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Garter_Gertie
10-26-2008, 03:08 PM
Maybe Boots will let us have an area for just recipes and we can have different recipe threads that are different catagories. Like this one would go in the above thread; it's one of my favorites and I'm making it today:

Cannelloni, From Time Life Books, 1968

Make your own cannelloni or use manicotti noodles like I do.

Filling:

2 tbs olive oil (or butter)

1/4 cut finely chopped onions

1 tsp finely chopped garlic

1, 10 oz package frozen chopped spinach, defrosted, squeezed completely dry and choppedagain; or 3/4 to 1 lb fresh spinach cooked, drained, squeezed and finley chopped
Note: There really *is* a taste diffrence using the fresh. It's more work than anyone wants to go to, but it really does make a difference.

2 tbs butter

1 pound ground beef

2 chicken livers - I omit

5 tbs freshly grated imported Parmesan cheese
Don't use Kraft! It will *not* taste the same! You can also use Asiago or Romano if you like a bit more bite to your cheese like I do.

2 tbs heavy cream

2 eggs, lightly beaten

1/2 teaspoon dried oregano, crumbled

Salt - I omit

Freshly ground black pepper

FILLING: Heat the olive oil in an 8- to 10-inch enameled or stainless-steel skillet. Add the onions and garlic and cook over moderate heat, stirring frequently, for 7 or 8 minutes until they are soft but not brown. Stir in the spinach and cook, stirring constantly, for 3 or 4 minutes. When all of the moisture has boiled away and the spinach sticks lightly to the pan, transfer to a large mixing bowl. Melt 1 tbs of butter in the same skillet and lightly brown the ground meat, stirring constantly to break up any lumps. Add the meat to the onion-spinach mixture. Then melt 1 more tbs of butter in the skillet and cook the livers, turning them frequently, for 3 or 4 minutes, until they are somewhat firm, lightly browned but still pink inside. Chomp them coarsely. Then add them to the mixture in the bowl along with 5 tbs of Parmesan, 2 tbs of cream, the eggs and oregano. With a wooden spoon, mix the ingredients together, gently but thoroughly. Taste and season with salt and pepper.

Besciamella:

4 tbs butter
4 tbs flour
1 c milk
1 c heavy cream
1 tsp salt - I omit
1/8 tsp white pepper - I omit

BESCIAMELLA: In a heavey 2-3 quart saucepan, melt the butter over moderate heat. Remove the pan from the heat and stir in the flour. Pour in the milk and cream all at once,whisking constatnly until the flour is partially dissolved. Then return the pan to high heat and cook, stirring constantly with the whisk. When the sauce comes to a boil and is smooth, reduce the heat. Simmer, still stirring, for 2 or 3 minutes longer, or until the sauce is thick enough to coat the wires of the whisk heavily. Remove the sauce from the heat and season with salt and white pepper.

NOTE: I double the above as I like white sauce. Also, jarred white sauce could be used here to save time.

Tomato Sauce:

I use the recipe recommended in the cook book, doubled, that follows; however you can use your favorite family tomato sauce recipe or even about 1.5 (3 doubled) cups Rago or your favorite can/jarred tomato sauce to save time.

2 tbs olive oil or butter

1/2 cup finley chopped onions

2 c Italian plum or whole-pack tomatos, coarsely chopped but not drained (Note: I don't bother to chop, but cook longer than the 40 minutes recommended and cook down the tomatoes, chopping them as they cook.)

3 tbs tomato paste

1 tbs finely cut fresh basil

1 tsp sugar

1/2 tsp salt - I omit

Freshly ground black pepper

Tomatoe Sauce: Using a 2-3 quart enameled or stainless-steel saucepan,heat the olive oil until a light haze forms over it. Add the onions and cook them over moderate heat for 7 to 8 minutes,or until they are soft but not browned. Add the tomatos, tomato paste, basil, sugar, salt and a few grindings of pepper. Reduce the heat to very low and simmer, with the pan partially covered, for about 40 minutes. Stir ocassionally.

Press the sauce through a fine sieve (or a food mill) into a bowl or pan. Note: I don't bother to do this.

Again, I double the above and actually use more onions than called for, put in a wee pinch of oregeno and add lots of garlic.

ASSEMBLING AND BAKING THE CANNELLONI: Preheat the oven to 375 degrees. If you're using fresh made cannelloni: Place a tablespoon or so of the filling on the bottom third of each of the past rectangles and roll them up. If using the manicotti noodles, stuff those puppies!

Pour a thin film of the tomato sauce into a "lasagne pan" - 13" X 9"? Lay the cannelloni/manicotti side-by-side in one layer of the pan. Note: 10 manicotti will go length-wise with four going 2 by 2 beneath that row:

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Pour the besciamella over it and spoon the rest of the tomato sauce on top. Scatter in 4 tbs of grated cheese (I use far far more than this for a crunchy top) and dot with 2 tbs butter. Bake uncovered in the middle of the oven for 20 minutes or utnil the cheese is melted and the sauce bubbling. Slide the bakind dish under a hot broiler for 30 seconds to brown the top. Serve directly from the baking dish.

>>>>>The reason I double both sauces is this is how I do it: Pour a thin film of the tomato sauce into the pan. Put in the stuffed manicotti and pour the remaining tomato sauce over them all.

Cover with all the besciamella, top with as much fresh shredded cheese as you like, dot with butter and proceed as recipe says.

My boss at GE was Italian 100%. I gave her this recipe(s) and it's now a staple for their Christmas dinner. It tastes way better as a left over and reheated! It sounds harder than what it really is due to the steps. But it is well worth the trouble.

Snake lover 3-25
10-26-2008, 03:10 PM
mmmmmm sounds delicious:D

Stefan-A
10-26-2008, 03:24 PM
Too complicated. If it has more than 4 steps, I'm not doing it.

By the way, this is very off-topic.

olive oil
10-26-2008, 03:25 PM
What time is dinner? :D

Stefan-A
10-26-2008, 03:26 PM
What time is dinner? :D
In about 20 hours.

Lori P
10-26-2008, 03:28 PM
Great idea for all you cooking types. :-) But you better make enough to share with all of us!!

Garter_Gertie
10-26-2008, 03:46 PM
Stefan, did I put it in the wrong forum? I thought I put it in the one *not* garter snake related... If I didn't, I'm sorry. Would you move it, please?

Stefan-A
10-26-2008, 03:51 PM
Stefan, did I put it in the wrong forum? I thought I put it in the one *not* garter snake related... If I didn't, I'm sorry. Would you move it, please?
The lounge is where we put off-topic stuff. It's in the right place. :)

Garter_Gertie
10-26-2008, 03:59 PM
Say, about the only thing I make that's less than four steps/ingreidents - please note I ONLY cool like this on weekends and eat this stuff all week. During the week I don't cook and usually go hungry.

Anyway... Cheese Rice. Cook up some Minute Rice - you got that over there? Then cut up some Velveeta to taste into it. YUM!!!!!!!!! If feeling adventurous fry up some bacon and/or saute some onions... And go to heaven! And/or toss in some blanched broccoli. TO DIE FOR! :)

I'm a slow food foodie...

Stefan-A
10-26-2008, 04:21 PM
Anyway... Cheese Rice. Cook up some Minute Rice - you got that over there?
We do. I don't like rice.


Then cut up some Velveeta to taste into it.Ain't got that. I don't know if we even have a similar product.


I'm a slow food foodie...Slow is okay, but it has to be along the lines of "Throw everything in a pot and boil it for 17 hours straight." My point is that it should follow the KISS principle.

Garter_Gertie
10-26-2008, 04:31 PM
Stefan, love. KIS I can handle... Eye ur snot stupid.

Otay. You say po-ta-toe; I say po-tay-toe. You say to-ma-toe; I say to-may-toe.

I'm a multi-procedured, non-baking, slow food foodie. Your not.

kbear
11-04-2008, 09:51 PM
Wow, I read the title to this thread and my first thought was "Wow, these people cut up their snakes and eat them?" Thamnophis recipes. Thamnophis folk's recipes. Big dif. :D
It made me laugh, but in truth I know you wouldn't do that.

Dude, I agree with Stefan. Your recipes sound delicious, Gertie, but my idea of cooking is throwing something in the microwave. And I usually am so impatient that I pull it out before the timer beeps.

Also, I love stir fry. Easy and fast. My mom used to come home from work and be mad that all I'd eaten that day was potatoes and tofu and onions. :)

Complete nutrition for humans: Dark chocolate!!!!!!!!!!! high in anti-oxidents. My main food staple.

HA! I'm such a slob. I'm horrible. I'll probably die of malnutrition in a couple years. Lol

kbear
11-04-2008, 09:53 PM
What is "KISS"? "KIS"?

Hornets23
11-04-2008, 09:56 PM
Keep it simple stupid....i think.

kbear
11-04-2008, 10:11 PM
Keep it simple stupid....i think.
AHAha! I love that!


I'm easily entertained:)

reptile3
11-05-2008, 01:02 AM
Too complicated. If it has more than 4 steps, I'm not doing it.

By the way, this is very off-topic.


I am soooo with you on this Stefan!!!

Garter_Gertie
11-05-2008, 07:01 AM
Well, it was just an idea in case there were others here that cooking is also a hobby of theirs. I totally enjoy spending a day in the kitchen on weekends creating wonderful, warm, rich entrees/meals.

Or not even that, what if someone has a favorite comfort food - like mashed potatoes with lots of butter and onions...

Stuff like that - that we like to eat.

Just thought it might be a nice thread for us to share something else in addition to books, music, pets, etc.

reptile3
11-05-2008, 12:57 PM
Well, it was just an idea in case there were others here that cooking is also a hobby of theirs. I totally enjoy spending a day in the kitchen on weekends creating wonderful, warm, rich entrees/meals.

Or not even that, what if someone has a favorite comfort food - like mashed potatoes with lots of butter and onions...

Stuff like that - that we like to eat.

Just thought it might be a nice thread for us to share something else in addition to books, music, pets, etc.


GREAT idea mk!!!:)

jitami
11-05-2008, 01:10 PM
Your recipes sound delicious, Gertie, but my idea of cooking is throwing something in the microwave. And I usually am so impatient that I pull it out before the timer beeps.

This is so me!!! My kids are almost out of the house and I'm still trying to master this cooking thing! Hubby went out to vote & stopped to get me flowers last night(aaawwww) and the neighbor happened to be in line behind him. Of course, the neighbor had to ask if hubby was in trouble and hubby simply replied, "Nope, Tami's cooking dinner!" A little positive reinforcement never hurt. lol

For anyone interested, this is about as complicated as I get... hubby and kids were quite impressed! Pork chops, dipped in egg/cream mixture, then into bottled grated parmesan, onion powder, garlic powder, whatever other spices seemed like they'd be ok, then fried in olive oil & served with boxed pasta mix & sautéed brocolli... it really was good :) Tonight it's hamburgers, but at least I'm cooking them here... I'm trying, really! lol

drache
11-05-2008, 03:26 PM
I used to like to cook
it may be something I could enjoy again some day
for now, Jeff does most of the cooking, with some cameo appearances by myself
I did teach him most of what I once knew and I still do soups and stews better
the thing is that he's vegetarian and doesn't like many vegetables; and Mikhaila doesn't eat any dairy (other than yoghurt and ice cream), no tomatoes, not many vegetables; after all that sleep deprivation I just really no longer had the mental capacity to figure out what there was left to eat
I am craving a red bean chili with beef and it really all needs to cook together - it's like an alchemical process
there's not much need to prepare italian food around here
we live in Brooklyn where I can choose from four italian restaurants within two blocks from my house - and it's not an italian neighbourhood
i'm using the term restaurant loosely here, as these are small places with two to four tables
for some reason I don't cook german food either, even though my mother was a fantastic cook
but christmas dinner is something I have done in the past years - just in order to escape the dratted turkey
for some reason nobody in Jeff's family can cook, and that's the only part of christmas I care about enough to put work into, because the eating together is what makes it a family thing (it's strange doing the jewish version of christmas)
so I make the goose, with the apple and chestnut stuffing, but the vegetable selection is quite different from my mother's
her's was red cabbage simmered slowly for two days with onions, apple pieces and goose fat; cauliflower cooked to death in a white sauce; boiled potatoes, salad
I do salad also and I do make my mother's fantastic cream sauce from the goose drippings and that does goes really well with the boiled potatoes, but we part in terms of the other veggies
I go for dark leafy greens, sauteed with garlic and a dash of mirin, ginger baked squash, the traditional american baked yams, and perhaps a fairly plain string bean or broccoli dish
gosh - I must be having an appetite or something . . .
sorry - none of it is italian
recipes available upon request

Garter_Gertie
11-05-2008, 03:40 PM
Rhea, some of your mother's recipes would be appreciated, if you have them.

drache
11-05-2008, 03:43 PM
Rhea, some of your mother's recipes would be appreciated, if you have them.
some I do, others my sister may
let me know what you're interested in

Garter_Gertie
11-05-2008, 03:47 PM
Well, ah... Are my choices just from what you posted? Else I've no idea what recipes you and/or your sister have for me to be interested in.

I'd like the recipe for the red cabbage and the cauliflower sauce.

anji1971
11-05-2008, 04:31 PM
I can relate to Rhea with the issues of trying to figure out what to cook when this one doesn't eat that, and that one won't eat this. When I still lived at home I was often expected to start dinner, and with a vegetarian, and various allergies in the house, as well as all the likes and dislikes for half a dozen people, it got rather stressful.
By the time I got married, I was thoroughly convinced that I HATED cooking.
Strangely, now that I have to do it every day for my family, and there are no allergies, and most of us are pretty easygoing when it comes to trying and liking different things, it's actually becoming a joy.
I've gotten into different ethnic dishes, and I'm really starting to cook up a lot of my grandmother's Ukrainian foods -- pierogies, borscht, bigos (a very tasty blend of cabbage&kielbasa baked together), and lots of Italian as well.
I've always loved baking, so there's never any shortage of cookies, muffins, crisps, pie, and the like, much to the delight of the kids, and the dismay of my waistline.:rolleyes::D

olive oil
11-05-2008, 04:46 PM
I would love to read the cabbage one. I have never let it cook for two days, or with anything else but bacon grease.

Garter_Gertie
11-05-2008, 07:04 PM
Yeah. Bacon grease. The staple o'Southern Roots.

My grandmother would boil FRESH green beans with bacon and bacon grease, and then toss in just a titch of vinegar.

And wilted lettuce/spinach? Oh gods, brings tears to my eyes!

True to my roots I've got a jar o'bacon grease in the 'fridge I dip into and add to; dip in to; and add to.

Food o'the gods! BACON AND BACON GREASE!

Garter_Gertie
11-05-2008, 07:05 PM
Maybe we can use this thread to discuss cooking and have a different one for recipes.

Boots?

olive oil
11-05-2008, 07:23 PM
That is some good green beans!!! Don't forget the ham hock :D

Garter_Gertie
11-05-2008, 07:31 PM
Zoe, the ham hock(s) go in the navy beans with some bacon and ONE (no more) onion...

olive oil
11-05-2008, 07:35 PM
No the pinto beans :) With onion and fried cornbread.

Garter_Gertie
11-05-2008, 07:40 PM
No pintos. And it HAS TO BE sweet cornbread!

jitami
11-05-2008, 07:42 PM
Ok, Gertie... I like the idea of having a jar o'bacon grease in the fridge to use... but doesn't the grease at the bottom get rancid? How do you know when to throw it out... or do you just not ever throw it out? Green beans in bacon grease sound darned good right now!!!

olive oil
11-05-2008, 07:44 PM
No brown beans :( I grew up on em.

drache
11-05-2008, 07:51 PM
it's fine to use bacon grease, but the goose fat is tastier
I'm not up for the recipe right now - too much typing
maybe tomorrow

Garter_Gertie
11-05-2008, 07:54 PM
Olive, they're navy beans - white. NOT brown. DAMN good.

Tami, never goes bad unless you keep it out on the stove as my grandmother did - kept it liquid. But she went THROUGH it like Grant took Richmond.

I sometimes pitch the jar. Because... Well... Cat fur flew, too much onion...

Yes. You put in bacon grease where you've cooked onions, eggs, whatever. If too much egg, well... After awhile maybe you should pitch.

I have NEVER in all my years of doing the comfort of bacon grease (whether my Gram's or mine) ever gotten sick.

But the thing is, I store up more than I can use and so - besides worrying about FLYING FUR - just pitch. Because I keep it all: flavored with Penzy's paprika, their garlic, their different spice combos; plain old onions; with butter... I keep it all.

It ssssssoooooo adds flavor to different things you're cooking.