redecorated

[crzy_kevo]

ok so i finally got off my lazy bum and get some fake plants for the snake enclosure i even added a green branch to the buckets enclosure that preggers is in and i think she likes it cuz it hides the back end of her hide
anyways on to pics
left side
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3621/picture092cj3.jpg
right side
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3919/picture093yj9.jpg
full front
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8568/picture094lz4.jpg
preggers' home
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3179/picture088kq0.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9029/picture090mo4.jpg

[crzy_kevo]

and some random shots including a cute one of the 2 girls from a week ago that i was too lazy to post
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6740/picture095cq4.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9903/picture086hi0.jpg
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/17/picture096st2.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/333/picture060rt8.jpg

anyways thats all for now tell me what you think :D

[Garter_Gertie]

kevie, forgive typing. i have a usual MONSTER boy sound asleep, dead to the world, against my chest. gods love the human heart!

i love you, your sincerty, enthusian, persaveranve, and love for the species. you are so special and wonderful. i reallr=y likre yiou

[crzy_kevo]

lol gertie your right you can't type worth $hit when you got that monster on you :D
but thank you gertie your really cool yourself i like your occasional(or not so occasional) crazy happy rants :D

[anji1971]

Nice pics of the two girls! The tank looks nice too, Kevin.
I'm surprised at how well a Tim Horton's bucket makes a temporary home. Doesn't look half bad!;)

[crzy_kevo]

correction 2 timmy's buckets
ya they used to hold the chocolate icing that goes on the donuts

but i hate looking at her in there she looks so lonely :(

[crzy_kevo]

oh and anji thanks for the suction cup idea to hang the branches

[anji1971]

correction 2 timmy's buckets
ya they used to hold the chocolate icing that goes on the donuts

but i hate looking at her in there she looks so lonely :(

I used to be the girl who put the chocolate icing on the donuts...........a-waaaaaaaaaaayyy back when.;)
Don't worry, she won't be lonely for long. From what you've told me lately, she should be ready to give birth very soon, and then she'll be able to live with other snakes again.

[crzy_kevo]

yup oh ya speaking of other snakes altho i am going to keep 2 males from the litter i was wondering if you would like to mate goerge with one of your baby males when they are old enough

[anji1971]

As much as I like George, I don't think I'm going to be into breeding for quite some time. For starters, it's not something I feel I'm ready for, and I definitely don't have the time, money or necessary set-up for it.
Someday down the road maybe. I'm not really sure if I'd even be able to find takers for too many babies here in Canada. Without being able to ship them easily outside of this country, it's probably not a big enough market, unless you can invest in something really unique.
If I ever do try, it would only be to get melanistic, or flame.

[crzy_kevo]

well im looking to try and get babies that have georges' rusty body and that high red on the sides

[anji1971]

Just don't rush it, Kev.
Breeding is a big undertaking. I've become pretty comfy with my snakes, but I still don't want to attempt brumation and breeding.
Although by the time your soon to arrive babies grow big enough, you should be prepared fairly well. I'm just not that confident for myself!

[crzy_kevo]

i understand :)

would be an interesting project eventually

[anji1971]

Definitely. And hopefully someday there will be more demand for them here. One of my bigger concerns is being left with a pile of babies you can't sell or trade, and you really don't want to release all those captive born and bred babies out into the wild. It could get out of control very easily.

[infernalis]

"Breeding is a big undertaking"

I'm sorry but she was already gravid. Breeding would constitute the placing of a male with a female with the intent to produce offspring.

This is more of an observed birthing.

BTW Kev, I surely hope that stero is never turned on, the vibrations from the speakers is not good.

The snakes may be deaf in a sense, but that woofer will stress the living dog doo out of your snake.

[zooplan]

@Kev
thank you for sharing the picture of the bucket,
I´ve never seen a tank like that before.
@ Wayne
we had a big discussion about the meaning of the correlate to "breed" in Germany especially the meaning for garter keepers in comparrison to (maybe) the word "increase".

This is my result:
A breed has the aim to get better offspring than the forefathers were,
so you should reproduce for some generations or be part of such a project untill you can really claim to be a breeder.

BTW: German and English words often have a different spectrum of meanings so I can´t allway find the best translation for my thoughts

[Stefan-A]

In Finnish we often use different words for breeding and simply having animals reproduce. Breeding would imply that you have a programme of some sort, which isn't the case when you just have them reproduce, even if you are trying to produce a morph by combining traits.

But people do quite often use the word "breed" to describe having an animal produce offspring. But in this case, I definitely wouldn't call it breeding.

[drache]

nice pics, Kevin
was it hard to cut the window into that bucket?


In Finnish we often use different words for breeding and simply having animals reproduce. Breeding would imply that you have a programme of some sort, which isn't the case when you just have them reproduce, even if you are trying to produce a morph by combining traits.

But people do quite often use the word "breed" to describe having an animal produce offspring. But in this case, I definitely wouldn't call it breeding.

here the word breeder has a wide range of meanings
it can even refer to humans that can't control their reproductive urges for long enough to use birth control, or even by gay people to refer to heterosexuals
I don't think serious breeders (with a plan) are differentiated here and it's possible that they're only a small percentage of those who "breed" in a more general sense
even people that are considered professional breeders don't necessarily have what I think of as an ethical approach - many of them are just into making a buck whichever way they can
it doesn't help that we live in a disposable culture and people are not encouraged to think about what becomes of their stuff down the line
by extension (and habit) that often gets applied to live beings
sorry about the small rant

[anji1971]

"Breeding is a big undertaking"

I'm sorry but she was already gravid. Breeding would constitute the placing of a male with a female with the intent to produce offspring.

This is more of an observed birthing.


The statement about breeding being a big undertaking was in reference to Kevin's long-term plans to actually breed some. Not about the gravid female he already has.

[adamanteus]

To me, a 'breeder' would be someone who was producing snakes (or whatever) in large numbers for resale and profit, and may not even have a particular interest in the genus. Although I have a growing collection of Garters and I hope some of them will reproduce in my care, I wouldn't ever want to be thought of as 'a breeder'.
I would consider it a derogatory term.

[drache]

now that you put it this way . . .
it is true (exceptions apply) that the most vibrant animals I see, are the ones raised by dedicated "hobbyists" who don't have huge quantities of breeding stock, but a small group of well cared for choice animals

[crzy_kevo]

@anji and wayne what anji is is right i don't call letting a wc gravid girl give birth in my care breeding however i do plan on breeding george for her color in maybe 2 years or so. and also if the radio is ever on its not on loud and the sub is usually turned off.

@rhea it wasn't difficult to cut out the window i have a really sharp pocket knife
the difficult part was cutting through the top with the thick ridges what i did was mark the spot i needed to cut with a mark then gave it a goo wack with one of my decorative swords (was like a hot knife through butter) then i used my knife to cut through the rest of it pics below of the thick ridge part
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/4265/picture098pn6.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5907/picture097gm5.jpg

[crzy_kevo]

oh and i have a turkey thermometer in the bottom to measure the temp from the outside i just poked a hole with my awl then stick it in there the tank stays at a cozy 76-78 degrees

[Aundrea]

That is a really neat setup!! I really like it and you did a great job :D

[crzy_kevo]

thank you george has finally come down from the branches for the first time since i put them in there

checkers on the other hand is still chilling up there in them branches

[Aundrea]

Is checkers shy? lol Or just needs to get used to the new cage!!

[crzy_kevo]

checkers is the more skittish of the 2 but has calmed down alot in the past week and a half

i think she just really likes branches

[Aundrea]

awww she probably likes it up high and can see whats going on :D

[crzy_kevo]

oh one cool thing i did though was i strung together 2 sets ofdead ivy vines then i weved the fake ivy inbetween thoser 2 vines so it makes like a leafy hammock and thats where they would spend most of their time

[Aundrea]

Ohh wow that is soooo coool!!! I bet they really love that. Nice and comfy!!! I need to get some of them fake plants for my snake and my turtle. I know they would like that alot. Nice place for them to hide in:D

[crzy_kevo]

i redecorated the tank the other day i think it looks much better than before give me your feedback :D

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1098/picture062uf5.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3746/picture064ju2.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8687/picture063tc2.jpg

and now a couple pics of Squirt checking out the new vines
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1792/picture068jj6.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7638/picture067ic8.jpg


i made the big bunch of vines go up along the back and they are attached to the branches now, they all seem to love the new set up

[adamanteus]

That looks grand, Kevin.:)

[crzy_kevo]

ya the new dish sure looks better than that piece of tupperwear i had in there and the river stone accent is problably the best part of the tank

[adamanteus]

I really like the dense foliage.

[Snake lover 3-25]

wow kevin! neat setup!! very cool!!:D

[mtolypetsupply]

Looking good!

[olive oil]

I like the look of the branch but some of my suction cups seem to always come undone.
Any tips?

[crzy_kevo]

better suction cups but mine as well come undone once in a while

[misskris]

Very nice. I love how "green" the tank looks :)

[crzy_kevo]

i was surprised at how well turk and squirt get along with george and checkers but i am seperating them during feedings and then cleaning off any mess just in case

[anji1971]

It looks awesome, Kevin! :cool:

[drache]

it looks really nice Kevin
I bet the snakes love it

[guidofatherof5]

Nice looking setup!

[Lori P]

It looks really great Kevin! And I want you to pay attention to something-- I've been meaning to talk about this but kept forgeting-- I have those polished river rocks in the Florida blue's enclosure. And they use that area as a toilet like you wouldn't believe!!!! It's almost like they're litter trained to those rocks!!! It's the weirdest thing. I'm dying to know if yours do it too, or if anyone else has experienced this!

[crzy_kevo]

ok well im feeding the babies tomorrow the big girls still wont eat so i will keep an eye out for you