Bored out of my mind.Posting old pics

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/14364DSCF0015-med.jpgcali redsides

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/14364DSCF0113-med.jpgmale flame rip

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/14364DSCF0108-med.jpgbaby mels from Don's giant female

[KITKAT]

NICE! Especially those red sides!

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/14364DSCF0034-med.jpgadult female blackneck I got at hamburg for $25 before anybody knew any better!

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/14364DSCF0133-med.jpgThis flame was green on top and a wierd solid red on the bottom.Only lasted a couple of weeks.

[snakeman]

Note that the head is completely red also.This would have been a screamer!

[Snake lover 3-25]

wow nice!!!:D

[reptile3]

Those are awesome snakes... love the Cali red sided

[Jack Neary]

How's the temperment of your red sides?
Regards,
Jack

[Snaky]

Some nice old pictures :)

[infernalis]

wow the flames......

[snakeman]

Every cali redside I have had was flighty and nasty.

[reptileparadise]

Seriously...I hope you get bored more often :D

Great pics mate!

[guidofatherof5]

Great photos!

[adamanteus]

Excellent pictures, Tom. Let's hope you get bored more often!

[Aundrea]

WOW Very nice pics!!!!! Thanks for sharing :D

[gregmonsta]

Good stuff :)

[crzy_kevo]

i have a question

how many years of selective flame breeding did it take to get that male 90% red

[snakeman]

I bought it off of scott Felzer.The parents were just regular flames.Sometimes you just get lucky.It looked normal as a baby.

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Montreal_flame_male.JPGFlame I got from Phil Blais

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/SNAKE2.JPGThis is the girl that started all of my flames

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Montreal_flame_female.JPGanother PhilBlais flame

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/patternless_flames.JPGbabies

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/DSCF0402.JPGCaramel albino eastern.I really wish this one lived.I think felzers died also.

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/DSCF0171.JPGsanta cruz garters

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/ATRATUS.JPG

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/DSCF0199.JPGFlame x erythristic the first one felzer produced

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/DSCF0206.JPG

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/DSCF0051.JPG

[crzy_kevo]

ok now i have an even bigger questing how the hell did you get a flames from blais he is canadian that would mean smuggling them across the border which is illegal

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/anery_redside_male_00.JPGanery redside

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/BNECKS.JPG

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/baby_garters.JPG

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/INTERGRADE_BLACKNECK.JPGeastern or western or both?

[snakeman]

They were actually sent legally.It was the worst experience I ever went thru.

[crzy_kevo]

im guessing a whole ton of paper work that took maybe a couple weeks to get processed

[snakeman]

I had to do the paperwork in newark ,nj where I picked them up.They kept sending me back and forth between these two officesthat were about a ten minute drive apart thru crazy traffic.All in all it took about four hours to get it done.

[crzy_kevo]

that is just ********

[adamanteus]

Small wonder that many people opt for a slightly less legal route!

[snakeman]

It was about 5-6 years ago.I am sure it's harder now!

[crzy_kevo]

oh for sure you problably have to have a zoo license of some sort in order to import them now

[brain]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Montreal_flame_male.JPGFlame I got from Phil Blais

So, Tom are they old enough to breed in 2009? I would be interested in a 1.1 pair.

[drache]

just found this thread - cool
very nice photos and snakes

[infernalis]

Heres some flame photos everyone has already seen.

Masubius from "Garterchick" Tina:D
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/Masubi.jpg
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/masubipink.jpg
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/masubieat.jpg

[snakeman]

All of the pics I posted are of snakes I used to have.My current flames will produce this year(fingers crossed).However, they will be het albino.

[snakeman]

Hey!Dekaybrown,Your flame and my flames are first cousins!

[adamanteus]

My current flames will produce this year(fingers crossed).However, they will be het albino.

Tom. Shoot me for saying it...... but what's the point of an albino flame?:confused:

[snakeman]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/3643Eastern_albino_flame_4_CB_2008_11_06_2008-med.jpgI am assuming you have not seen one yet.I produced the hets two years ago.Scott Felzer produced this gem this year.

[ssssnakeluvr]

James is not a big fan of albinos..... I have seen that photo before.....can't wait til I can get my orange to breed with an albino!!!!

[adamanteus]

I see. I dare say there is a demand for that. Not really my thing though, Tom. Good luck with the breeding anyway.:)

[snakeman]

Well ,Keeping a normal garter is pointless to me.I can find 50 of them down the street!

[ssssnakeluvr]

there's definitely a demand here.....they go quick!!!

[adamanteus]

Well ,Keeping a normal garter is pointless to me.I can find 50 of them down the street!

I'm not 'having a go' Tom... I'm just not an albino fan... I love how red Flames are naturally. To each his own, etc.:)

[snakeman]

I doubt there will be many available this year.If I get any i will probally hold them all back.I imagine Scott won't have more than a handful of them.He'll probally hold his back too!

[snakeman]

I was'nt taking offence.I have enough flames now.I want to have one of every phase of eastern possible.If you don't like albinos,Then you will really hate my blizzards when they come out 2010 ish!

[adamanteus]

Sorry Tom, but yes, I will probably hate your Blizzards! I truly hope that Garters never go down the same path as Corns... where these weird artificial 'morphs' are all the rage and normal 'natural' Garters are disregarded.
Of course it's exciting to find the odd abherrent coloured example...... I just hate the whole 'Creamsicle-Strawberry-Vanilla-Fudge-Snow Cone' thing. Maybe it's just me, but I love Garters as nature intended.
Good luck with the breeding though, I wouldn't try to force my views on anyone else.

[ssssnakeluvr]

I love them both, normals and morphs..... hopefully they won't go hogwild like with the corns....just too darn many morphs......

[adamanteus]

In my view there is nothing more beautiful than a 'normal' radix (for example)... well defined checkered pattern, light green interstitial skin, orange dorsal stripe bordered with black. I wouldn't want to change that by making it all white or all black.
If Garters ever down the Corn Snake route (heaven forbid!) I will switch to another genus of choice.

[ssssnakeluvr]

normal ones have always fascinated me...I remember looking in snake books at all the species I could find....I like the morphs...but want to work with normals as much as or maybe a little more!! I want every garter snake species!!!!! :cool:

[adamanteus]

I'm the same, Don! If I want variety I would look to ordinoides, where variety is natural. There is serious study to be done there.... why so much variety in colour and pattern, even within a single litter? It doesn't happen in other Garters. To me that's far more interesting and challenging that creating yet another colourless snake.

[infernalis]

In my view there is nothing more beautiful than a 'normal' radix (for example)... well defined checkered pattern, light green interstitial skin, orange dorsal stripe bordered with black.

I agree James, My first "love" (via picture) was a normal radix, and a normal eastern black neck and Puget.

My albinos came to me as non feeders, but have grown on me.

I will not deceive anyone, Snowflake is an Eastern, and She is going to be bred with Masubius my flame with the same goal in mind.

I can buy a lot of feed and bedding with the sale of offspring from those two.

The color variations offered by nature alone are captivating. Especially since I have only one species on my land, Sirtalis Sirtalis, the "common" eastern.

Just last summer alone, I found one with a cream stripe, one with orange stripes, one that is rusty with dark maroon spots, etc..

But it sure is fun to breed the aberrant colors and see what happens next.

My favourite lot, the "Gang" that are in my living room, the ones that get daily interaction, are all common, normal everyday specimens I found in the yard.

http://www.danceswithreptiles.com/garter/snowflake.jpg

[ssssnakeluvr]

I'm the same, Don! If I want variety I would look to ordinoides, where variety is natural. There is serious study to be done there.... why so much variety in colour and pattern, even within a single litter? It doesn't happen in other Garters. To me that's far more interesting and challenging that creating yet another colourless snake.
I love ordinoides!!!!!! such a huge variety of colors!!! I hope I can acquire some this year.