25 florida blues found

[memnoch1970]

i found 25 of these today under one piece of ply wood. i couldnt believe it. thats just the ones i could grab. alot of otheres scurried away. talk about an instant breeding project. got to luvvvv florida.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

you kept 25 of them?! holy cow!

[bsol]

thats a lot of snake grabbing.

[Snake lover 3-25]

wow!!!!! 25 under one board????!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!! wish IIIIII lived there!!!!!

[Stefan-A]

thats a lot of snake grabbing.
My thoughts exactly.

[infernalis]

A pair would have been better.

[duh duh duh]

A pair would have been better.


no doubt.

What are you going to do with 25?

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

no doubt.

What are you going to do with 25?

yes... please elaborate? did you take all 25? or did you just catch that many, count them all and then take two or three as keepers? I really hope you did not remove 25, but I am not going to judge because you did not state whether you did or not.

[crzy_kevo]

that is a ton of snakes under one piece of plywood problably a record too but i sure hope you didn't keep all 25

[Garter_Gertie]

They were prolly off to hide for awhile, you think? Don't know what the temps are in FL/environs, but their days are getting shorter, too...

[infernalis]

I usually go all guilt trip over just one:eek:

The last time, I wondered to myself weather I was a selfish monster for incarcerating a free living creature to satisfy my desire to posses.

However his name is Cheeto, and he lives in my snake room.

[bsol]

I'm thinking new litter...
litter? would that be the right term?

[Snake lover 3-25]

I usually go all guilt trip over just one:eek:

The last time, I wondered to myself weather I was a selfish monster for incarcerating a free living creature to satisfy my desire to posses.

However his name is Cheeto, and he lives in my snake room.

lol :D :D :p

[memnoch1970]

garter snakes here are so abundant. i can go to a couple vacant lots and find 6 or 7 on any given day. but to answer your questions. ive kept 8 females and 4 males. the rest were put back. like i said instant breeding project.

[brigitte]

you kept 12 outa 25? half

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

hmm, trust me when I say, that 1.2 or 2.2 is honestly plenty for a breeding project... I implore you to reconsider taking that large of a chunk? what will you do with 8 litters of babies? easterns have huge litters!

[memnoch1970]

ive been breeding snakes for 10 years, im well aware of the liter sizes. i supply alot of wholesalers with cb snakes to keep others from over collecting. these will eventually be released after i breed them . so everyone just save the negative comments. every single one of you own at least one snake. where did that snake come from/? ill tell you where, from a breeder like me or you caught it. either way your being hypocrits so save it.:cool::cool::cool::cool:

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

excuse me? I for one am not being a hypocrit... because I have never taken such a large chunk of an area's population in one shot. I am not saying that the occasional wc snake is bad.. its how all of our collections are built up over long periods of time. all snakes originate from wc, I am WELL aware of that, but it still does not justify takig 10 at one shot especially in todays day and age where cb fl blues are easily attained. I never implied that you did not know the size of their litters. I simply commented on their size. your response definitely was uncalled for, no one came on here calling you a bad person, so I am sorry but you are the only one who should save it. everyone's reaction was just sheer confusion of how many you took and why you need that many.

[Thamnophis]

I do not know what I would have done, but 12 newborn snakes that are removed from the wild is not as bad as it looks to my opinion.
In an area where they are abundantly present, they will have many predators. Most of them will be eaten by some other animal.
(I think that I would have held 2.2 or so, but who knows what he does in such a situation)

[Snake lover 3-25]

i think they were adults.....:(

[Thamnophis]

i think they were adults.....:(

In the case that they were adults, I would certainly not have taken 12 specimen, but 2.2 at the most.

[Snake lover 3-25]

yeah.... i wouldn't have even taken that many....... maybe 1.2.....

[Stefan-A]

In an area where they are abundantly present, they will have many predators. Most of them will be eaten by some other animal.
So not only are the collected snakes now missing from the local garter population, they're also removed from the food network.

[Thamnophis]

So not only are the collected snakes now missing from the local garter population, they're also removed from the food network.

I do not think that is such a bad thing. But I see your point.

[Stefan-A]

I do not think that is such a bad thing. But I see your point.
Fair enough.

[Snake lover 3-25]

yeah.... but i think that there's plenty of other things for predators to eat.....

[memnoch1970]

jesuschrist, what a bunch a drama queens. did you not see the statement i made about letting them go after i breed them. jesus you guys just hear what you want to. selective reading. i am well aware of collecting to much from the wild stock. every year i collect about 100 barking treefrogs, i breed them. which in turn gives me about 2000 frogs. which i then return 500 or so back to the wild. i have single handedly boosted ny areas treefrogs 10 fold by doing so. i am a very avid conservatonist. i am a 8 year member of my areas fish and wildlife member. i give speeches on captive breeding to boost dimished species. i also have personally released over 50 indigo snakes that i have bred because there endangered in florida. i paid for a permit to keep them just so i could breed them, to help save them. so dont friggin judge me ove a couple garter snakes. i have done more than for reptiles in my area than any of the stone throwers here will ever do.:cool::cool:

[bsol]

If you scroll through the post you can read and feel the confusion.

1st you found and captured 25 baby(maybe adults, we still dont know) Fl blues.

2nd you're keeping 1/2 - 8 females and 4 males(which if you're breeding that would potentially litter you over 200 baby snakes. Thats a lot of mouths to feed.

3rd and the most recent issue was the order of natural selection. Odds are 25% or less of those babies would even make it to adult hood.

So what if people are a little concerned. I'm sure there are posts on here everyday with beginner people finding a snake and giving snake ownership a "go" at the expense of the captured snake. You should appreciate the concern being a 8 year member of your ares Fish and Wildlife conservation.

Just my thoughts thats all!

[infernalis]

Just my thoughts thats all!

That's what a forum is, open exchange of thoughts.:D

[GartersRock]

The holier than thou attitude isn't attractive at all. :eek:

[Stefan-A]

The holier than thou attitude isn't attractive at all. :eek:
It's also an accusation that's easy to throw around, just like the Ad hominem tu quoque we saw earlier.

[Garter_Gertie]

So... Now NY is over run with tree frogs. But they can't live as there's not enuff for them to eat. The snake population will go up, and then crash when this guy quits putting the frogs out there. Then there's the foxes, eagles, birds, whatevers dependent on the snakes...

What program are you working with to save these frogs? State? University? That's pretty awesome.

I don't think, sir, you have any idea of the meaning of conservation. You're hiding behind that in order to justify your means.

Are there FL Blues in NY?

And someone as important as you, saving FL's indigos, must have some write up on this. That's really good you're doing that! Why has not the herp community heard of you with all the work you do with tree frogs and indigos?

[GartersRock]

It's also an accusation that's easy to throw around, just like the Ad hominem tu quoque we saw earlier.

Huh? Sorry. lol

[bio6464]

jesuschrist, what a bunch a drama queens. did you not see the statement i made about letting them go after i breed them. jesus you guys just hear what you want to. selective reading.. i have done more than for reptiles in my area than any of the stone throwers here will ever do.:cool::cool:
Who is this troll, and how/why is he still antagonizing a group that he obviously does not share the same philosophy with???????? Don't you have some "conservation" to do? :cool:
Jerry

[Loren]

Hi Memnoch. Rather than throwing out names, I would just like to give my 2 cents on this.
When you make a basic statement on a snake forum that you overcollected a large number of snakes from 1 habitat, it should be expected to get some negative remarks back. We know nothing about you, and the intial reaction we should have is that collecting that many snakes is excessive- because it is. The only reason to collect that many from one spot is if that spot is getting bulldozed soon.
In the future, you might want to give the full story upfront.
Furthermore, I have nothing against legally collecting an animal here or there- I do it too, but I firmly believe that those who want to sell captive bred should collect a few, then breed up a collony from that and work for there money like the other responsible breeders. You might think you are helping the populations by breeding those females, but you are also removing them from the habitat while they should have been out there breeding on there own- even if you do put them back. There temporary stay in captivity is still enough to decrease their chance of survival back in the wild. In the long term, you would help them out much more by leaving 22 of them alone and breeding up a trio into a colony and only getting new blood as required to prevent inbreeding. I am suprised that there is not a bag limit on snakes in your state.
I am curious about the indigoes though. Out of curiosity why would someone release 50,000 dollars worth of snakes, and is it legal for you do release them ? I know you care about them, but lets face it, that is a lot of money's worth of snakes(you are talking of eastern indigoes right?). I care about my natives too, but if I could legally sell captive bred for that kind of money, you bet I would. I know you have the breeding permit, but do they allow releasing into the wild? I ask because the law in my state says no releasing of any captive animals back into the wild, for fear of introducing foreign diseases.
Also, there is a certain level of respect that should be used when entering a forum as a new member, and you do need to work on that.
- Loren

Now, lets all play nice :)

[Garter_Gertie]

Loren, you're a better man than I, Ghunga Din.

[memnoch1970]

The holier than thou attitude isn't attractive at all. :eek:
friggin please. this is one of those little clicky forums, ill find another one with a more open minded approach to the whole concept of what im trying to say. good luck with your social club.:rolleyes: to answer you r question about the indigos. its not always about the money. my project is funded through one of our state parks here. the breeding actually takes place in the parks facilitys. i am personaly in charge of it. the snakes bred are then taken to diffrent parks throughout the state. and your statement about long term side affects are completly wrong. but im not gonna get into that. ive wasted enough time on here as it is. anyone in the tampa area is welcome to come see the project at ,sawgrass park in pinellas county.

[Garter_Gertie]

Good luck with your dysfunctional personality.

Don't let the door hit you in the ***, faker.

[Loren]

For the record, as far as "clicky" I have only seen one newcomer not fit in, and that is you. It is due to your attitude.

[bsol]

I'm a new dude!
look
<--- I've never even shed yet! hehe

[Loren]

And we like having you here.

[bsol]

Thanks! ;)

[infernalis]

Yeah Brandon your pretty cool and Loren your not so bad yourself......

That DK guy can be a real twerp sometimes:rolleyes:

[Loren]

Ah, your growing on us, slowly. :) :)

[Garter_Gertie]

Cancer grows on'ya, too...

LOVE YOU, DEKAY!

[infernalis]

And so do warts:eek:

[Stefan-A]

friggin please. this is one of those little clicky forums, ill find another one with a more open minded approach to the whole concept of what im trying to say. good luck with your social club.:rolleyes:
Thank you so much for wishing us luck. But I can tell you this: This forum isn't clicky in the least and you are welcome to stay as long as you knock it off with the attacks and try to keep it civil.

It wouldn't have hurt for you to be a bit more open about what your exact motives and credentials are, because we have had people here who for one reason or another have acted irresponsibly when collecting snakes and other animals. And you have to admit, that it does seem irresponsible to go around telling people that you've just grabbed two dozen snakes and now have an "instant breeding project".

[Garter_Gertie]

Stefan, for once you missed it.

"And you have to admit, that it does seem irresponsible to go around telling people that you've just grabbed two dozen snakes and now have an "instant breeding project".

There ain't no "does seem irresponsible" about it. It was. Period. "Goodnight, Gracie." End o'story.

[Hornets23]

I dont think its "clicky" at all. Just more personal than most.

[prattypus]

Sigh. I guess I won't tell you all I just grabbed 50 San Franciscos for an experiment either...

[GartersRock]

friggin please. this is one of those little clicky forums, ill find another one with a more open minded approach to the whole concept of what im trying to say. good luck with your social club.:rolleyes:

Funny... But we aren't. This is one of the least "clicky" groups I have ever been on.

And notice I never commented on your collecting of a dozen snakes. Only on your attitude of posting. I have WC snakes. We are an open minded group.

You once mentioned "selective reading" of others posts. Well try not to be selective in what you hear from us either.

I hope you will come to see that we aren't what you say we are and that you come to enjoy your stay here! :cool: