Male or female ???

[Mr. Nielsen]

Hi guys !
What do you think, male or female ?

http://www.rtr-total.com/fotoforum/data/507/85storhale-med.JPG

http://www.rtr-total.com/fotoforum/data/507/85tetrahale-med.JPG

[Beautifylgirl]

I would say male. But honestly I have no clue, but I did give first op. :)
Brittany

[ssssnakeluvr]

Looks like a male to me too. Pretty snake, I love the san frans!!!!!!!!

[abcat1993]

If thats a male I fear I may have a male too.

[Cazador]

Looks like a male, and not a bad example, but it's hard to beat a nice clear picture... and you really can't post too many pictures of San Francisco garters, anyway :rolleyes:. Beautiful snakes.

[Gijs & Sabine]

I agree with the rest, looks like a male.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Thanks for the answers ;)
My own guess is also male, but im not 100% sure.

[Thamnophis]

I go for a male too. But the picture is not good enough to be sure for 100 %.

[bio22]

Just wondering what y'all's rational for saying it is a male? Length? Taper?....

[Thamnophis]

The shape of the tail close to the cloaca.

[GarterGuy]

I'd also have to jump on the male bandwagon. As for why, if you look at the top pic you submitted, the tail doesn't really hardly taper at all after the cloaca....leaves plenty of room for hemipenes. You will, a lot of times, see much more of a taper after the cloaca on females. Question though? You have UnitedStates as where you're from, but the pic is of SanFran. Garters (T.s.tetrataenia).....they are a federally protected species in the US. Do you have some special permit to have them or something? Just curious, I'd love to be able to work with them if it were possible....but legally of course.:D
Roy

[Thamnophis]

That was what I also was curious about.

Is it not so that there are probably more T. s. tetrataenia in the hands of USA-keepers than the governement would wish? Illegally, I mean.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Thanks for the answers again !
I must have made a mistake, when filling out my profile... :rolleyes:
Im from Denmark !!!


Nielsen

[RedSided]

is it just me or do the males heads often look diferent to the females, they always seem to have smaller eyes and a different shape head.

[Cazador]

Males are said to have somewhat differently-shaped heads. Sometimes I notice a difference, sometimes not. Maybe you have a better eye for seeing the difference than I do.

I suspect, that there are statistically significant differences between the head shapes of males and females, but there is also a good bit of overlap between the sexes.

[adamanteus]

Males are said to have somewhat differently-shaped heads. Sometimes I notice a difference, sometimes not. Maybe you have a better eye for seeing the difference than I do.

I think that with experience you develop an eye for seeing the subtle differences between the sexes, sometimes these differences might be so small that they're hard to adequately articulate, you can "just tell" if it's a male of female.

[abcat1993]

Speaking of heads I wish my garter's would grow, it's the same size as it was when it was 10" long, now it's probably near 20 and it looks kind of awkward.

[adamanteus]

Speaking of heads I wish my garter's would grow, it's the same size as it was when it was 10" long, now it's probably near 20 and it looks kind of awkward.


You'll have to name him BeetleJuice!