[guidofatherof5]

How is their temperment? Do they spend much time out of there hids? Great looking snake!

[Bay_area]

KEWL! another Dry keeper! I have a pair of Eastern Indigos & a pair of Blacktail Cribos.

I had a pair of cribos that over heated & died last year during a heat wave:( I was soo upset @ myself over it. Did not realize they were as sensitive to the heat as they are, otherwise I would of moved them downstairs. Anyhow, I bought a pair @ the Sacramento show this year & they are doing great:D Both ate fuzzie mice today!

[snakeman]

I had a pair .I sold them in 2004.I had a legal problem with my moms house after she died and had to sell them.I still regret it!My male is pictured above.My female was all black.They are similar to garters in ways.They always give you eye contact when you enter the room.Watch what you are doing.Thats where the similarities end.They are way messier and are crazy when you feed them.especially if the food is alive.If you get bit you are probally going to the hospital for stitches.They have a extremely powerful bite!

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks for the info, Snakeman.

[Lori P]

KEWL! another Dry keeper! I have a pair of Eastern Indigos & a pair of Blacktail Cribos.

Explain the term "dry"? Just curious. :)

[drache]

Explain the term "dry"? Just curious. :)
drymarchon - species name

[Lori P]

Ahhhhhh thank you. I had visions of this dry, crinkly snake... LOL!

[Stefan-A]

drymarchon - species name
Genus name. :p

[snakeman]

I think in latin it means forest guardian.

[drache]

Genus name. :p
thanks for correction - brain mush this morning

[Bay_area]

Explain the term "dry"? Just curious


drymarchon - species name

Thanks Drache, I guess I shouldn't use the "slang" words...LOL!

I need to take some pics of my blacktails & some recent pics of my Easterns.
last years pic...
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c306/norcalsnakemaster/IMG_0307.jpg

snakeman, I know about how messy they are:eek: The male Eastern used to be kept right above the computer. I was sitting here on a few occassions when I thought I heard someone farting & it turned out to be the snake "taking a dump". If you do not clean it out right away, he smears it all over the glass. It also has a distinct odor to it & we refered to them as "Indigo granades". My wife would call me @ work to tell me to clean the cage as soon as I got home. Never got that with any other snake.

[snakeman]

My snakes were in the bedroom until they got big.Then my wife had enough!

[Bay_area]

My snakes were in the bedroom until they got big.Then my wife had enough!

The wife always gets their way...ROTFL!
I had mine in the garage all summer, but I just brought them up last week because of the cold weather. Spent the whole day last week cleaning & putting together the rack for the neashea cages I picked up this summer.
I am sure she will have me put them in the garage as soon as it warms up:p

[JSI]

Here are some more shots taken last night.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/STSQ-FTX70I/AAAAAAAAEXI/yqgGYsF3diw/s800/IMG_0863crop.jpg
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/STSQ-7LkVXI/AAAAAAAAEXQ/8yxTBBDAoQ8/s800/IMG_0871crop.jpg

I wish more people worked with Black Tailed Cribos, then there would be more availiable. Easterns seem to be much more popular, I guess because it's more impressive to have a high $$ snake. For me melanurus is my personal favorite of the Dry clan.

Now I need to take some more concinnus pictures, this is after all a Thamnophis forum.

[jitami]

That really is a stunning animal... looks like a garter, just supersized :)

[snakeman]

Here are some more shots taken last night.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/STSQ-FTX70I/AAAAAAAAEXI/yqgGYsF3diw/s800/IMG_0863crop.jpg
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_r4FF0W1-dCM/STSQ-7LkVXI/AAAAAAAAEXQ/8yxTBBDAoQ8/s800/IMG_0871crop.jpg

I wish more people worked with Black Tailed Cribos, then there would be more availiable. Easterns seem to be much more popular, I guess because it's more impressive to have a high $$ snake. For me melanurus is my personal favorite of the Dry clan.

Now I need to take some more concinnus pictures, this is after all a Thamnophis forum.
Even the blacktails are getting pricey nowadays.I remember they were $50 when I got my indigos.I paid 400 for my indigos.

[Bay_area]

Even the blacktails are getting pricey nowadays.I remember they were $50 when I got my indigos.I paid 400 for my indigos.

I just paid $500 for the pair of BTs:eek:
The pair I had before was only $75 each

[rockstar817]

nice looking snake!!!!! my dad had one a long time ago.

[count dewclaw]

So I upgraded the mossy tank...
Checking out how to place the wood pieces
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/frogtank1.JPG

building the small waterfall
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/frogtank2.JPG

the almost finished tank, I'm going to add more plants
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/frogtank3.JPG

close up of the waterfall
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/frogtank4.JPG

the filter to clean the water and supply the waterfall (the tube goes across the back of the tank)
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/frogtank5.JPG

I'm still hoping this will be the breeding tank for the mossy frogs....

Now I can work on fixing Penny and Azule's tank so that it is ready for them when they come out of brumation!

[Snake lover 3-25]

very pretty! it's comming along great!:D

[drache]

it's looking good

[mtolypetsupply]

Nice work on the rebuild! I must have missed this thread before, but oh, how ADORABLE those frogs are!!!!! Hubby keeps saying we're going to move, and I can get more critters then, but I don't know how long I'm going to be able to hold out. Especially when everyone on here is going to have baby snakes this year, and maybe Leann, you'll have some extra Mossy Frogs!

[jitami]

LeAnn, those are simply the cutest frogs!!! Love their set-up, too! Good luck with the tadpoles... how fun!!!

[count dewclaw]

Thanks everyone, I have fun watching (looking for) the frogs. I hope I do have extras sometime this year!

[Loren]

Cool frogs ! :)



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[anji1971]

We need more pictures of those cute little frogs.;)
The new house looks very nice!

[dashnu]

I really like those mossy frogs how cool.

[count dewclaw]

Here's one of the frogs in their newly remodeled home.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/mossman.JPG

[drache]

really cute, and shouldn't there be a better word?

[Snake lover 3-25]

wow SWEET FROG!!!!!!!:eek::D

[bkhuff1s]

I've been stuck on these critters myself, if I get my pugets to breed maybe we could work something out lol

[anji1971]

really cute, and shouldn't there be a better word?

I know..........I feel I've been "cute-ing" everything to death lately. But darn it, they are!
adorable, precious, sweet, endearing, charming, blah,blah,blah......

[guidofatherof5]

Great photos. They are so ribbiting:D to watch.
Thanks for sharing.

[Aundrea]

I got a baby Ball Python today in the mail!!! :DHe was born on Nov 13th 2008. Hes a boy. He is sooo cute and a nice little guy. He is in this container for now til I go to the new house and get his tank he will be in. We are moving and everything is at the new house now. I was thinking of naming him Jack or Phantom but I think its gonna be Spenser. So heres my first BF :eek: I gave him a drinking dish and he sure did drink alot and soaked his head/ When I got him I put him in his tank right away and he made himself at home by taking a HUGE dump LOL :eek: I will be getting his UTH this weekend. Sooo here he is.. Sooo THANK YOU STEPHANIE LOL

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/100_1569.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/100_1571.jpg
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/100_1570.jpg

[Snake lover 3-25]

awwwww very cute!!!!!:D good luck moving to utah!!!!:D

[prattypus]

He's a beaut, but isn't it unfair by teasing him with all the meat ads?

[guidofatherof5]

Great looking little snake. He won't be little for long.
Have fun.

[mtolypetsupply]

Congrats! He's adorable!

[infernalis]

He's a beaut, but isn't it unfair by teasing him with all the meat ads?

Yeah Aundria, he's going to want steak:cool:

[olive oil]

My son is the proud owner of a baby ball python. We'll get to watch them grow up together:D
Hope you enjoy as much as we do!
Pretty little guy.

[reptile3]

awwwww Spenser is cute!! Simon, misses his brother!!! They are so cool & addicting. :)

[reptile3]

HI all, I got a new BP too. His name is Simon, he is brothers to Spenser!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/reptile3/reptile3-3/DSC02958.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/reptile3/reptile3-3/DSC02961.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/reptile3/reptile3-3/DSC02965.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice looking snake. You should be proud.

[Loren]

Very Nice Stephanie. He has a nice light color.
My Ball python is nearing 4 feet now- I cant believe how heavy he is. He was about 18" long when he was given to me.

[reptile3]

Very Nice Stephanie. He has a nice light color.
My Ball python is nearing 4 feet now- I cant believe how heavy he is. He was about 18" long when he was given to me.

thank you, Yeah George was never that small, when I got her. She is huge now.. about 900 grams.

Simon & Spenser's parents... dad was a lemon pastel bp, & mom was a normal bp.

It's just nice to have such friendly snakes...

[Aundrea]

Hes such a cutie!! YEP thats Spensers brother :D. Hope they can see each other again this summer.

I love how small he is but I know hes gonna get alot bigger soon :eek:.

[Snake lover 3-25]

awww very cute!!!:D

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Simon is adorable, I REALLY like ball pythons. No matter how many people have them, I can't get away from them. I am planning on a collection reduction to be completed at the next hambrug show. After that, I will have mostly just garters and balls. And the few odds and ends I can never part with like Tightie Whitie, and Sledge!

[infernalis]

I agree with that statement, Cain has really grown on us, and I would not hesitate to rescue another.

Nice looking ball.

[reptile3]

I just weighed him, he is 117 grams, & 18 inches long.

a little baby! George was about 220grams when I got her...LOL :eek:

Wayne, Cain is gorgeous... & Shannon, I have to look through your snake pic thread to see your ball pythons.

Aundrea is stoked about her's(Spenser).

[anji1971]

Simon is a sweetie! I like his colouring, too.:cool:

[anji1971]

Hi, Spenser!
I just love the ball pythons' funny-shaped little heads. :D

[Lori P]

Hi Spenser! LOL I was thinking the same thing on the meat ads, too funny!! I almost want another bp... almost!!

[Lori P]

Welcome Simon! Such a cutie!

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

My local pet store offered me a uro of some kind (not sure) and i was wondering if anyone knew if i could keep it in with my ackies?

[drache]

My local pet store offered me a uro of some kind (not sure) and i was wondering if anyone knew if i could keep it in with my ackies?
wouldn't think so, but ask someone who knows more

[Loren]

I personally wouldnt try it Reed. I think monitors are best left alone, or with other monitors or same size and species.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Ditto.... if you can't house it separately... it's not a good idea to take it

[NikkiSixx]

Super Cute!!!:D:D

[NikkiSixx]

Super cute!!! :d:d

[snakems]

adorable!! :) ... I love his face!

[count dewclaw]

Ok, so I figured having loose stones around the water outlet was a bad idea...I was right, the frogs kicked the stones away.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/waterfall1.JPG

So I decided a fake plant would do a good job of hiding the water outlet...seems to work, we'll see what the frogs do to the plant...

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/waterfall2.JPG

[snakems]

how neat looking!! he is BEAUTIFUL! :D

[count dewclaw]

Thanks, I'm really enjoying having these frogs. I have 3 males and 3 juvies (I'm hoping at least one will be female....) and I hope to breed them this year.

[jitami]

They're really awesome LeAnn! Love his new home, too!

[vwsrcool]

i know its not a garter, but has anyone had any experiece with russian tortoises? and if so what should i know before i would get one?

[NetBSD]

ive been thinking of getting one of these, local shop has a young one for sale.


best i can do for you in google.com i did a quick search for "russian tortoises care sheet" and got a few links

The Russian Tortoise Care Sheet (http://www.russiantortoise.org/care_sheet.htm)

[prattypus]

Good for you- getting the needs straight before you run out and get something new! I had a neighbor that got a painted turtle for his birthday, and that thing suffered quite awhile in a ten gallon tank before they learned the error of their ways.

Good luck on finding all your info that you need.

[Loren]

I have a pair of Russian tortoises. I refered to the same website as is posted on the second reply(russiontortoise.org) for all of my info. Far as I can tell its all good information.

I keep them in a home built tortoise table, 2 feet wide by 6 feet long.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/tortoise_table.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/IMG_9799.JPG

[guidofatherof5]

Loren,
Great looking Tortoise.
Thanks for posting the photo.

[adamanteus]

Nice tortoise set-up, Loren!

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Tortoise?!?! what is this thing you call tortoise. Strange creature with legs you say??? Legs? what are "legs"?

Oh, so they are rocks, with "legs"!!! :D:D:p:rolleyes:;)

[Charlet_2007]

that pic is priceless lol I LOVE IT!!! :D:D:D

[olive oil]

Awe Loren, what a sweet looking tortoise!

[drache]

that's a really nice set-up, Loren
and the critter is pretty far out

[Lori P]

But Loren, how did you get past the language barrier? Or do you speak Russian?:D

[ssssnakeluvr]

he's got a russian sand boa to translate.....:rolleyes:

[reptile3]

Hi Ben,

Aundrea on here has one, she got for her Bday in Aug last year.

Loren, wow love the upclose photo, really nice.

[Loren]

But Loren, how did you get past the language barrier? Or do you speak Russian?:D
The language of love is universal. :D

[vwsrcool]

LOREN, how long have you had your russians? have you had any problems with them? i really dont know what else to ask, anything you would like to add?

[Loren]

I have had them since about september of 2007. They are pretty neat.They do seem to have a little personality. They dont get real big, which I think is good.
I dont do a whole lot with them, they just kinda live, and seem pretty content. I feed them just enough to keep them healthy, mostly romain and collared greens, and a few other things off the list on that website. They are a m/fm pair, and I have seen them mate, but no eggs yet.
I do let them shut down for several weeks in the winter, but dont give them a full-on brumation. They seem happier if I let them sleep for a while in the winter.
They live a really long time, so they are a commitment, but I also think they are pretty low maintanence. I got them for free- someone in my church needed to rehome them, and said they would rather give them to me than sell them to a stranger.
I keep them on the sand/bedabeast mixture like on the website. it works fine.

[Loren]

those pics are old, I will try to take some new ones and post them in my "Lorens snakes" thread soon.

[Stefan-A]

The language of love is universal. :D
Well, the parts of it that aren't culturally dependent.

[vwsrcool]

ive been doing alot of research about them, i think i might try them out

[pool]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/pool/blacktail.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/pool/IMG_0614.jpg

I had a pair of WC adult Texas Indigos in the late eighties, which at the time were relatively inexpensive - it was the Easterns that were highly prized and sought after. Most terrifying snakes I've ever "owned".

ps
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/pool/sirtalis1.jpg

;)

[Spankenstyne]

Wow Pool, glad to see you here too. Nice shots as always.

[Loren]

ok, one more. :)

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/russian_tort.JPG

[reptile3]

Loren, they are soo cute. What a gorgeous picture!

[Snake lover 3-25]

awwww cute!!!!!!!:D

[anji1971]

Awww, sweet little things! ;):)

[Loren]

They are sweet little things. Sometimes I think it would be neat to built them a little walkway around the house so they could walk through the living room and stuff...haha

[jitami]

awwww... they're adorable Loren! What sweet little faces!

[Lori P]

Oh, now that is a GREAT pic!! And yes, of course you should let them wander the house. My neighbor has an ooooolllllldddddd turtle that wanders loose in his house. He calls him a woods turtle-- I've never researched to see if that's an acurate name. But he has his own bedroom that he gets shut into when Steve's at work, then gets to roam around when he's home. :-)

[vwsrcool]

i currently have 3 box turtle , could they be kept with russians or would it be best to keep them seperate?

[SnakeBabe1454]

Ok, well I just figured out that Petco sold me a "Canadian Garter" who is really a Striped Keelback Xenochrophis vittatus. I read they have fangs and are mildy venoumous, great starter snake huh? :mad: Does anyone know anything about this type of snake? Or just how bad their venoum is? Also, what should I feed him!? :eek:

[infernalis]

They are Indonesian, and completely harmless.

Have no fear, they make great pets, and we will still be supportive to you all the way:D;)

The care is so similar to a garter.

[brain]

Doesn't Shannon has this animal?

[SnakeBabe1454]

How can I find Shannon?

[Odie]

How can I find Shannon?
Private Messages (http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/private.php): I think :confused:

[Stefan-A]

How can I find Shannon?
She goes by the name aSnakeLovinBabe.

[drache]

don't panic
I had some and they're lovely snakes
none of mine - not even the skittish one - ever tried to bite
I was able to get mine to take frozen/thawed pinkies, but they really prefer fish
try trout, salmon, or tilapia
you will have to use a supplement also and if you're up for it, I highly recommend trying the fish mixture some people on this forum have been making:
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/enclosures/3208-trout-mixture.html
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/4881-fish-gelatin-total-success.html
and a couple more . . .

[SnakeBabe1454]

Thank you very much, that really helps! :D

[reptile3]

this is why I love this forum... you all are so kind & helpful!!!

:D

[GarterNovice]

I just had the same problem. That was my second attempt to buy a garter. The first ended up being a ribbon. But he's been very good so far. Though you might want to quarantine it from any other snakes for a few months if you can to make sure it's healthy. I'm still working on getting mine to eat pinkies.

[SnakeBabe1454]

I have a Striped Keelback (Xenochrophis Vittatus). I heard sombody say they are "rear fanged" and are venoumous, yet others say they are not. Ah which is it? :confused:

Also sold as "Asian Garters" or "Indonesian Garters"

Here is a good pic of one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Xenoch_vittatus_050507_RwG.jpg/240px-Xenoch_vittatus_050507_RwG.jpg

P.S. IF he is venoumous, how bad would this be? I am highly allerigic to EVERYTHING and I heard the "rear fanged" ones could be the same as a bee sting (yes, I am allergic to bees to). Haha thanks

[GarterNovice]

I haven't read anything thing that says they are. Mine doesn't seem to be.

[ssssnakeluvr]

I do believe they are rear fanged....meaning enlarged teeth in the back, generally grooved, to direct saliva into the wounds....some rear fanged snakes are harmless, hardly any reaction to bites, whereas some can deliver pretty bad, possibly fatal bites. I haven't heard of these snakes biting, are very mellow.

[Charlet_2007]

this dont help this is what i found... :(:( which ever one it is?

Wildlife Singapore (http://www.wildsingapore.per.sg/discovery/factsheet/snakekeelbkspotted.htm)

Snakes of Southeast Asia : Spotted Keelback - Xenochrophis maculatus (http://www.ecologyasia.com/verts/snakes/spotted_keelback.htm)

Snakes of Southeast Asia : Triangle Keelback - Xenochrophis trianguligerus (http://www.ecologyasia.com/verts/snakes/triangle_keelback.htm)

Snakes of Southeast Asia : Striped Keelback - Xenochrophis vittatus (http://www.ecologyasia.com/verts/snakes/striped_keelback.htm)

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

P.S. IF he is venoumous, how bad would this be? I am highly allerigic to EVERYTHING and I heard the "rear fanged" ones could be the same as a bee sting (yes, I am allergic to bees to). Haha thanks


To be perfectly honest and very blunt, yes this snake is venomous and is rear fanged. Those that are saying they are not, are actually meaning to say that the snake is "considered harmless". That never changes the fact that they do carry rear fangs in that mouth of theirs. No it does not mean that this snake's bite is comparable to that of a rattlesnake or a mamba, but by the books, this is a venomous animal. They are considered harmless snakes, but hey, so were the red-necked keelback and the lyre snake, until they up and killed someone, and seriously wounded a few others. Lyre snakes are now outlawed as pets in a state or two ( forget which) because ONE person, a small boy, got bit, had a serious reaction, and died. Before that it was commonplace to pick them up, play with them, keep them as a first pet like so many of us did with garters as kids. The tiger keelback was also once considered harmless but that's not so much the case anymore. Rear fangs are enlarged, grooved, fixed teeth in the back of their mouth meant to aid the "chewing" of toxins into the skin of predator or prey. It's a terrible delivery system, but nonetheless it's still there. They are not hollow and do not "inject" venom like most front fangs would, which for some reason seems to scare and intimidate people a lot more, but that does not necessarily make it any less dangerous, considering some of the deadliest species of snake are rear fanged. Hognoses are rear fanged/venomous, garters are rear fanged/venomous, and even with those "totally harmless" species, some people do have negative reactions. I've not taken a hognose bite but I hear that it puffs a bit and itches a lot. To most, the striped keelback's effect have been noted as practically harmless, but in all seriousness, if you really are that volatile when it comes to allergic reactions, I would strongly consider not keeping this snake anymore. Very little is actually known about the full effects and complexity of the toxins that these snakes secrete. Even though they are not prone to biting at all, should an accident happen, and you do have a reaction, there is nothing that they can give you at the hopsital to reverse the process. I really, really do not get why pet stores are getting these snakes to sell. Very little is known about them overall, they are a delicate, exotic snake from overseas and they are being misrepresented! They are definitely not your run of the mill pet snake like the ball pythons, corn snakes and kingsnakes you see being sold alongside them. I am not trying to be mean or deter you from keeping your pet.... just trying to help you out!

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Doesn't Shannon has this animal?


I no longer have this species - for now...

apparantly, my attempts to treat for parasites was not enough... They ate great and all, but they always just wither away and die off. It's heartbreaking to someone trying so hard to establish something and start some real captive breeding!!

[ssssnakeluvr]

the boomslang is an example of a deadly rear fanged snake....

Boomslang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomslang)

tiger keelbacks have caused one death I have read about years ago.....

[prattypus]

Yep, Petco had an Indo Garter for sale as a ribbon. 15.99. There was even a pic of a ribbon on the price tag, and they couldn't have easily been mistaken for each other.

[Stefan-A]

the boomslang is an example of a deadly rear fanged snake....

Boomslang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomslang)

tiger keelbacks have caused one death I have read about years ago.....
Indeed. Supposedly, it's the snake with the most potent venom in Africa.

[drache]

well put, Shannon

[gregmonsta]

Someone needs to sort Petco out!!! ...

[GarterNovice]

I agree. I'm never getting another animal from them again. Unless that is I decide I'm crazy enough to try and breed some keelbacks in the near future. Probably not ready for that yet though. Maybe next year.

[adamanteus]

As Shannon says, this is a venomous species. Although the toxins are believed to be very mild, I would be cautious if you're 'allergic to everything'.

The African Twig Snake Thelotornis kirtlandi was also considered harmless until someone died as a result of an envenomated bite.

[adamanteus]

They are Indonesian, and completely harmless.

Have no fear, they make great pets, and we will still be supportive to you all the way:D;)

The care is so similar to a garter.

I can't completely agree with you on this Wayne. I would say they are 'considered' to be completely harmless.
I'm not so sure they make great pets either. I never heard of anyone keeping them alive for very long at all. They are always wild-caught and as far as I can assertain they are always loaded with parasites.
I think they're one for a keeper who's prepared to spend a lot of money to get them established.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I'm not so sure they make great pets either.
.


They don't, actually not in the least. They are definitely not for a beginning keeper.



They are always wild-caught and as far as I can assertain they are always loaded with parasites.
I think they're one for a keeper who's prepared to spend a lot of money to get them established


*raises hand*

[Charlet_2007]

the boomslang is an example of a deadly rear fanged snake....

Boomslang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomslang)




If I didn't have my kids I'd would have a boomslang.. They are my favo snake ever...

[Charlet_2007]

To be perfectly honest and very blunt, yes this snake is venomous and is rear fanged. Those that are saying they are not, are actually meaning to say that the snake is "considered harmless". That never changes the fact that they do carry rear fangs in that mouth of theirs. No it does not mean that this snake's bite is comparable to that of a rattlesnake or a mamba, but by the books, this is a venomous animal. They are considered harmless snakes, but hey, so were the red-necked keelback and the lyre snake, until they up and killed someone, and seriously wounded a few others. Lyre snakes are now outlawed as pets in a state or two ( forget which) because ONE person, a small boy, got bit, had a serious reaction, and died. Before that it was commonplace to pick them up, play with them, keep them as a first pet like so many of us did with garters as kids. The tiger keelback was also once considered harmless but that's not so much the case anymore. Rear fangs are enlarged, grooved, fixed teeth in the back of their mouth meant to aid the "chewing" of toxins into the skin of predator or prey. It's a terrible delivery system, but nonetheless it's still there. They are not hollow and do not "inject" venom like most front fangs would, which for some reason seems to scare and intimidate people a lot more, but that does not necessarily make it any less dangerous, considering some of the deadliest species of snake are rear fanged. Hognoses are rear fanged/venomous, garters are rear fanged/venomous, and even with those "totally harmless" species, some people do have negative reactions. I've not taken a hognose bite but I hear that it puffs a bit and itches a lot. To most, the striped keelback's effect have been noted as practically harmless, but in all seriousness, if you really are that volatile when it comes to allergic reactions, I would strongly consider not keeping this snake anymore. Very little is actually known about the full effects and complexity of the toxins that these snakes secrete. Even though they are not prone to biting at all, should an accident happen, and you do have a reaction, there is nothing that they can give you at the hopsital to reverse the process. I really, really do not get why pet stores are getting these snakes to sell. Very little is known about them overall, they are a delicate, exotic snake from overseas and they are being misrepresented! They are definitely not your run of the mill pet snake like the ball pythons, corn snakes and kingsnakes you see being sold alongside them. I am not trying to be mean or deter you from keeping your pet.... just trying to help you out!

Pine snake are rear fanged.. I've got bit from the female I use to have and it was like any other snake bite only it puffed a bit and then I got tiny little blisters where she bit me.. and it itched.. And that was it..

[Stefan-A]

Pine snake are rear fanged..
Are you sure about that?

[Charlet_2007]

i could have swore they are the guy i got them from has kept snakes for over 30+ years told me they was.. humm weird let me look them up lol..

[adamanteus]

I think you'll find the guy is wrong. Pituophis are not rear fanged.

[ssssnakeluvr]

never heard of a constrictor type snake being rear fanged... sounds like an allergic reaction, not envenomation....

[Stefan-A]

never heard of a constrictor type snake being rear fanged... sounds like an allergic reaction, not envenomation....
Some venomous colubrids do restrain their prey while the venom takes effect, but I'm not entirely sure there are any that both constrict and use venom.

[adamanteus]

I'm not entirely sure there are any that both constrict and use venom.

Boiga dendrophila and other Boiga.

[Stefan-A]

Boiga dendrophila and other Boiga.
Yeah, I thought about those, but what I was wondering was how good they are at constriction compared to the specialists.

[adamanteus]

When it comes to constriction, they're not in the same league as Pituophis or the Boids, but still highly effective constricors, routinely using this method to kill their prey.

I'm sure there must be a video on the internet somewhere of a Mangrove Snake killing it's prey..... Google Master.;)

[Stefan-A]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[infernalis]

Well guys honestly I have never had one, just going by what others have said.

However now that I think of it, "Sitting Duck" had a rather bummer experience with his.

Really just trying to be nice so snakebabe does not panic.

Personally, I hope the snake works out, All too often many allow a bad experience to deter them from pursuing this passion further.

[kjell]

You should Jerom from the dutch gartersnake forum a PM.
You can find the forum on multiforum.com (http://www.thamnophis.multiforum.com)
He has those snake too, and is trying to breed with them.

[Charlet_2007]

in fact he is wrong wow thank you for letting me know this.. humm wonder why i get that every time she bit me?

[Aundrea]

Welp Spenser is doing well. I fed him an adult mouse on Monday and boy it didnt take long for him to get it lol. Hes been hiding since then and now hes all over his tub now. Looks like hes trying to bust out LOL. Hes a super sweet snake. Hes getting used to me holding him now. Hes not curled up in a ball when I hold him anymore. My kids love him.

LOL I didnt notice the meat adds that I used for his bedding LOL. No wonder he was giving me dirty looks :eek::D

[Snake lover 3-25]

glad he's doing great:)

[infernalis]

We went to petco today (just to look, kinda hoping there may be a keelback:( No luck)

The baby balls were so cute, Dorothy dragged me back out empty handed.

Glad yours is doing so well.

They are very docile for the most part. (rare exceptions excluded)

[Aundrea]

awwwwwwwwwww poor Wayne.. lol Better luck next time eh? LOL

Im glad that they are docile :D:eek:

[reptile3]

I was given 2 leopard geckos back in June 2008. One had an issue with her front legs, stuck shed(about 4 months worth), I got it off, & she looks alot better. She is a very good eater, well was... 2 months ago, she stopped eating, & one of her eyes shut closed. I know why did I wait so long.. Well my hubby doesn't care, he is super mad at me, I took Bella to the vet today.

She is on a dewormer & baytril antibiotic. I am alittle upset, that my hubby just wanted me to let her die. He said the money I spent on the vet visit & meds, I could have bought 2 more healthy geckos.

So Bella looks like she is on the road to recovery!! I am an ALL animal lover, no matter what kind it is. On the other Hand, Miss Jenna is doing well.

thanks for listening to me whine,.....

[olive oil]

I hope she will feel better soon, and your husband gets over it:)
You did the right thing.

[infernalis]

Ditto what Zoe said.

[Sid]

I hope Bella is recovered for really soon, Stephanie. I hate it when someting is my happens to anything in my care.

[Lori P]

Stephanie, some people just won't ever understand that lives are not disposable. It's not about replacing them one after the other... it's about being responsible for the ones you've taken on and seeing it out to the end. But whether he'll ever understand that is doubtful!!!

But all is well, you did the right thing and he should appreciate your dedication and compassion!!!

[And_Lyn]

why would she let her snake get that far?
how long would that have taken to get to the bottom knuckle?

whats your opinion on this?


YouTube - Snake Eating Finger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpfHE414qCE)

[infernalis]

The sad part is the damage it may have done the the snake extracting the finger afterward.

Youtube is full of morons ABUSING reptiles.

[And_Lyn]

this is exactly what i thought wayne!
and when she says "she does it all the time" ugh!

-andrew


The sad part is the damage it may have done the the snake extracting the finger afterward.

Youtube is full of morons ABUSING reptiles.

[brain]

Agree those are about he mos dumbest ppl I've seen IMO.

[infernalis]

right up there with feeding Iguanas pinkies, walking monitors in public parks, letting the dog fight with a lizard over a plate of food...... ETC..

[drache]

this is pretty stupid
but I did take our beardie to Prospect Park before we had a backyard
it was just the only outdoors/real sunlight he could get, because even with the harness the fire escape was more scary, and I'm a fervent believer in the positive effects of real sun and fresh air

[Pinky]

I have been thinking for some time now that we should get a lizrad.I wanted something that my wife can handle since she won't go near either of our snakes!I was hoping for something relativly docile, size isn't a major issue as I can build what ever size enclosure I need!thanks:)

[infernalis]

But Rhea, I'd wager you did not try and shock innocent people in the process.

[infernalis]

I'm partial to Monitors, But probably the best choice would be a bearded dragon.

Iguanas are great, but some grow to have nasty tempers and they can be frail.

Monitors can bee sweethearts, or mini crocodiles, it's a gamble what you'll wind up with.

[And_Lyn]

we have a leopard gecko, very docile, they dont grow very big, they have awesome morphs, ours likes to sit on our shoulders and nap:D


I have been thinking for some time now that we should get a lizrad.I wanted something that my wife can handle since she won't go near either of our snakes!I was hoping for something relativly docile, size isn't a major issue as I can build what ever size enclosure I need!thanks:)

[And_Lyn]

I also vote leopard gecko :)

-Lyndsey

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

well the fact that she said it does it all the time is disturbing... BUT....

My very first snake Bandit is a california kingsnake. He often decides that my hand in the tank = food and tries to grab me. One time, he got the tip of my ring finger and before I even KNEW what had happened, my 4 foot kingsnake had it swallowed all the way down as far is he could go. It hurt a LOT... usually, running them under water makes them let go, not Bandit!!! I tried cold water, then some whiskey, then rubbing alcohol, and finally I ran the hot water under the faucet and had to quickly bob his head under it about 3 times before he would finally let go. It took 15 minutes to get him off me!!! He definitely was not injured by spitting my finger out of his mouth, its so lubed up with saliva that it won't hurt them.... but the fact that this woman decided to stop and videotape it instead of try and get the snake off, and the fact that she allows this to happen often is just plain stupid. In my opinion, that video shows no abuse, just stupidity.

[And_Lyn]

I think it's sad. That broads an idiot

-Lyndsey

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I think it's sad. That broads an idiot

-Lyndsey

yes, it is sad, and stupid.

[Stefan-A]

"She always tries to eat me." Those are her exact words. That's hardly the same as "I always let her swallow my finger before making her regurgitate it."

[drache]

everybody loves our beardie, and he has quite the personality
I did foster a leopard gecko for a while and liked her
the uromastyx are goofy and great eaters (vegetarian - a great boon), but they can move a bit fast and they need a ton of heat
our crested gecko is wonderful to hold and also pretty much vegetarian - easy to feed
for docile and personable I also highly recommend a blue tongue skink, and those don't even move fast

[Pinky]

Thanks, I originally thought that beardeds were relativly "low maintanence" and they were my original selection but I was recently told they have high needs as far as lighting, feeding and even deworming??Any ideas as to their feeding costs?:)

[And_Lyn]

Nice pics everyone :)

[drache]

We went to petco today (just to look, kinda hoping there may be a keelback:( No luck)

The baby balls were so cute, Dorothy dragged me back out empty handed.

Glad yours is doing so well.

They are very docile for the most part. (rare exceptions excluded)
if you really want one, don't get it at petco
I bet there's one needing to be rescued

[infernalis]

That's the only way I'd ever get one Rhea. When we got Cain, I had no interest in a BP, but I could not leave him in squalor.

There is a rescue about 80 miles from here that has BP, Red Tail Boas and Iguanas frequently.

[drache]

That's the only way I'd ever get one Rhea. When we got Cain, I had no interest in a BP, but I could not leave him in squalor.

There is a rescue about 80 miles from here that has BP, Red Tail Boas and Iguanas frequently.
those turn up at Sean's rescue frequently as well - those and endless amounts of turtles
we brought home Stumps, the russian tortoise yesterday - pics to follow soon
btw - if anyone wants to adopt a really beautiful iguana at Hamburg, Sean will be bringing the one I've been fostering, and he's wonderful

[NetBSD]

well i went to the show and got a few things.....



dont mind the junky setup, its temp till i can move them in with the rest


redtail
http://imnotmark.zapto.org:3030/Pics/TMP/DSCF0119-1024.jpg
http://imnotmark.zapto.org:3030/Pics/TMP/DSCF0120-1024.jpg
http://imnotmark.zapto.org:3030/Pics/TMP/DSCF0122-1024.jpg

this is my first boa ever, so far he was good handling when moving him to his temp setup.


mojave
http://imnotmark.zapto.org:3030/Pics/TMP/DSCF0125-1024.jpg

http://imnotmark.zapto.org:3030/Pics/TMP/DSCF0130-1024.jpg

dont mind my knuckles, i was young and stupid

[Snake lover 3-25]

very pretty snakes:)

[olive oil]

Beautiful Python!

[drache]

remember that I was adopting a handicapped tortoise?
well here he is - meet Stumps

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3633/3330892351_9b976e9836_b.jpg

you can see that there's a lot of old damage to his carapace, as well as no feet
he gets around okay though - some surfaces are better than others
he really likes to eat
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3215/3331730236_b2f2bcb736_b.jpg

he's also shedding right now and he's lost two scutes already since we've gotten him

[olive oil]

Oh Rhea, I'm so glad Stumps found his way into your home!
Bless his little heart.

[jitami]

Awww, poor little man... thanks for taking him in Rhea :)

[infernalis]

He's in good hands now Rhea:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

oh my! so glad he's in your care now!

[guidofatherof5]

It's great to see him doing so well. I love my Radixes but have always had a soft spot in my heart for these guys. Great work.

[misskris]

Stumps is cute :)

We adopted a Cornsnake from our local Humane Society. His previous owner apparently didn't think to find him and his lady friend a new home before moving on and left the snakes in an apartment. He's a little thin and had patches of left over shed.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kswmm/Simone/013-1.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kswmm/Simone/014-1.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kswmm/Simone/015-1.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice, Kris.
Good job on the rescue.
It won't take long to get him back to normal.
Sometimes they just need some TLC.

[ssssnakeluvr]

Nice rescue!!! good looking corn!! he looks pretty heathy in the photos

[misskris]

Thanks guys :) I love love the yellow on his sides. He's not nearly as active and fun to watch as Simone is. I put him in a tub and set him in the bathroom while my older two took there showers, then wiped him off with a warm damp rag. Managed to get the patches of old shed off. His G/F is still at the shelter, she's full of eggs and won't be released untill she lay's them. Sad thing, is I think they're just going to trash the eggs.

[olive oil]

Good save! He is very pretty:)

[Snake lover 3-25]

wow he's pretty!!!:eek::D glad he's in your care now:)

[drache]

nice rescue, congrats

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks guys :) I love love the yellow on his sides. He's not nearly as active and fun to watch as Simone is. I put him in a tub and set him in the bathroom while my older two took there showers, then wiped him off with a warm damp rag. Managed to get the patches of old shed off. His G/F is still at the shelter, she's full of eggs and won't be released untill she lay's them. Sad thing, is I think they're just going to trash the eggs.

Why does her being with eggs stop you from getting her now? Is that a shelter rule? and if so, why?
I've never hatched snake eggs before but have done my share of turtle eggs. Any chance you can get the eggs? It's a big undertaking and I can understand if you woudn't want to do it.

[drache]

shelters tend to take the tack that there's not much reason to propagate animals that ended up there to begin with, since that does say something about supply and demand

[Pinky]

AAwh, nice rescue, he is very beautiful!!Hard to tell from the pics but he doesn't look too thin.I'm sure he has a voracious appetite after being abandoned though!:)

[Pinky]

Marie and I finally decided on what lizard we were going to get...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/buggyboy80/Gecko21.jpg
This little guy is still without name...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/buggyboy80/43082.jpg

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/buggyboy80/43112.jpg
We thought this was the best idea since we already had a ten gallon starer kit from when my corn was a baby and it was just sitting there...no need to take up more space.Now all three tanks are full!:)

[guidofatherof5]

Great looking little guy.

[Snake lover 3-25]

AWWW what a cute baby!!!:)

[Pinky]

Thanks, does anybody know if it's best to feed leopard geckos in the morning or evening?

[Snake lover 3-25]

no idea.....

[adamanteus]

They're nocturnal.

[Pinky]

They're nocturnal.

Evening it is.:)

[misskris]

What a cute little guy. Congrats :)

[Pinky]

What a cute little guy. Congrats :)
Thanks, we love him!:)

[drache]

he's very cute, congrats