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aSnakeLovinBabe
01-28-2009, 07:55 PM
Well, yesterday, I decided to go ahead and tackle the home made garter food idea involving fish, vitamin powder, and gelatin! I am proud to announce that even though I pretty much winged it, it was a total success! I made two batches, and tried a different water method for each. Surprisingly, knox gelatin does not give instructions on how to prepare just straight gelatin!!! Only how to make fruit jello. How annoying! So I was kind of in the dark and searches online gave me totally conflicting methods. Most said do not boil the gelatin. So I did not. The first batch, I added the gelatin directly to VERY warm water and poured it into the mixer with the fish. The gelatin was instantly congealing in the hot water and I was concerned I had ruined it, but in the end it turned out OKAY. The second batch, I sprinkled the gelatin packets directly into the mixer onto the fish, blended it a bit, THEN added some warm water. That method produced a more consistent texture. So for my directions, I will be using that mehod.

Along the way, I took some photos of the process. First, the necessities:
I had:

-1 lb of Salmon (i took the skin off because it will get stuck, but don't -waste that skin!! cut it up and feed the scraps to the snakes!)
-1 lb of Tilapia
-Reptocal - a calcium supplement with other vitamins including thiamine
-Reptivite - a vitamin powder which also includes thiamine
-4 packets of knox gelatin, 2 for each pound of mixture
-Stainless Steel Scissors - much easier to chunk the fish with these than a knife
- A Smoothie Making Machine

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I started by taking the scissors and wearing rubber gloves (I hate having messy hands of all things!) I chunked the salmon and tilapia into containers.

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I then took out half of each container and mixed them into the opposite containers, so that each container holds half salmon, half tilapia. Following that, I took a teaspoon and added to each container 1 leveled teaspoon of Reptocal, and 1 leveled teaspoon of Reptivite. Each container is holding 1 pound of fish.
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I then began to run the faucet on hot while I dumped one container of fish and vitamins into the smoothie maker. I took two packets of knox gelatin and dumped them into the mixer on top of the fish. I took a spoon and mixed it around a little. Once the water from the faucet was at its hottest, I added 2/3 of a cup to the mixture and quickly turned it on. It minced up very quickly but was just a tad too thick, so as I was mixing it I would have to turn it off and stir it up with a spoon and adding tiny bits of water at a time until the mixer would consistently run without stopping up. At this point, the mixture was about the consistency of cooked oatmeal and was pourable, but just barely. The reason for adding water little bits at a time is because you idealy want the fish concentration to the gelatin to be as high as possible, because the garters will not get anything out of the water content, except... well, water!! As soon as it was a consistent smooth texture, I turned off the mixer. It looked like bright pink mashed potatoes! I then quickly poured/spooned it into small ziploc freezer bags, squeezed out the air, and stacked them perfectly flat into the refridgerator. The thickness of each was about 1/2 an inch. I left them there overnight, and when I came home this morning, I found perfectly formed Salmon/Tilapia Jello Shooters! I carefully allowed the Salmon Jello pancakes to slide out onto some waxpaper where I took a knife and sliced them horizontally, and then diagonally to create tapered edges that are easier for garters to start eating, much like the head of something is.
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I then portioned all of these chunks into freezer bags so that I can thaw one out at a time and feed all that day. Each of these baggies is probably a tad over 1/4 lb. in weight. This will feed my garter and water snakes for a month (I have so many! haha) or a bit longer really because I will alternate it every so often with some night crawlers or pinkies. This however, could be fed as a staple diet because it is vitamin/calcium enriched. This cost me about $15 to make.
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Before departing my house tonight for my boyfriend's, I decided to let Marcy, my female Checkered Garter be the taste tester. I had the boyfriend bring her out still in her favorite hidey and offered it to her. She wholeheartedly approves and had two pieces! I find the nice thing about it is that it's so easy for them to swallow, even if the piece is slightly too wide, anything that does not fit into their mouth simply peels away without them having to struggle! So as my departing picture, here is Marcy modeling (ingesting, rather) the completed product! I am very pleased with this mixture and I WILL be using this from now on! I hope you all enjoyed and I strongly encourage everyone to give it a try!
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anji1971
01-28-2009, 08:02 PM
Way to go, Shannon!
It's so cool to see how this is catching on. It really is easy once you give it a try, and the snakes do seem to like the stuff.
I used the gelatin with freshly boiled water from the kettle. It stayed liquid long enough to get into the mixture nicely, without cooking the fish!

ssssnakeluvr
01-28-2009, 08:13 PM
I boiled water and added it to the gelatin powder....worked just fine, although a few bits didn't dissolve, just pulled them out with a spoon and tossed them. then poured the still watery solution in to the blender with the fish and powder already in it and blended my salmon jello!!!!

aSnakeLovinBabe
01-28-2009, 08:21 PM
Next project:.... adding vodka to this mixture!!

Garter snake lovers party at my house!!!! Everyone is invited. Free unlimited salmon jello shots for all!!!

reptile3
01-28-2009, 08:33 PM
Next project:.... adding vodka to this mixture!!

Garter snake lovers party at my house!!!! Everyone is invited. Free unlimited salmon jello shots for all!!!


I am there!!! :D

ssssnakeluvr
01-28-2009, 08:53 PM
count me in too!!!!! :cool:

snakems
01-29-2009, 02:55 AM
how nice of you to take pictures of this process for everyone! :)

glad it was a success! :)

Snaky
01-29-2009, 03:57 AM
I tried this also before. My marcianus loved it, but the cyrtopsis and concinnus for example didn't eat it at all. So for some it was good food, while others would'nt touch it.

So keep us updated on who likes it and who doesn't ;)

drache
01-29-2009, 04:27 AM
far out, Shannon
planning to try this today - without the vodka
my friend who has the xenochrophis will help
little Caramel is a salmon kind of guy
here's one thing I'm wondering about:
the original recipe calls for trout with head and guts removed which leaves the rest of the bones in the mix. does that mean one ought to add extra calcium to the mix?
on that same note - when feeding this primarily, might it not be worthwhile to batches that are higher in calcium for younger, more rapidly growing animals?

olive oil
01-29-2009, 09:48 AM
Thanks Shannon, that was so cool to be able to see everything while you were preparing it!

jitami
01-29-2009, 09:54 AM
Made it, turned out beautiful, no one's eating... sigh... someday, they'll eat something... body condition still looks fine on both babies, so I guess we're ok. It's just frustrating. The salmon jello was rather easy to make, though and turned out very well! Thanks again Charles for brining this to our attention and all of you who gave it a try and reported back :)

crzy_kevo
01-29-2009, 10:45 AM
i have a question does the vitamin supp you use contain vitamin a or beta carotene because there is a risk of poisoning with stright vitamin a beta carotene gets manipulated by the body to produce vitamin a in a controlled way that it cant basicaly overdose this is why charles was told to use beta carotene

oh and congrats on your success with this shanon :D

charles parenteau
01-29-2009, 03:36 PM
Nice shannon .!!!Congrad.
As I said on other tread I don't add any much water in it because of the conservation,the food will not last long time in the freezer,frozen burn and ice ..Its kinda hard to keep the mixture in good shape...more water in it means more ice and snow in the zipploc!!!
maybe you should make a small quantity...help conservation.
we getting better on each recipe...

jitami
01-29-2009, 03:43 PM
Oh, and what I did was boil the water and pour it into the blender, turn blender on, add gelatin packet, then added fish chunks while the blender was on, through that little hole in the lid :) Seemed to work well.

charles parenteau
01-29-2009, 04:38 PM
Add the gelatin into boiling water and whip it until the gelatin is liquid then add the liquide gelatin into the blender to help the blender mixt.every excess of fluid as guts dont help the gelatin to congeal .
you dont notice the lack of gelatin until its ready to serve.gelatin is pure protein..its wrote on the lebel.!

Spankenstyne
01-29-2009, 07:08 PM
Good note about the beta carotene, I wondered why it was used vs just a mulltivitamin. Makes sense. Appreciate the tips on mixing too, will help with the next batch.

So far my one baby female marcianus is on it completely, and the male that ignored it first try I may leave on pinks + worms to see if I notice substantial differences in growth. Not really scientific as one's male and one's female and the male is a bit older & larger but still might show some signs within it's own self & growth rates. Basically looking at it as overall general look & growth.

aSnakeLovinBabe
01-29-2009, 09:09 PM
I fed a batch tonight.... every single one of my garters eats the stuff!!!:cool:

aSnakeLovinBabe
01-29-2009, 09:13 PM
oh and I must mention my female erythristic banded water snake gorged herself silly out of a bowl of it while the male hypo continued to try and boink her!!! He raised his head long enough to suck one piece off my tongs, but was still courting her while eating!!! I have already seen one definite copulation that lasted hours, and he is always right beside her, even if he's not courting her at the moment, he is just always along for the ride! lol!!! They soak in the water bowl together, they bask together.... young and in love!

the other male just hides... peeks his head out at me... lazily flicks his tongue.... hes like the old married guy who doesn't care anymore!!!

paclc1
01-30-2009, 11:10 PM
thats awesomely brilliant. the pics make it soooooo easy. Thanks!!

ssssnakeluvr
01-30-2009, 11:51 PM
most of mine ate it....one red sider didn't touch it.... my albino checkered scarfed hers down!!! will be making more later...bought some trout from Costco!!!!

olive oil
01-31-2009, 09:42 AM
Made a half batch. I can't believe how much they LOVE it. My turtles even enjoyed it:)
http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq240/oliveoilsnake/IMG_0194.jpg

anji1971
01-31-2009, 09:47 AM
It does make an awful lot! I made what would be the equivalent of a half batch, and I expect that to last at least a month.
Everyone but Sweetpea likes it, although she's always been a picky one. I'll keep trying.........

jitami
01-31-2009, 06:09 PM
Figured out the dogs like it, too :) I dropped a frozen piece on the floor and it disappeared instantly so I used a few pieces for a quick little training session :D

olive oil
01-31-2009, 06:37 PM
I think I'll try it on my cats, bet they would love it too!
For a treat.

crzy_kevo
01-31-2009, 08:41 PM
lol this stuff is being used for everything i placed a piece in the mouse tank to try and scent it but the mice ate it

jitami
01-31-2009, 09:21 PM
LOL! Too funny Kevin!

Snake lover 3-25
02-19-2009, 08:53 PM
lol my sister just got know gelatine for making cheese cake!:eek: so now i can make some too! i'll just make a 1/2 batch just in case but i'm excited! now i just need to get another type of fish!:D

jitami
02-20-2009, 11:41 AM
3 of 4 of my snakes out of their self imposed brumation and are eating as regular. All 3 prefer mice to my salmon jello. So far I've offered both together as my main goal was just to get them eating *anything* again and all have chosen mice, only one has taken a couple pieces after eating pinky halves first. Just an fyi update :)

charles parenteau
02-20-2009, 06:09 PM
Dont give up!! after few try They will love it!!!

jitami
02-20-2009, 08:55 PM
Thanks Charles. I didn't mean to sound too negative. I'll keep offering both for now. Once they're eating well later this spring/summer I'll offer a couple meals of salmon jello only and see what happens. I'm just not pushing it at all right now because I just want them to eat something... don't really care what it is :) 3 down 1 to go.

mustang
07-02-2010, 01:02 PM
could i use repti growth horomone horomones? theyre not growth horomones but i thought something similar when on the label it says "make evey meal a super meal" lol heres a link
Nature Zone Nutra Bites Vitamin Booster - Supplements & Medications - Reptile - PetSmart (http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3680389&lmdn=Reptile)

Snakeknot
07-03-2010, 07:29 PM
I'll have to give this a try when I get back. But first I have to get my two garters off live and onto trout and salmon. ( I'm anticipating difficulties. Maybe I'll be happily surprised?)

One question: Do you use the same blender for other things when finished? Like human food? The last time I used the thing was when I made nettle soup!

Devon

guidofatherof5
07-03-2010, 08:31 PM
Just keep it clean like always.:)

Selkielass
07-03-2010, 09:09 PM
You can find used blenders and food processors very cheaply at the Salvation army or other local thrift store if the idea of fishy residue in your blender bothers you.

Nettle soup?
I'd love to see your recipe!
Hmmm Maybe we need a recipe exchange thread or two- one fir Human treats, one for food, remedies and other home-brewed things we do for the snakes!

Snakeknot
07-04-2010, 04:56 AM
P.M. me and I'll give you the recipe.

Devon

Neo.Reptiliac
01-30-2013, 08:14 PM
I'll have to whip me up some of this too for mine.

guidofatherof5
07-29-2013, 02:29 PM
Thought I would give this thread a bump as this subject matter hasn't been discussed in awhile.

aSnakeLovinBabe
07-29-2013, 03:17 PM
I don't have any fish eating snakes anymore and I personally liked this stuff at first but its much easer to simply use the whole prey diet which I am a huge advocate of. Whole prey items beat meat and powder supplements any day.

aSnakeLovinBabe
07-29-2013, 03:17 PM
Also it needed to be a little firmer.

gibble888
07-30-2013, 04:53 PM
I tried it...wanted to make it really firm so i used lots of gelatin and boy.....was it ever firm. But my snakes wouldnt eat it ...maybe too much gelatin. And yes i agree with whole foods are easier.

Trevor.0386
07-30-2013, 07:01 PM
Awesome! I need to try this. But this ringin some Bells has anyone tried repashy carnivore meat pie on garters?

guidofatherof5
07-30-2013, 08:33 PM
Awesome! I need to try this. But this ringin some Bells has anyone tried repashy carnivore meat pie on garters?

I've never heard of it before but looking it up here are the ingredients.
I would be curious as to which species of sardine is used as the Razor belly (scaled sardine) is on the unsafe fish list.

Ingredients
Whole Sardine Meal, Whole Squid Meal, Whole Krill Meal, Pea Protein Isolate, Dried Brewers Yeast, Carrageenan Algae, Konjac, Carob Bean Gum, Dried Kelp, Potassium Citrate, Calcium Propionate, Dicalcium Phosphate,Taurine, Spirulina Algae, Phaffia Rhodozyma Yeast, Paprika Extract, Calendula Flower Powder, Marigold Flower Extract, Rose Hips Powder, Turmeric Root Powder, Malic Acid, Sodium Chloride, Canthaxanthin, Potassium Sorbate, Magnesium Gluconate, Lecithin, Rosemary Extract and Mixed Tocopherols (as preservatives), Vitamins (Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D Supplement, Choline Chloride, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Beta Carotene, Pantothenic Acid, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B-12 Supplement).

Trevor.0386
07-30-2013, 09:05 PM
From your experience is that the only unsafe ingredient? Seems to me that this could potentially be a great option as well as long as the sardines are a safe species.

guidofatherof5
07-30-2013, 09:16 PM
I really don't know but I'm sure many of those ingredients are not part of a natural diet for a garter. I'm not say they are bad but I'm also not saying they are good either.

chris-uk
07-31-2013, 01:08 AM
Awesome! I need to try this. But this ringin some Bells has anyone tried repashy carnivore meat pie on garters?

Why do you want to try the jelly when the feedback from members that tried it a few years ago is generally negative? The proof of the pudding for me is that nobody is coming out and saying that they've been using the gelatine mix for years and love it.

I've not read back through the thread, but I'm sure someone points out that the amount of prep time for a batch of this stuff doesn't justify the results. At the end of the day storing frozen whole food (bag of pinkies, bag of smelt, couple of trout fillets) in the freezer is no more difficult than storing the gel.

It would take a lot for me to move from a whole food diet.

-MARWOLAETH-
07-31-2013, 07:37 AM
I think I'll stick with smelt,mackerel and pinkies because they've got every thing my garter needs with no ffaffing required