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GartersRock
08-02-2008, 01:40 PM
On my local South Texas Reptile forum a friend of mine posted this... Of course. I am getting the to SUPER lucky survivors!!
Here is a copy of the posts...

"A case of mistaken identity...

Unfortunately someone mistook this pretty gartersnake for something else. She came to us last nt. Very sad. After the incident she had 5 babies on Monday. 2 live and 3 dead. This morning when I checked on her there was a little tail protruding from her vent and I could see a head too. I waited but decided to give her some help. The head and tail were 1st out and when removed we saw that the baby had been chopped in half in the incident unfortunately. I definitely feel some more babies inside of her and have her in some warm water and have been massaging her belly. I really don't think she will make it as it is a spinal injury but you never know. She has some but not full control beneathe the 'cut'.

I'd like to thank the STR member who thought of calling us when he found out that this happened and who cared enough to help this pretty girl and her babies.

Here is a pic. You can see the baby's tail hanging from the vent:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w151/beardeddragonsaustin/July302008026.jpg

And a pic of baby #6 who must have been up high when her injury occured and finally moved down some. The hatchling was rotting inside her. Very sad. I am glad at least 2 of the babies made it.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w151/beardeddragonsaustin/July302008027.jpg

The 2 surviving babies who are little cuties and doing great!
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w151/beardeddragonsaustin/July302008.jpg

It's been a rough morning to say the least. I just need to keep in mind that sometimes these unfortunate reptiles find their way to us and we do the best we can.

The snake was belly up this am so on one side I did not have to euthanize her but I feel bad b/c I know better and should have just done it when I 1st got her as it was inevitable. The guy who hit her with the shovel should've just finished the job so she wasn't suffering (a little angry here). I think that even if I had removed the babies immediately that they were already dead b/c there are 2 more that were chopped in half as well when I opened her up. Remember that it was since Monday that the 1st 5 babies came out. I know, being an intensive care RN that she had no feeling and that the spasms in her tail were not a sign of anything to be hopeful for in this case since the spine was clearly severed as evidenced by it being visually misaligned.

This is all very sad. Rest in peace girl...little ones too.

I have decided to post pics of the disection just as a learning experience for fellow members. I hope no one is offended by these as it is not meant to be offensive. She had passed 'naturally' and did not feel any pain during the procedure.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w151/beardeddragonsaustin/July302008035.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w151/beardeddragonsaustin/July302008036.jpg

GartersRock
08-02-2008, 01:41 PM
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w151/beardeddragonsaustin/July302008037.jpg

This pic shows more clearly the 2 babies that were severed with the shovel and had begun to decompose inside her. She had 11 babies total.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w151/beardeddragonsaustin/July302008040.jpg

Thanks you all.

Amanda I think I may give them to you to care for if you are interested. I know you love garters. pm me. We could meet up at the same place as last time. I would love to have you over if you are ever this way! We had fun meeting up last time.

Here are the pics of the actual injury exposed

Showing fracture to rib and spine region on one side.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w151/beardeddragonsaustin/July302008042.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w151/beardeddragonsaustin/July302008043.jpg

Once the drainage from injury removed you can see how it was more extensive to the other side as well. The last pic really shows the injury well.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w151/beardeddragonsaustin/July302008044.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w151/beardeddragonsaustin/July302008045.jpg


Ok. Me again.

Very sad...
But very educational those pictures!!! i was SO glad she posted them!
Amazingly the female didn't even look gravid at all in the first pics...

So what should I name those CUTE babies!! Since they are SO lucky to have survived, I want to name them something creative related to this. Any ideas? I should have... *18* (you read that right) checkereds by the end of next week. Rofl!!! I might part with a couple...
But aren't these lucky babies beautiful! They look so big and healthy!

Stefan-A
08-02-2008, 01:45 PM
Very interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing. :)

GartersRock
08-02-2008, 01:46 PM
Isn't it? Was so glad she took pics.

lestat
08-02-2008, 01:52 PM
What a sad story but hope those babies are ok. Why did that stupid thing do that to the poor snake. It never did any harm to it.

adamanteus
08-02-2008, 01:55 PM
Very interesting photos. I hope no one does take offence at these as they are very educational, showing us the way in which the babies are arranged inside the female. Good clear shots.

Lulu Bennett
08-02-2008, 01:55 PM
That was very interesting thank you Amanda.
Hope, Grace and Benedictus (Latin for blessed) or Ben for short and a few name sugestions.
Good luck with these two.
Lulu xxx

reptileparadise
08-02-2008, 02:00 PM
Even though its graphic, thank you very much for sharing!

Zephyr
08-02-2008, 02:07 PM
Very sad, but educational.
Good to know there's 2 survivors to carry on ma's legacy.

Aundrea
08-02-2008, 02:09 PM
People can be so stupid!!! Its so sad but gosh im so glad that them 2 babies are alive and well and you get to have them :D Its sure is a sad pic but its something we all can learn from.

GartersRock
08-02-2008, 02:16 PM
Yes, I knew it may offend some people. But I think it was important I post them here so we can all learn from the tragic story and their deaths will have meant something.

If these offend anyone. I did warn you in the title. ;)

crzy_kevo
08-02-2008, 02:26 PM
what a sad storyglad you shared this with us amanda and i hope those babies do well in your care

Zephyr
08-02-2008, 02:32 PM
Yes, I knew it may offend some people. But I think it was important I post them here so we can all learn from the tragic story and their deaths will have meant something.

If these offend anyone. I did warn you in the title. ;)I hate it when people say pictures will offend others. I think the proper term should be disgust. x.x

Stefan-A
08-02-2008, 02:35 PM
I actually hate it when people are offended by pictures. But being disgusted is okay, in my opinion.

adamanteus
08-02-2008, 02:40 PM
Personally, I was more offended and disgusted by what had been done to this snake, than I was the the pictures. Whilst graphic, I believe them to be interesting and useful to us. I'm glad Amanda posted them.

Lori P
08-02-2008, 02:57 PM
Amanda, what a heartbreaking and probably all too common story. I'm so glad you're getting the two babies and that they'll be with someone who truly cares for them.

I found the pics fascinating, and very, very educational.

GartersRock
08-02-2008, 03:17 PM
Glad you guys appreciated it! ;)

GartersRock
08-02-2008, 03:19 PM
I hate it when people say pictures will offend others. I think the proper term should be disgust. x.x

You hate that *I* said it might offend people? Well. I don't think people should let it offend them. But some people do.
People who would complain about these pictures being posted are usually more then grossed out.

Personally. These pictures didn't offend or disgust me. As James said, I am offended and disgusted at what was done to the snake in the first place.

Sid
08-02-2008, 03:20 PM
Amanda, it is terrible about how un-informed people treat snakes. I'm glad you are taking the survisors and know they will get the best of care. Good luck and thank you for sharing this with us.

Garter_Gertie
08-02-2008, 03:20 PM
Lulu, great names. I love them; very appropriate.

Yes, the pictures were graphic and I took no offense. I am offended by the stupid.

I've had just a crappy week. And I'm sitting here crying over someone I'll never know but hate and the pain s/he caused nature, sweet creatures and me.

You know, I never knew when I came here it would be more than 'fun and games' with "pet" snakes. I hate the reality I'm learning, but yet am also thankful for it because I'm learning that - even as a recent devote - I've a place and a calling. Life to me, in all forms, is so damn precious.

why can't stupids learn?

GartersRock
08-02-2008, 03:21 PM
Those are great names Lulu!

jitami
08-03-2008, 05:46 PM
How very sad... sigh... Amanda, thank you for sharing the story and pictures. Please thank the original poster for her thoughtful care of both momma and babies. Good luck with the two little survivors. I know they'll be in good hands.

ssssnakeluvr
08-03-2008, 05:54 PM
sad story....nice photos.....not offended here...just ticked off at the idiots that did that to her....I can hit people with animal cruelty charges here...or the state wildlife officers can charge them!!!

aSnakeLovinBabe
08-03-2008, 07:10 PM
wow, thats horrible... but at the same time at least shes not suffering anymore. no one should be offended by these, they are educational!

Jack Neary
08-03-2008, 07:10 PM
Yes, I knew it may offend some people. But I think it was important I post them here so we can all learn from the tragic story and their deaths will have meant something.

If these offend anyone. I did warn you in the title. ;)

Excellent post, Amanda! Very well done! Glad to see at least some good came from the experience!
Where would those 2 babies be now if you were not around???
Great and Commendable Work!!:):)
Regards,
Jack

infernalis
08-03-2008, 07:13 PM
Ditto what Jack said......

Hornets23
08-03-2008, 09:58 PM
What amazes me is how many people out there see a perfectly harmless snake and reach for the garden hoe. I guess a lot of it is out of fear and ignorance but I wish that everyone could at least APPRECIATE the value and benefits of having snakes around, even if they may never grow to love them as we all do.

GartersRock
08-07-2008, 03:38 PM
I thanked the original poster for you guys! Will be getting them in the next couple of days... So pics? ;)

jitami
08-07-2008, 03:45 PM
So pics? ;)

Nah... getting kinda tired of pics myself... :p

Charlet_2007
08-07-2008, 08:38 PM
id name the mom Nevaeh (pronounced nu-va-uh) .... its heaven backwards.. because that's wheres she at right now.. poor little mommy.. congrats on the babies.. and good luck with them..