Stupid Puget Question

[Kelan]

I know this is probably a dum question...
How big are Puget's usually when they become Sexually mature? Or is it more of an age? There isn't a whole lot of info about them on the internet so I thought I'd ask here.
Thanks!

-Kelan

[guidofatherof5]

Welcome,
Can't help you. Radix is my bag.

[adamanteus]

My pickeringii (red phase) are around 18 months old, and not sexually mature yet. It seems to me that they grow a little more slowly than some species/sub-species.... but maybe that's just mine!

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

adult females are around 22"-26" and males are 16-18", mine seem to grow just as fast as my red sideds and easterns

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

My female is every bit of 26, probably bigger still. She's 3 or 4 years old.

[Kelan]

Thanks everybody!


My pickeringii (red phase) are around 18 months old, and not sexually mature yet. It seems to me that they grow a little more slowly than some species/sub-species.... but maybe that's just mine!
Red phase!? I've never heard of those. Do you have any Pic.s?

[adamanteus]

Red phase!? I've never heard of those. Do you have any Pic.s?

Yes, they're in the photographic library.

http://www.thamnophis.com/caresheets/index.php?title=Photographic_Library

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

i still believe that red phase is puget x red spot

[adamanteus]

Reed, concinnus does not occur on Vancouver Island.... that's where the Grandparents were collected from.

[Kelan]

Wow! Strange, it sure dosn't look like the same species.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

hmm that is strange but who would collect a red snake an say it was a red phase puget rather than some other snake? well i guess the face does look kinda pugety

Reed, concinnus does not occur on Vancouver Island.... that's where the Grandparents were collected from.

[adamanteus]

hmm that is strange but who would collect a red snake an say it was a red phase puget rather than some other snake? well i guess the face does look kinda pugety

It's not strange at all, Reed. Have you never looked in Rossmans' Garter Snake book? The pickeringii illustrated in there is lacking blue (not much red either, but more closely resembling mine than the blue phase).
The reason someone would say it is pickeringii is because it is pickeringii. No other sub-species of sirtalis occurs on Vancouver Island, what would you have them say it was? If you were to dismiss a specimen from a particular sub-species just on the grounds of colouration, we would have utter chaos. A prime example being parietalis, both Stefan and I have parietalis totally lacking any red colouration, whereas Sjoerd and Udo... well, enough said!:rolleyes:

Most pickeringii in the pet trade are the blue phase, probably collected in the same spot or decended from the same wild caught individuals, this does not mean that all pickeringii are blue. They are not.:)

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

yea i guess your right, they do look pugety, i wish i could find some reds, i wonder what red x blue would look like?


It's not strange at all, Reed. Have you never looked in Rossmans' Garter Snake book? The pickeringii illustrated in there is lacking blue (not much red either, but more closely resembling mine than the blue phase).
The reason someone would say it is pickeringii is because it is pickeringii. No other sub-species of sirtalis occurs on Vancouver Island, what would you have them say it was? If you were to dismiss a specimen from a particular sub-species just on the grounds of colouration, we would have utter chaos. A prime example being parietalis, both Stefan and I have parietalis totally lacking any red colouration, whereas Sjoerd and Udo... well, enough said!:rolleyes:

Most pickeringii in the pet trade are the blue phase, probably collected in the same spot or decended from the same wild caught individuals, this does not mean that all pickeringii are blue. They are not.:)

[Kelan]

yea i guess your right, they do look pugety, i wish i could find some reds, i wonder what red x blue would look like?
Yeah, I was thinking about that.... :cool: