Rough Morning...

[reptile3]

Ever have one of those mornings/days were everything just doesn't go your way?

I didn't sleep well, got woken up 3X, at 6am, my hubby called. Car died. So take him to work, get home, get kids to school. After dropping them off, I had to go to the next town for Traffic Court. Find out, all I had to do is mail a payment in. Gesh that was easy!! Made my way back to hubby's work, picked car up, drove to nearest Auto Zone. Battery & alternator dying/dead. So I get a few min here to eat my lunch & say hi to you all!

Then back on the road to take hubby back to work. He will have one of his co workers bring him home from work, since he lives on the way here.

BTW, this morning, someone hit a deer on the highway, tore the front of his car bad, poor deer got hit in the head. BOY was there TRAFFIC. I am glad we left early.. or we would have been stuck in that.

Soooooo when I get back, pick up Gavin from Pre K, then I am going to take a nap... Daughter gets home around 3:30, she can babysit!!!

:)

[Stefan-A]

Almost hit an elk on sunday. That's the animal that's known as "moose" in North America. Moose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose)

[guidofatherof5]

:)Hang in there Stephanie.

[reptile3]

i am glad you didn't hit the elk... that would do some damage!!

Hubby is angry..there is a bolt that will not come loose!! I am staying inside away from him..LOL He hates to miss work, it looks bad on him. Since he is a boss.

anyways... cleaned viv's, gave them all fresh water, & food(to those who are eating) Misted everyone's viv's too!

Gee what else can I do...fed the cats. Hmmmm

[reptile3]

:)Hang in there Stephanie.

Thank You Steve!

[jitami]

Almost hit an elk on sunday. That's the animal that's known as "moose" in North America. Moose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose)

So if a moose is an elk, what's an elk called? Elk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk) :confused::p:confused:

Sorry for the rough morning Stephanie! Hopefully 3:30 will come quickly for you!!!

[tyflier]

So if a moose is an elk, what's an elk called? Elk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk) :confused::p:confused:

Sorry for the rough morning Stephanie! Hopefully 3:30 will come quickly for you!!!
Well, obviously, and Elk is a moose. Don't you know anything??;)

Don't bother...it isn't going to work...:rolleyes: He is always right, no matter what everyone else in the world thinks...

Sorry for your morning, Stephanie. Some days seem unbearable...

But hey!! At least you get to spend extra time with the hubby and animals, right?;)

[jitami]

Don't bother...it isn't going to work...:rolleyes: He is always right, no matter what everyone else in the world thinks...

Yeah, but he's fun to play with :p;):)

[Stefan-A]

So if a moose is an elk, what's an elk called? Elk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk) :confused::p:confused:
Well, it goes like this: Here in Europe we have this animal called elk in English. The scientific name of that animal is Alces alces.

Over there in North America, you have an animal called elk. The scientific name of that animal is Cervus canadensis.

Both are called elk, but they aren't the same species.

Now, what's really confusing to "some people", is the fact that there is also an animal called moose in North America. The scientific name of that animal happens to be Alces alces. Now where have we seen that scientific name before..

See, this is the part that's really, really confusing to some of our members: How on earth can one species have two different common names and how is it possible that two different species share the same common name? According to some people here, that's not possible, but it really is. :rolleyes:

Here's a link to the part on naming and etymology:
Moose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose#Naming_and_etymology)

[jitami]

Yes Stefan, but... what do YOU call the North American Elk (Cervus canadensis)? I understand different things can be called different names by different people, but I was simply asking what Cervus canadensis is called by those who call Alces alces Elk :) Simple enough? :)

[reptile3]

Are moose and elk from the same family?


yes
I will add to the previous answer by adding they're both members of the deer family, in fact, the two largest members. Moose are larger.




They are both members of the family Cervidae, which includes deer, moose, elk and caribou.

WikiAnswers - Are moose and elk from the same family (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_moose_and_elk_from_the_same_family)



I found that... Stefan, I enjoy reading your posts!:)

[Stefan-A]

Yes Stefan, but... what do YOU call the North American Elk (Cervus canadensis)? I understand different things can be called different names by different people, but I was simply asking what Cervus canadensis is called by those who call Alces alces Elk :) Simple enough? :)
We usually don't call it. :D Why not call it wapiti or use the scientific name?

Sorry about the tone of that last post, we're having a bit of a disagreement with tyflier and it was a bit of a jab at him.

[tyflier]

We usually don't call it. :D Why not call it wapiti or use the scientific name?

Sorry about the tone of that last post, we're having a bit of a disagreement with tyflier and it was a bit of a jab at him.
So...in North America, we have two different animals that go by two different common names, and that makes us wrong.

While in the UK, you have 1 animal that goes by 2 common names...and that makes you right?

OK, dude...whatever you say...:rolleyes:

Oh, and you can take all the jabs you want. It doesn't change anything. And, uh...who is "we"? YOU were trying to have an argument with me. Nobody else. Or is "we" defined differently in your universe, too?

It's nice to know that your moderator title gives you the right to break forum rules both privately and publicly.

[jitami]

We usually don't call it. :D Why not call it wapiti or use the scientific name?

Sorry about the tone of that last post, we're having a bit of a disagreement with tyflier and it was a bit of a jab at him.

Yes, I remember the disagreement all too well and knew that's what you were referring to:) Thanks for the explanation,though. I do appreciate it. Wapiti, huh? Nah, it's an Elk :p and a Moose is a Moose :p

Btw, we spent most of our trip to Yellowstone National Park a couple years ago searching for Moose(Alces Alces)... Elk(Cervus canadensis) were quite numerous. We did finally get to see one and I can not even imagine hitting one with your car... especially a car which is too small to fit your bigger vivs in :)

[infernalis]

While I was in Brasil to visit some years ago, I was in a small fishing village with my friends.

A snake crossed the road and Carlos shouts "Cobra"

Expecting to see a large hooded serpent I immediately looked down to see a small critter no larger than a Dekayi, and said that's not a cobra.

Only to later find out, that when speaking with a Brasilian, Cobra meant snake.

We had a good laugh, went to the beach and had a nice drink.:D

[jitami]

So...in North America, we have two different animals that go by two different common names, and that makes us wrong.

Where did someone say I was wrong? (Stomping feet, throwing a fit, and going back to read previous posts..... me wrong??? Not me... not ever!!!)

And yes, I'm playing with both of you... lighten up... :D

[jitami]

We had a good laugh, went to the beach and had a nice drink.:D

See, now that's how to solve a cultural difference... with plenty of alcohol :p

[reptile3]

While I was in Brasil to visit some years ago, I was in a small fishing village with my friends.

A snake crossed the road and Carlos shouts "Cobra"

Expecting to see a large hooded serpent I immediately looked down to see a small critter no larger than a Dekayi, and said that's not a cobra.

Only to later find out, that when speaking with a Brazilian, Cobra meant snake.

We had a good laugh, went to the beach and had a nice drink.:D

LOL Wayne you know how to cheer a person up!! I want to go to the beach, & have many nice drinks!!!:rolleyes:

[reptile3]

When I tell ppl I have a bearded dragon, most that have no clue.. they say
oh you have an iguana, they eat crickets right?

oh wait that is not the same.. oops i am delirious!!! YES I AM CRAZY!:rolleyes:

[adamanteus]

Alcohol is good! So are cultural differences. Guys, please let's try to be nice... for everyone elses' sake.
If you can't agree with each other.... why not simply disregard each others' posts?

I don't know about you, but I come here for my leisure time.... relaxation and fun are the name of the game..... Like Tami says, 'lighten up'..... it's just a deer/cow/horse type thing!:D

[Stefan-A]

So...in North America, we have two different animals that go by two different common names, and that makes us wrong.

While in the UK, you have 1 animal that goes by 2 common names...and that makes you right?

OK, dude...whatever you say...:rolleyes:

Oh, and you can take all the jabs you want. It doesn't change anything. And, uh...who is "we"? YOU were trying to have an argument with me. Nobody else. Or is "we" defined differently in your universe, too?

It's nice to know that your moderator title gives you the right to break forum rules both privately and publicly.
That's so cute. :rolleyes:

[jitami]

Ok, that's it, from now on I call them all cows :) I like cows :)

[jitami]

btw, how you doing Stephanie? Did hubby ever get the bolt undone? less than 20 minutes til nap time? :)

[reptile3]

Ok, that's it, from now on I call them all cows :) I like cows :)


Tami your a trip hon! James, deer/cow/horse type thing!!:D

I love coming here, whenever I am down... you guys & gals cheer me up!!

[reptile3]

btw, how you doing Stephanie? Did hubby ever get the bolt undone? less than 20 minutes til nap time? :)

Yes he got it off, I drove him back to work.

Son is home, playing Wii - Star Wars * he is addicted *
Daughter will be on her way home in 15 min, she has a key, & she can babysit. till the hubby calls for me to come get him. We will pick up alternator.

Come home, install that, & we are done! HOLY CRAP!! what a day!

[adamanteus]

From now on I call them all cows :) I like cows :)

I once head-butted a cow (in my youth), just to see what would happen....

The cow didn't seem to mind very much, but I was slightly less fortunate!:D

[jitami]

Mooooo....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/jitami/HappyCow.jpg

Ouch James!!! Why???

[infernalis]

I once head-butted a cow (in my youth), just to see what would happen....

The cow didn't seem to mind very much, but I was slightly less fortunate!:D


Tell the truth James, you wanted to "stick bug" the cow, and the cow head butted you for even thinking about it:eek:

[Stefan-A]

Priceless, Tami. :D

[adamanteus]

It was kind of a dare..... I was camping with some mates... we'd had a few beers.:rolleyes:
This cow was leaning over the fence, chewing and trying to look hard!:D So they dared me..... I gave it my best shot...... then when I woke up, I went home. I wouldn't recommend it.
I want to wrestle a pig too!:D

[jitami]

Alcohol explains everything doesn't it? Now pig wrestling sounds like fun :)

[jitami]

Hey Wayne... sounds like a requested activity for the world meeting! :D

[adamanteus]

Alcohol explains everything doesn't it? :)

Most of my life experiences are bound to it's magic!:D

[jitami]

I've heard about my life experiences that are bound to it's magic :confused:

[reptile3]

Hey Wayne... sounds like a requested activity for the world meeting! :D

now I am not going to be the PIG...LOL HA HA HA HA

[mtolypetsupply]

While I was in Brasil to visit some years ago, I was in a small fishing village with my friends.

A snake crossed the road and Carlos shouts "Cobra"

Expecting to see a large hooded serpent I immediately looked down to see a small critter no larger than a Dekayi, and said that's not a cobra.

Only to later find out, that when speaking with a Brasilian, Cobra meant snake.

We had a good laugh, went to the beach and had a nice drink.:D

I worked with a lot of Portuguese guys before I had Princess Hanna. They too, referred to all snakes as "cobra". One time, there was a little garter (I think, I wasn't back "into" snakes yet) and 6 grown men ran screaming down the streets of Perth Amboy screaming "COBRA!!!!! COBRA!!!!" as I went over to "rescue" it. I just picked it up and moved it to the bushes.

One of them, who was one of my favorite foremen to work with, explained why "all snakes must be killed":

(said with a thick Portuguese accent) "They bite women and bebes (babies)"
"Why do they bite women and babies, Manny?"
"They smell the milk."

...HUH??????

God, I loved working there, and I'm not being sarcastic.

And of course I wouldn't let him kill a snake, or anything else, but there's no fear of that, he'd have to get close to it to do that.

To ramble further, one of our jobs involved an overpass on the Garden State Parkway, and the area was (supposedly) rife with snakes, frogs, and other wildlife. Two great things happened there:
1. We had 2 onsite herpetologists during the active months
2. We constructed snake tunnels under the roads

I don't know how well the snake tunnels have worked out. I did however have a great time when I did get to chat with the herp guys. Myki was a blast, and there was another one.... Coo-Coo-Ca-Choo Mrs. Robinson, I would have "cougared" that boy if I had half a chance!

[Steven@HumboldtHerps]

Here in Humboldt we have the largest population of North America's largest elk, the Roosevelt Elk (Cervus canadensis roosevelti). This is one of 4 surviving subspecies of C. canadensis (there used to be a total of 6). The other 3 are the Tule, the Manitoban, and the Rocky Mountain elk. This tally does not include North America's moose, which of course is the largest of all deer. As for the European elks which are actually moose (mooses?), I can't really get into that nomenclature war.

I have to deal (okay, it's usually funny... not a burden!) with my wife's outbursts regarding the inappropriate usage of the word "buffalo." Kim just hates it when bison are referred to as buffalo. "Look at an African Cape Buffalo! Now that's a buffalo!" So! Are European Bison called buffalo too? Is this just another one of those common name conundrums? How can ya criticize it too seriously if it's a culture thing!?

There are sidewinders (old world vipers) in the Namib, and there are sidewinders (new world pit vipers) in the Southwest of North America. Uhhh, wow... like they both sidewind... uhhhhh...

And for all you garter freaks out there... Doesn't it get your goat to hear "garden snake" or the All forbid "racer"?! "Look! A Yellow Racer!" [okay, now I think I know what my wife Kim is talking about...] "Yellow racer?" ...suddenly the bile issues forth... "That's a garter snake fool!" "Lookie! A cute little red racer!" ...the choking bitterness reaches the palate... "That's a Sharp-tailed Snake." (Oh, some people hate being corrected; sometimes ya have to let the blunders slide...)

These common names are often a product of "Well, that's whut we-yall yoosed to call 'em, heeyuk!", and so right there you can see where "culture" fits in... ahhh! Cultural perception... I, myself am somewhat culturally schizophrenic, but that's another story...

Steve

[Stefan-A]

Are European Bison called buffalo too? Is this just another one of those common name conundrums? How can ya criticize it too seriously if it's a culture thing!?
They're called "wisent". Much like the issue of which is the "real" elk, this too is settled by etymology. "Bison" has its roots in "wisent". That doesn't mean that "bison" would be wrong, it just means that you shouldn't call them "yaks". Or "buffalo". ;)

[Sid]

Very well put, Steve. Been there...done that.

[infernalis]

Me, I'm a culture nut case:D

I try to absorb as much of it as I can.

Upon returning from the UK I found that driving on the left side of the road can get you killed here:eek:

So unfortunately I had to leave that facet of British culture behind.

[Lori P]

I don't know how well the snake tunnels have worked out. I did however have a great time when I did get to chat with the herp guys. Myki was a blast, and there was another one.... Coo-Coo-Ca-Choo Mrs. Robinson, I would have "cougared" that boy if I had half a chance!

ROFLMAO!! I just choked on my coffee. Stephi, you are a bad bad girl!!! That said, there's a certain young man in my own sights... sigh... oh, to teach him a thing or two!!! :eek::D

[jitami]

Down Lori, Down!!! :D

Yep, and Steve, I don't remember "the boys" catching one garter while I was growing up, everyting was a racer :) I now wonder what they really were :confused: The only one I even come close to remembering had blue stripes.. who knows... lol

[adamanteus]

The only one I even come close to remembering had blue stripes.. who knows... lol

Ahhh..... The Blue-Striped Racer!:rolleyes::D

[jitami]

You know I spent the better part of an afternoon holding whatever it was while the neighborhood boys searched for a suitable container and begged their parents to keep it cause it was so cool. I have no idea what it truly was... guess I'm off to the calherps page...

[Stefan-A]

You know I spent the better part of an afternoon holding whatever it was while the neighborhood boys searched for a suitable container and begged their parents to keep it cause it was so cool. I have no idea what it truly was... guess I'm off to the calherps page...
Where in was it caught? :) There are striped snakes in California, if it happened there.

[jitami]

Yeah, California, Monterey County... but blue striped snakes? I think I would have remembered if there were red as well, such as infernalis or tetrataenia... I'm really questioning this 30 year old memory now! :o

[Stefan-A]

Yeah, California, Monterey County... but blue striped snakes? I think I would have remembered if there were red as well, such as infernalis or tetrataenia... I'm really questioning this 30 year old memory now! :o
It seems to me that patterns vary less (the overall pattern, details will of course vary between snakes) than the coloration, so striped snakes is a good place to start. :) Maybe one of them has a locality with a blue stripes. :)

[Steven@HumboldtHerps]

T. s. infernalis would be my first guess, since that area is prime for them. Despite the usually red head, many come with the whole blue striping and blue ventral coloration deal..... This California native (moi) knows of no other blue striped snakes (except my blue Coast, but that's not the same); I think the closest would be the blues of the Puget, but I can't really comment on that area, as it is unfamiliar to me. Tsk, tsk.... :'

[jitami]

Thanks Steve. Infernalis w/blue but w/out red? Are ordinoides ever found that far south? Not a huge deal, just curious now :)

[Steven@HumboldtHerps]

I can't really elaborate on your 30 year old sighting; with Thamnophis, who knows what's possible!?

No, ordinoides is not found that far south.

Steve

[jitami]

I can't really elaborate on your 30 year old sighting;

LOL Yeah, me either :D Thanks for giving it a shot, tho :D

In all honesty it was probably only a 25 year old sighting, but that doesn't make it any more clear :D :o:rolleyes: