Snaky's snakes...

[Snaky]

Like others, I thought about creating a new thread in which I can post 'regularly' updates on my snakes. So here it is

Since a few weeks I have some great additions: Thamnophis eques
cuitzeoensis. So I certainly wanted to share some pictures of them with you...
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_1060_klein.jpg
Not certain if he would stay or explore...
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_1062_klein.jpg
And a few pictures in the enclosure...
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_1063_klein.jpg
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_1065_klein.jpg

[Snaky]

And also quite recently, I took both atratus and hammondii together and put them in a bigger enclosure... This worked out great till now, it's the first time I see the hammondii that much. Only the atratus are a but skittish at the moment, because they were not used to people passing.So also a few pics of them :)
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_1142_klein.jpg
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_1144_klein.jpg
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_1148_klein.jpg
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_1147_klein.jpg
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_1067_klein.jpg

[Snaky]

And a few random pics....
Thamnophis cyrtopsis cyrtopsis
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_0125_klein.jpg
Thamnophis atratus atratus
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_0101_klein.jpg
Thamnophis sirtalis concinnus
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_0120_klein.jpg

[drache]

lovely, Hans
I'm starting to think we should have a section for member's snake threads - sort of like the best threads section
that way we can just go there and visit each others' snakes

I so very much covet your atratus btw

[Lori P]

Looove that last one!!!!!

(oops, you posted more since I wrote this-- I meant the last one in the first post)

[infernalis]

I like them all:D

[Snaky]

Thanks everybody :)

I like the idea, Rhea... but then again, the gallery can be something like that ( although I don't use the gallery to post my pics ). But still I like the idea of havind it in the forum.

[prattypus]

hmmm, those concinnus' look mighty fine. I went from three, to five, now bring here, I may have to follow suit and have "snake rooms" set up... So much for the home office.

[jitami]

Very nice Hans!!! Thank you so much for sharing!

[count dewclaw]

Beautiful snakes. Is one of the concinnuses (in the last picture) lacking red? Is that common?

[Snaky]

Thanks again :)

Yes, 1 of my concinnus is lacking red. I've not seen it much.. don't know if anybody breed them for this morph. I'm also not selective breeding him, maybe I'll hold 1 baby next year, but I'll see. I just like that they all 3 have different colors :cool:

[Thamnophis]

Those eques are great snakes. The other ones too, but the eques are very special.

[drache]

I like the idea, Rhea... but then again, the gallery can be something like that ( although I don't use the gallery to post my pics ). But still I like the idea of having it in the forum.
I don't use the gallery either because it limits my picture size to something really small
when the threads are in the forum, one can automatically see when new stuff has been added, whereas in the gallery one needs to go look
also - there are enough of these threads going now to make them a category
I've been thinking of starting one myself
they're more interactive too

[Stefan-A]

Very nice snakes, Hans. :)

[crzy_kevo]

very nice hans and ya that one connicus is kinda blue i love it

[reptile3]

Hans, very nice pictures.. your snakies are gorgeous!!! love the last pic of the 3 together.:)

[guidofatherof5]

Great group of awesome looking snakes! Thanks for sharing.

[Sid]

All of those look great, Hans. Nice photos.

[Snaky]

Thanks everybody for the reactions :)

[Snaky]

It's been a long time since I posted here. But winter is finally over and I took out my snakes on 17/01. On 28/01 I turned on the lights for the first time and already after 1 hour it was bingo for the hammondii:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4090_klein.jpg
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4094_-_cropped_klein.jpg
Then animals didn't shet or hadn't eaten yet. Only the temperature had rised till about 20°C during the day. In the meanwhile I already also saw matings in the terrestris.

Still from the mating, but the female tried to trow of the male :D.
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4083_-_cropped_klein.jpg

[Snaky]

And some pictures of the concinnus...
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4110_-_cropped_klein.jpg
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4112_klein.jpg
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4103_klein.jpg
Again a last picture to compare the colors:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4073_klein.jpg

[reptile3]

love the pic of all 3 together... gorgeous snakes:)

Congrats on the others getting busy!! nice pics

[infernalis]

Those are some very handsome animals Snaky

[ssssnakeluvr]

And some pictures of the concinnus...
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4110_-_cropped_klein.jpg



I love how red that one is!!!!!

[drache]

great photos, Hans
and congrats on the mating
I love those hammondii
and that is indeed a very red concinnus

[jitami]

Congrats on the early "action" :) Absolutely love the last picture! What gorgeous snakes!

[anji1971]

They're all beauties!
Great set of pictures!:)

[Hornets23]

Awesome looking snakes! I really like the variation.

[Snaky]

Thanks all for the great reactions :)

The red concinnus is from the Alan Francis breeding line.

[Sid]

Great looking collection, Hans and nice photos. Thanks for sharing them with us.

[Snake lover 3-25]

great pics:)

[misskris]

Love the last picture. :) You have a very lovely collection. Thank you for sharing.

[gregmonsta]

Lovely concinnus ;) ... hehe maybe if we're lucky we'll get to see that colour trait when Xena and Xerxes go at it :D

[charles parenteau]

Wow fantastic picture ,your snake are so pretty!! need more pictures :)))

[guidofatherof5]

Hans,

I've seen enough. I'll take them off your hands.
When can you deliver?:D

[Snaky]

Lol, thanks for the great reactions! When I have some time, I'll post some new pictures of the others to.

Today I will be going to the vet though. The orange concinnus seems to not be able to poo and have become very big since the last feeding ( couple of days ago ). So hopefully it will not be much, but going anyway.

@greg: Yes indeed, maybe it will show up in the offspring of your couple ;)

[Snaky]

Although my concinnus was sick and stayed at the university for veterinary, she delivered 8 nice babies on 15/04 :D.
So it was time to update this thread with a few pictures;)
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4283_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4281_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4298_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4293_klein.JPG

[Stefan-A]

Congratulations. :) They look great.

[gregmonsta]

Lovely little babies :D

[drache]

those are lovely
congrats

[count dewclaw]

Congratulations! They look great. How is the mother doing?

[Snaky]

Thanks all! I'm also very glad with them, because I was not expecting it :)

The mother is still at the university, but they say that she is doing pretty well.

[count dewclaw]

Wow, she's been there a long time. Was there a blockage in her intestines? Did she need surgery?

[Snake lover 3-25]

OMG!!!! ADORABLE!!!!! congrats!!!:D:D

[gregmonsta]

I wonder -If it is an intestinal blockage at the stomach exit then it could show a genetic trait after what happened to Xena. Hope they can fix your girl for you. Fingers crossed for her.

[Snaky]

Actually she is not that long at the university, 3 weeks now. She was treated by the vet for a respitory infection together with an intestinal problem. She produced a lot of stomach fluids without reason, but indeed it might be related with the problem you had, and it's thatefor that she is at the university. The treatment for the stomach fluids was Primperan ( a general medecine to make that the intestins work correctly again ). But apparently it's going better now that she delivered the young. Fingers crossed indeed that she will be all better again.

Thanks for the reactions :)

[Snaky]

Woohoo, I came home yesterday and found some very small terrestris heads looking to me... These :D:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4442_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4447_klein.JPG
These are the complete bunch, does someone guesses how much there are? (first litter, female is 2 years )
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4450_klein.JPG

For reference, mom and possible dad, I'm wondering how they'll turn out!
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_0099_klein.jpg
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_0093_klein.jpg

[Stefan-A]

Congratulations. :) I'd like to have a few of those one day. :)

[Snaky]

Congratulations. :) I'd like to have a few of those one day. :)
Thanks Stefan. You'll know were to find me on that day ;)

[adamanteus]

Congratulations, Hans. Beautiful babies!

[Stefan-A]

Thanks Stefan. You'll know were to find me on that day ;)
I sure do. :) Unfortunately I'm finally running out of space for real.

[drache]

congrats Hans, they are beautiful
and the parents are very handsome

[charles parenteau]

Very nice collection ,awesome pictures you haves . wow very interresting.

[Snaky]

Thanks for the great reactions!
Btw, it were 8 youngs :)

@Stefan: I have the same problem. I'm already looking forward when I will be moving to my own place...

And it's a real baby boom at the moment here, because now the atratus female had her first clutch. I find them very big compared to the size of the female. Group picture of the complete clutch:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4490_klein.JPG
and some other pictures:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4488_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4496_klein.JPG

I'm so happy at the moment, and it's not over yet... The Hammondii female looks like she's going to explode:eek:

[drache]

atratus atratus - congrats, Hans
those I'd make space for - wish you could send me some

[Stefan-A]

They look great. :)

[charles parenteau]

Congraduation!! very nice babies...

[Snaky]

Thanks everybody :)

[count dewclaw]

Congrats on the atratus babies! They look great.

[Snake lover 3-25]

congrats!!!:D

[gregmonsta]

:) good job ;)

[Snaky]

Thanks again everybody :)

[Snaky]

I think I can update again as it's going very hard here at this moment :D

On 10/05/2009 the other terrestris female gave birth to these little one's:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4561_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4565_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4564_klein.JPG
This one has a kink in his tail, but I don't think it will have a problem because of it... It's only at the very end.
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4563_cropped_klein.JPG

[Snaky]

And my second concinnus female also gave birth on 12/05/09. I wasn't expecting them as the femel didn't look gravid. In the end there were 5 live young, 2 stillborns and 2 unfertilized eggs:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4567_klein.jpg
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4572_klein.jpg

And it's not yet finished. Cyrtopsis and hammondii are still due:eek:

[count dewclaw]

You certainly have a lot of exciting things happening at your place! Congrats on the beautiful babies. Good luck with the ones yet to be born.

[Snaky]

Thanks and it's indeed very exciting. It's the first time I have so many babies of so many species.

[Snaky]

Today it was first time I had some babies of Thamnophis hammondii. I really like this species, the difference the difference in green and the small markings is so nice.


Compared to the other babies, they are huge. Aren't they cute? :D
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4579_klein.jpg
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4577_klein.jpg
Them all together and with a comparison to see their length.
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4583_klein.jpg

[Stefan-A]

Very nice, congratulations. :)

They do look pretty big, especially the one in the first picture. The one above the yardstick in the last picture looks about as big as my biggest vagrans. Probably a bit larger.

[drache]

healthy strapping brood
and cute - very cute
congrats

[count dewclaw]

More nice babies, congrats! :)

[gregmonsta]

They are all looking great ;) good job Hans.

[Snaky]

Thanks everybody:cool:

[Snaky]

I was on holiday for a few weeks, but I'm back now. I see I missed quite a few threads, hopefully I'll be able to catch up on a few.

Here finally the last snakes are giving birth, the cyrtopsis! I truly enjoy this species.

Some pictures from in the enclosure ( some of them were hard to find :D):
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_5817_-_Cropped_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_5819_-_Cropped_klein.JPG

A little group:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_5823_klein.JPG

The pictures shows 11 babies, but in total there were 12. I found one more a little while after:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_5820_klein.JPG

[guidofatherof5]

Beautiful snakes.
Thanks for posting the photos.

[Snaky]

Thanks. :)

[Snaky]

For a while I've posted only baby pictures, so let's update this thread with a small amount of adult pictures I've taken over the last time :D

My atratus male, the easiest one to take pictures off. He is always visible:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4469.JPG

One of the cuitzeoensis, they are very hard for me to photograph... I don't find that any picture I've taken so far is showing their beauty...
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4439_klein.JPG

Some of the concinnus:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4477.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4499_klein.JPG

On of the cyrtopsis females:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_4501_klein.JPG

That's all folks!

[adamanteus]

Great pictures again, Hans. I would like to see more photos of the cuitzeoensis. I have the same problem trying to get a really good picture of my sirtalis melanistic. The camera doesn't like the black!

[drache]

great photos Hans
your atratus is still my favourite snake

[gregmonsta]

That concinnus is really rocking that red :D

[Snaky]

Great pictures again, Hans. I would like to see more photos of the cuitzeoensis. I have the same problem trying to get a really good picture of my sirtalis melanistic. The camera doesn't like the black!
I think you might be right on that one. But I'll keep trying :D

Thanks for the comments!

[mustang]

simply amazing

[Snaky]

Thanks! :)

[jamromhem]

Love the pics. that is a lot of babies in a shortish time frame. :P I am just thinking about the idea that I might mate the new checkered I found in the back yard should she turn out all good by time she is old enough.

[Snaky]

Thanks!
I had indeed a lot of babies at a short time, it's because all snakes come out of brumation at the same time and they all mate a few weeks later. So I'll likely have this baby boom every year. :D
I hope for you that you'll have some nice babies when your checkered is old enough.

[Snaky]

Well, let's post the pictures again of the babies that were born recently :)

Born on 09/02/2010:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_9911.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_9908_-_Changed_-_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/DSC_9913.JPG

[Snaky]

But also I had promise Steve to post some pictures of my adult snakes.... The post does not exist anymore, but I still have to keep my promise ;)

First of all, in November last year I moved to a new appartement we bought. I now have a small snakeroom and here she is ( not yet finished :rolleyes: )
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzfVlbeJI/AAAAAAAAB-w/aPm7ei7Ug0U/s800/DSC_0223_klein.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzfrUYdBI/AAAAAAAAB-0/nmjK8k5DKok/s800/DSC_0224_klein.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzf-GIOCI/AAAAAAAAB-4/MwUkUuqQcK4/s800/DSC_0225_klein.JPG

I know, it's not big, but it's perfect for me.

[Snaky]

Then let's start of with a special species: eques cuitzeoensis. It's the first time that I like the pictures I took!
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gy7Kb12II/AAAAAAAAB-A/5CNkFqyan7w/s800/DSC_0167_klein.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzUV7sq5I/AAAAAAAAB-Y/LhgZBMEgusg/s800/DSC_0203_klein.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzU1rI7jI/AAAAAAAAB-g/vIrTFyX19FA/s800/DSC_0207_klein.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzU45g5JI/AAAAAAAAB-k/JbsKiJVg7m0/s800/DSC_0211_klein.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzwhIglNI/AAAAAAAAB_E/sb6O7S7eEx8/s800/DSC_0268.JPG
All three massive snakes together. They are definately bigger then the other species I have.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzVBZVp4I/AAAAAAAAB-o/9faRbQDAJwM/s800/DSC_0216_klein.JPG

[Snaky]

Then the other proud of my collection, the concinnus. So, anybody else that's also thinking the second girl is pregnant?
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gy6c7AleI/AAAAAAAAB9w/arF68VgTLmk/s800/DSC_0119_klein.jpg
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzMvwVl-I/AAAAAAAAB-M/vOpxaDa7cyg/s800/DSC_0173_klein.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzMsPi7LI/AAAAAAAAB-Q/CszozSaw-38/s800/DSC_0181_klein.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzf79bIYI/AAAAAAAAB-8/1HQjE7eTGYk/s800/DSC_0230_klein.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzw45vPEI/AAAAAAAAB_M/rT0qMx-TAFs/s800/DSC_0286.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gz7KphoGI/AAAAAAAAB_k/sI_BUCqoj0k/s800/DSC_0309.JPG

[Snaky]

Then a few pictures of Thamnophis hammondii:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzfRbSEtI/AAAAAAAAB-s/iOCSjxCEUE4/s800/DSC_0219_klein.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gz6w3sfcI/AAAAAAAAB_Y/Py5WI9KNicM/s800/DSC_0306.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gz6_OzE-I/AAAAAAAAB_g/TNCx8sytlFU/s800/DSC_0308.JPG

Thamnophis elegans terrestris 'red morph':
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzMbrTR6I/AAAAAAAAB-E/Up4QmUqdxd4/s800/DSC_0170_klein.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzw4y-zcI/AAAAAAAAB_Q/_d849tMMq7A/s800/DSC_0301.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gz7RgkulI/AAAAAAAAB_o/1IUC4dXJn-w/s800/DSC_0317.JPG

[Snaky]

Thamnophis atratus, posing as always:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzMmtaP0I/AAAAAAAAB-I/KcfCnkNcYyM/s800/DSC_0172_klein.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzUjf60AI/AAAAAAAAB-c/pqqMKnQiJMQ/s800/DSC_0204_klein.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gz6_sh23I/AAAAAAAAB_c/xOtXpsJe4Ko/s800/DSC_0307.JPG

And the hammondii and atratus showing together:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzwr6tomI/AAAAAAAAB_A/FoMpMYnQHXw/s800/DSC_0253.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzwq5SB4I/AAAAAAAAB_I/L5ZpxVj-T_Y/s800/DSC_0274.JPG

[Snaky]

And finally some pictures of young from last yeat. Thamnophis cyrtopsis, still for sale:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gy6pAergI/AAAAAAAAB94/oIrQAgxKpQA/s800/DSC_0146_klein.JPG
And the last atratus I still have for sale:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gzNMsrutI/AAAAAAAAB-U/bONnScqLoFA/s800/DSC_0193_klein.JPG
And a male concinnus that I will definately keep for myself. Just check out it's nice coloration:cool:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gy6qaoafI/AAAAAAAAB98/28EiGbEFd6c/s800/DSC_0161_klein.JPG

I hope that the photos were ok, Steve ;)

[guidofatherof5]

Very beautiful. Thanks for posting.
Love the eyes on the Thamnophis cyrtopsis.

[gregmonsta]

Burning red :D he's definately a keeper.

[drache]

is that dorsal stripe really that yellow?

[jitami]

Gorgeous, Hans! What a nice collection!

[Stefan-A]

Thamnophis elegans terrestris 'red morph':
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S3gz7RgkulI/AAAAAAAAB_o/1IUC4dXJn-w/s800/DSC_0317.JPG
I'd love to get my hands on this variant of the red morph. Absolutely stunning. :)

[Snaky]

Thanks everybody for the nice reactions :)


I'd love to get my hands on this variant of the red morph. Absolutely stunning. :)
Just ping me if you need the email adres of Steven Bol. He introduced this bloodline of red morph and breeds each year with them. I've seen that the young one's I have have this coloration, not even after a few months. So I think it's not a dominant thread.


is that dorsal stripe really that yellow?
Yes, it's nicely yellow. That bloodline has a more yellow dorsal stripe :)

[drache]

Yes, it's nicely yellow. That bloodline has a more yellow dorsal stripe :)
beautiful
you know that I love your snakes
and I meant to congratulate you on your snake room yesterday, but my computer crashed right after I wrote that sort of longish post
as much as I love being surrounded by our critters in the living room, since we've had these cats, I've been wishing for a snake room

[charles parenteau]

I'd love to get my hands on this variant of the red morph. Absolutely stunning. :)

wow this so nice

[Stefan-A]

Just ping me if you need the email adres of Steven Bol. He introduced this bloodline of red morph and breeds each year with them. I've seen that the young one's I have have this coloration, not even after a few months. So I think it's not a dominant thread.
Thanks. I heard last year that he had them and I've been considering the option for quite a while now. Sadly, I can't fit any more snakes into my permanent collection at the moment. :(

[Snaky]

beautiful
you know that I love your snakes
and I meant to congratulate you on your snake room yesterday, but my computer crashed right after I wrote that sort of longish post
as much as I love being surrounded by our critters in the living room, since we've had these cats, I've been wishing for a snake room
There are pro's and con's, as always. You have to go especially to the room to see them, which is the biggest con for me. But I like it, I have a seperate room for me were I can do whatever I want and it gives boundaries. Two big pro's for me. ;)


wow this so nice
Thanks :)


Thanks. I heard last year that he had them and I've been considering the option for quite a while now. Sadly, I can't fit any more snakes into my permanent collection at the moment. :(
That is always a problem, hopefully you'll get some room in the future :)

[Snaky]

Last wednesday 10/03 the other concinnus popped. The previous clutch of the other female was rather small, but she outdid herself.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S51Mw6x3vqI/AAAAAAAACFo/LxIYiSl1Hh0/s800/DSC_0511_klein.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S51Mw8rNvAI/AAAAAAAACFs/7kLD4kV94DE/s800/DSC_0521_klein.jpg
Anybody in for a guess?
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/S51Mw2WqBzI/AAAAAAAACFw/lFTCWt0g6Ao/s800/DSC_0524_klein.jpg
PS: I found 2 more after I took the picture :)

[guidofatherof5]

Congrats. Nice looking little scrubs.

[gregmonsta]

24 :rolleyes:...congrats anyway :D

[Stefan-A]

Congratulations! :)

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

25?! congrats!

[Mommy2many]

What a nice bunch of squiggles!

[ConcinusMan]

I don't recall ever seeing less than 20 from my pair, (pair now gone) 50 at most, with a few stillborns, but those are some darn fine young you got there. Nice and thick and well developed compared to the tiny little ones I was getting. Nice rich colors too, and nice variation, especially with the stripes. Gongrats! Nice going!

I have to ask...

Any hint of lateral stripes on any of them? I always got a few like that, consistent with the population their parents came from.

[Snaky]

Thanks everybody :)


25?! congrats!
Yep, 23 in the picture and 2 more found later :D


I don't recall ever seeing less than 20 from my pair, (pair now gone) 50 at most, with a few stillborns, but those are some darn fine young you got there. Nice and thick and well developed compared to the tiny little ones I was getting. Nice rich colors too, and nice variation, especially with the stripes. Gongrats! Nice going!

I have to ask...

Any hint of lateral stripes on any of them? I always got a few like that, consistent with the population their parents came from.
I've heard from a reliable source about the difference in clutch sizes depending on the area the concinnus are coming from. I don't remember the details anymore though, but I believe this is true. My clutches ( and together with me a lot of people from Europe having the bloodline from Steven Bol ) are small (<15 often), but the young one's are bigger and thicker. But there is another bloodline circuling in Europe and clutches from that bloodline are indeed always >20, even higher.

I'll check it better when I have some time, but I've not seen the lateral stripes yet...

[ConcinusMan]

That's what I've been hearing too. Small clutch sizes. Snakes collected in SW Washington State, USA or NW Oregon State have always had large clutches for me. For a large female (70-120cm) clutches have always been 20-50 count but the offspring are definitely very small and require careful tending in order to thrive and some always fail and do not make it past 6 months old.

By contrast, an adult T. ordinoides collected in the same area and measuring only about 50cm will have only 5-7 young but they are much larger than the concinnus offspring and tough as nails, and never fail to thrive. Small clutches always, and always large young.

The result? There are so many ordinoides to be found here. I'm talking millions. Can't say that for concinnus. I think that the concinnus have more offspring but lose many if not all to predators (birds eat them) and failure to thrive.

[Snaky]

Well, Like expected it took a long time for the next birth.... untill today!

I already thought so the last couple of weeks, but it was a very nice home coming with my first youngs of Thamnophis eques cuitzeoensis!!

Here are some pictures:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TAlVOlM5i7I/AAAAAAAACGo/-mEh9FM9kBo/s800/DSC_1114%20-%20Changed_klein.jpg
The whole group:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TAlVOiO5mJI/AAAAAAAACGs/HKW5N-P7WHg/s800/DSC_1116_klein.jpg
There is 1 very, very small one. I've not yet decided if I'll put him apart or not:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TAlVOxICt6I/AAAAAAAACGw/UfF1OizAG-8/s800/DSC_1120_klein.jpg

[bkhuff1s]

I'm liking the blue stripe.

[Mommy2many]

Very nice group you have there!

[BUSHSNAKE]

you rock! those are awesome

[guidofatherof5]

Great looking snakes.

[Snaky]

Thanks guys!:D

[drache]

those are beautiful
congrats on a lovely litter

[Hollis_Steed]

I really like those! Does anyone here in the US breed them? better yet, does anyone out here in the west breed them?

[charles parenteau]

AWESOME threads !!!So nice your garter snake!!

[Nir]

Beautiful garters!! I love those cuitzeoensis!

[Snaky]

Thanks everybody for the nice reactions:cool:

[Jeff B]

those are very cool, congrats!!!

[Snaky]

Thanks Jeff!

Today it was the turn to my second and last female of Thamnophis eques cuitzeoensis. A total of 12 young alive and 1 dead. I just love them when they are so small:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TBUiSZiwHhI/AAAAAAAACHs/Sc-fJqJr9I8/s800/DSC_1169%20-%20Changed%20-%20klein.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TBUiSuOCGcI/AAAAAAAACH0/0kSZOVy1vbA/s800/DSC_1173%20-%20klein.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TBUiSfIE1tI/AAAAAAAACHw/jkJk7ctSBJg/s800/DSC_1171%20-%20klein.JPG

[Stefan-A]

Real beauties. :) Congratulations.

[gartermorphs]

they are beautiful!

[Snaky]

Thanks guys:D

[guidofatherof5]

Great looking little ones.

[Snaky]

Today when I arrived home, I had a surprise waiting. The hammondii is bursting, but apparently the atratus decided to go first. So in total 10 were born alive and 1 stillborn.

A few quick pictures :D :
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TDIyM4D4q-I/AAAAAAAACOA/imNiJZWXKlY/s800/DSC_1850_klein.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TDIyNjlzgqI/AAAAAAAACOI/2XEA8bHmCD4/s800/DSC_1863_klein.JPG

The complete group:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TDIyNSWv3fI/AAAAAAAACOE/t2xsT8uKzJI/s800/DSC_1861_klein.JPG

[guidofatherof5]

Very beautiful snakes. Thanks for sharing.

[mustang]

cool

[Laura]

I want one of each!

[Snaky]

Thanks everybody :D

@Laura: Always possible if you visit a show on the mainland ;)

[Snaky]

Yesterday I came home and was welcomed again by a little bunch of babies and what a nice bunch it was!!! :D
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TDY9Sl7a8gI/AAAAAAAACOk/ApqYf4ylam4/s800/DSC_1901.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TDY9SiFQGHI/AAAAAAAACOo/l-VJVbTUM4I/s800/DSC_1907.JPG
Any guess how much it were??
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TDY9Sh_CMlI/AAAAAAAACOs/jaX85vE20ks/s800/DSC_1912.JPG

As you can see, she was a fatty, so I was expecting quite a nice bunch, but it was more then I had guessed.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TCOCTUdxT3I/AAAAAAAACKs/IMO67D50jbk/s800/DSC_1350.JPG

Then one of the elegans terrestris also had a clutch, but this was less good news. 7 undeveloped eggs and 1 live young, but it's a nicely colored one already:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TDY9Sw76o_I/AAAAAAAACOw/4xjrMO2eiK0/s800/DSC_1921.JPG
Only a pitty that it has a big kink in the tale ( as you can see in the pic also )

[ConcinusMan]

Any guess how much it were??
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KI7rJowg1DE/TDY9Sh_CMlI/AAAAAAAACOs/jaX85vE20ks/s800/DSC_1912.JPG

As you can see, she was a fatty, so I was expecting quite a nice bunch, but it was more then I had guessed.

18?

[adamanteus]

Beautiful new babies, Hans. Congratulations.:)

[drache]

what an abundance of beautiful babies
congratulations, Hans

[Snaky]

Thanks guys :)

[Snaky]

It were 21 by the way. Quite a big number :D

[ConcinusMan]

Hey, I was only off by 3. *pats self on back*

[Snaky]

Yep, that was a good guess :D