James look what jade's getting

[Rachel.dopey]

found these 2 little cuties for sale and as I know how much Jade likes them they are going to be coming to live with her when I go collect at the weekend

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d43/beam_me_up/IMG_2990.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d43/beam_me_up/IMG_3003.jpg

:D:D

[Scaley.Jade]

cos your the bestest ever ever rach

[jitami]

Aw, what a lucky girl :)

[Rachel.dopey]

well its the closest thing she'll get to a christmas present

[brain]

Rachel
What species are they? Nice looking
Michael

[Stefan-A]

Rachel
What species are they? Nice looking
Michael
Thamnophis sirtalis concinnus. Or T. sirtalis infernalis.

Actually, I'm not 100% sure. :D

[brain]

TY good lookers I thought Red Side which is what I want.
As if I need more snakes (Kings, Womas, Gophers, Milks and Rosy Boas.
I did make a deal with my wife more snakes she gets more cats (we now have 4)
Michael

[Scaley.Jade]

ye there red sided garters
dont know there latin name

[Stefan-A]

ye there red sided garters
dont know there latin name
Then they'd have to be California red-sided garters, i.e. T. s. infernalis. :)

[Scaley.Jade]

thats the one lol

[adamanteus]

Actually, they're concinnus.:)

[Stefan-A]

Actually, they're concinnus.:)
Damn. They should merge fitchi, parietalis, concinnus, tetrataenia and infernalis and call them all Thamnophis sirtalis rutilus, or "reddish garters". :D

[Scaley.Jade]

oi james msn now lol and did you get rachs pm

[adamanteus]

Yes, I got the PMs..... I answered.;)

[Scaley.Jade]

msn ? mr james ?

[adamanteus]

msn ? mr james ?
Jade.... I'm at work!:rolleyes:

[Scaley.Jade]

you actually work lol ?

[brain]

James
What makes the differance ??
"Actually, they're concinnus" and "infernalis"
As this is critter of my 09 wants.
Michael

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

concinnus is an oregon red spotted and infernalis is a california red sided

James
What makes the differance ??
"Actually, they're concinnus" and "infernalis"
As this is critter of my 09 wants.
Michael

[adamanteus]

The snake in the pic Rachel posted is concinnus.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...p/IMG_2990.jpg (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d43/beam_me_up/IMG_2990.jpg)

[gregmonsta]

I do think they are infernalis :rolleyes: not just because of the pics but because I was offered these Alan Francis lovelies myself ;)

[brain]

OOOkkkk didn't mean to stir things up "Infernails" it is. Maybe i should check with Alan on availability. I looked at what Scott Fetzer had.

[adamanteus]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//594/medium/P1010227_Small_.JPG
This is infernalis.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//539/medium/Tsc0001.JPG
This is concinnus.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d43/beam_me_up/IMG_2990.jpg
And this is Rachels posted picture...... It's a concinnus!:)

[adamanteus]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//539/medium/2007_0922today0105.jpg

My concinnus male, when I first got it.

[gregmonsta]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data/500/medium/cal_red_sided_gt.JPG

infernalis :D ...

[Rachel.dopey]

ok i didn't mean to get this tread into a debate was just showing you what jade was getting on saturday

[adamanteus]

http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/imth/xtsinfernalismokm307cu.jpg (http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/images/tsinfernalismokm307cu.jpg) http://www.wildherps.com/images/herps/thumbnails/garter_near_long-toeds.jpg (http://www.wildherps.com/species/T.sirtalis.html#infernalis)
infernalis.:)

[gregmonsta]

ok i didn't mean to get this tread into a debate was just showing you what jade was getting on saturday

;) no debate here :D .... infernalis they is.

[Scaley.Jade]

ok guys does it matter ?

[brain]

‘infernali” Blue on the body and head.
“concinnus” Orange on the body and head.

Do we agree?

[brain]

It does to me the wanta be owner

[Rachel.dopey]

i'm getting all confused now :(

[adamanteus]

http://www.gartersnake.co.uk/inf3.jpg

infernalis.... photo by Alan Francis.

[gregmonsta]

‘infernali” Blue on the body and head.
“concinnus” Orange on the body and head.

Do we agree?

My concinnus are special ... still ... I'm going by the second picture in the first post ;) and because Alan Francis would not sell concinnus as infernalis :rolleyes:

[adamanteus]

http://www.gartersnake.co.uk/concin1.jpg

concinnus.... photo by Alan Francis.

[gregmonsta]

:) ... you can see the ventral stripes on our suspects ;) infernalis.

[infernalis]

It does to me the wanta be owner

Michael, Get with Scott when the snow melts...

Alan is in the UK and it would be very costly if even possible to get a garter snake shipped overseas.

He can sell you an Infernalis, but he does not work with the red spotted yet. (Concinnus)

I had an infernalis, it passed away. Getting at least one more next spring.

Have seen several Concinnus offered on KS lately, but they were over priced and unattractive.

[Stefan-A]

Are we having fun yet? :D The red around the head and neck, and the dorsal stripe point towards concinnus in my very humble opinion. Then again, the pattern and the presence and colour of the lateral stripe and the colour of the belly seems to point towards infernalis. Again, this is just my opinion. I have been wrong about things like this before.

Frankly, it's no wonder that Rossman et al. wanted to merge certain infernalis populations with concinnus.

[gregmonsta]

inferinnus????

[brain]

Michael, Get with Scott when the snow melts...

Alan is in the UK and it would be very costly if even possible to get a garter snake shipped overseas.

He can sell you an Infernalis, but he does not work with the red spotted yet. (Concinnus)

I had an infernalis, it passed away. Getting at least one more next spring.

Have seen several Concinnus offered on KS lately, but they were over priced and unattractive.

Ty This is where i was going in the first place. Yes I seen on KS what was offered and didn't care for the look.
I’m to much of a purest. Never did care for the morphs (although pretty) always wanted to have the little critters as in nature.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

infernalis.
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/edgyexoticreptiles/DSC_2016-1.jpg

[Stefan-A]

Very nice one, too.

[jitami]

I'm gonna say infernalis... mostly cause it's fun to argue... but partly because of Jade's baby's ventral scales. They seem to be light colored where all the concinnus pics seem to be dark.

[reptile3]

very nice.... love the red face:)

[Scaley.Jade]

i tell you what they are for def when i get them and can see them properly i have a feeling there just bad pics and are what they are being sold as but we will see i collect them on saturday

[ssssnakeluvr]

the first photo was concinnus, the 2nd photo was 2 infernalis. waiting to get my first infernalis!!!!! got 4 concinnus :D

[ssssnakeluvr]

infernalis.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/edgyexoticreptiles/DSC_2016-1.jpg

nice infernalis!!! love the deep red color!!!! wo, when are you sending her to me????? :rolleyes:

[Sputnik]

the first photo was concinnus, the 2nd photo was 2 infernalis. waiting to get my first infernalis!!!!! got 4 concinnus :D

I wanted to say that, too, but thought I best not argue with the experts. :)

The colouring in the second pic certainly does seem to differ from the first.

[Scaley.Jade]

I wanted to say that, too, but thought I best not argue with the experts. :)

The colouring in the second pic certainly does seem to differ from the first.

the first photo and seccond are same snakes
there siblings lol

[karlh]

Are they Oregon red spotted garters?thier well nice