T. s. infernalis - California Red-sided Garter Snake

[Bay_area]

My wife found 10 of these little ones in the cage last night. Loren said last week that she looked like she was gravid. I guess he was right...LOL!

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//614/medium/DSC_0136_2_.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//614/medium/DSC_0153_2_.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//614/medium/DSC_0129_2_.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//614/medium/DSC_0138_2_.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//614/medium/DSC_0143_2_.jpg

[GartersRock]

OMG gorgeous!!!

[Elliot]

Beautiful babies! I wish I had more snake room over here. :rolleyes:

[jitami]

Very nice!!

[count dewclaw]

Beautiful! Those guys are on my wishlist. :D

[Stefan-A]

Congratulations! :) Very nice ones.

[Bay_area]

Thanks all!

Because of California law. I can not sell the babies. I can only gift them out to California Residence. I am sorry to those that have asked already. Although this was not a planned breeding, I already had enough people say they wanted babies if she was gravid. Sorry, I wish I had enough for everyone:(

[Loren]

awesome Jerry !

[drache]

congrats, Jerry
they're beautiful and I'm envious

[Snake lover 3-25]

awwww they are so cute!!!!!!

[crzy_kevo]

man i love that crimson red heads they are amazing looking babies

[Lori P]

Congrats, Jerry, they are just stunning. :-)

[anji1971]

They're very pretty! I love the colours on this species.
Congrats, Jerry!:)

[Snaky]

Congrats, they are very nice :)

[gregmonsta]

Nice deep colouration on those :)

[ssssnakeluvr]

with all the Californians moving here can I consider myself one???? Just kidding!!!!! nice looking babies!!!! I will get some, someday!!!! :cool:

[Bay_area]

with all the Californians moving here can I consider myself one???? Just kidding!!!!! nice looking babies!!!! I will get some, someday!!!! :cool:


I just saw them listed on Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters (http://www.albinogartersnake.com/pricing.htm)
;) for all of you non Cali Residents

[Peet]

Hey Jerry - found my way here. So far the two babies haven't fed, but they don't appear to have shed yet so maybe it will take some more time. I tried very small earthworms - no dice. I tried guppies - they seemed drawn to the movement (in a very shallow dish; just enough water for the guppies to flop around) but still no feeding. One of them seemed drawn to the movements of a cricket in an adjoining cage - I thought "way cool; if they're going to do crickets this will be a cakewalk." But no; when a couple were placed in their cage they didn't want to eat them. I'll try again Sunday.

[adamanteus]

Hi Peter, and welcome to the forum.:)
Don't bother trying the crickets again, they won't take them. Good luck and keep us informed on your progress.

[adamanteus]

I just realised... I missed this thread earlier. Congratulations Jerry! Beautiful babies!:)

[Bay_area]

Hey Jerry - found my way here.
Welcome Peter!


I gave them some feeder minnows today. My wife watched some of them eat while I was @ work:D Maybe I will seperate the ones that ate in the morning. I think once they eat, I will make everyone come pick out the ones they want. You already got the "Pick of the Litter";)

adamanteus said, "I just realised... I missed this thread earlier."
James, I guess even you can not read every post...LOL! It says "181 unread posts" right now & I was on this morning:eek:

[adamanteus]

adamanteus said, "I just realised... I missed this thread earlier."
James, I guess even you can not read every post...LOL! It says "181 unread posts" right now & I was on this morning:eek:

I'm embarressed to say, I have still read every post! I thought that with the training for the new job I would fall behind... but so far I have still read every post on the forum..... can't remember any of them though!:rolleyes:

[Loren]

Well, this little guy is looking good- color is really coming in nice.
He has eaten a couple meals of pinkies and one of trout, so far. Cant wait till he's big enough to go in a display tank (I use 1/4" mesh for the lids, so they have to grow a bit first).

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/ca_red_sided_gt.JPG

[Garter_Gertie]

Oh, he's gorgeous. What a beauty.

[Aundrea]

OMG What a BEAUTY!!!!!!!!:eek:

[GartersRock]

WHOO! Wow!! He's HOT!

[drache]

very nice, Loren
wish we could trade . . .

[infernalis]

Loren, I am jealous as well. My infernalis has a "mean" look to him.

His temperament is sweet as can be, just something about him looks ominous.

Yours looks darling in comparison:D

Inferno (The name I chose for mine) has blue stripes, yours looks a little more greenish yellow.

what is the more common coloration? or is that like asking what color a "Normal" sirtalis is:eek:

That's a great looking specimen you have there!

[anji1971]

Very nice!
The markings on these are so different than the other Thamnophis species'. Instead of checker patterns, it looks almost like paint-drippings down the sides. Quite dramatic. I like!:cool:

[count dewclaw]

Drooling here! Very nice snake you have there.

[infernalis]

At least you got to hold one Leann:D

[bkhuff1s]

Before I thought they looked cool. NOW I HAVE TO HAVE ONE!!!! Unfortunately I live in Missouri. So I'll have to find someone who can ship out.

[infernalis]

Bryan, try Scott Felzer Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters (http://www.albinogartersnake.com)

Top quality, captive bred Garter snakes:D

They may seem pricey, however worth every penny!

[Bay_area]

Well, this little guy is looking good- color is really coming in nice.
He has eaten a couple meals of pinkies and one of trout, so far. Cant wait till he's big enough to go in a display tank (I use 1/4" mesh for the lids, so they have to grow a bit first).

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/ca_red_sided_gt.JPG

WOW! It is doing good!!! Eating pinkies & growing good.:cool: I guess mike picked out a good one for you. I thought about holding one back, but I did not want to be over my limit. Besides, I have my hands full with what I have already. I have tried to get the adults to eat mice, but unlike the coast garter, they were not intersted. You sure do good with your herps, Loren. TTYL, Jerry

[Loren]

After a shed and a belly full of trout.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/img_1845_2.jpg

[Hornets23]

Wow, those are really nice looking.

[count dewclaw]

Looking even better! Beautiful snake.

[jitami]

Gorgeous Loren!!! Very pretty baby!!!

[crzy_kevo]

omg loren that red is so bright i love it
what a great looking snake :D

[Snaky]

The colors look incredible on that picture. Very nice snake, Loren :)

[Steven@HumboldtHerps]

Beautiful infernalis! So. Humboldt CA Red-sided Garters do not have the clean-cut pattern borders that the Bay Area has! Further north (beginning at south of the Klamath River) we have fitchis with fat black heads with just a touch of red on the cheeks. Partial hybridization is also suspected with the elegans clade (ordinoides may be suspect, but chances are not likely), as many of our sirtalis have ventral red flecking and diffused patterns.

Here's a few of our sirtalis!

http://www.humboldtherps.com/images/2008-07-19HCHSimage-Valley_Garter_1C_-Fern_Canyon_marsh_.JPG
http://www.humboldtherps.com/images/2008-07-19HCHSimage-Valley_Garter_1B_-Fern_Canyon_marsh_.JPG
T. s. fitchi (Fern Canyon, Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park) July 19, 2008

http://www.humboldtherps.com/images/20080831HCHSimage-Valley_Garter-Tolowa_Del_Norte_County_.JPG
T. s. fitchi (Tolowa Dunes near Lake Earl, Crescent City, CA) Aug. 31, 2008

http://www.humboldtherps.com/images/08-23-2007HCHSimage-Valley_Garter_A2_-Hidden_Beach_north_of_mouth_of_Klamath_River_Del_N orte_County_.JPG
T. s. fitchi (Hidden Beach, Del Norte County) Aug. 23, 2007

http://www.humboldtherps.com/images/04-26-2008HCHSimage-California_Red-sided_Garter_1A_mouth_of_Fern_Canyon.jpg
T. s. fitchi / infernalis intergrade (Fern Canyon) April 26, 2008

I have a few more examples following this. Hope to have more examples soon. The SIGHTINGS page on the THAMNOPHIS page linked from the NATIVES page which you get to from the main index of HumboldtHerps has globs of local garter pics! Aw heck... Just go straight there!

Thamnophis - Sightings (http://www.humboldtherps.com/thamnophis_sightings1.html)

Adios!

Steve

[Steven@HumboldtHerps]

Wow! I may have posted to many pics on one reply! This post might be out of order?


http://www.humboldtherps.com/images/04-18-2008HCHSimage-CA_Red-sided_Garter_1A_-Headwaters_North_entrance_.jpg
http://www.humboldtherps.com/images/04-18-2008HCHSimage-CA_Red-sided_Garter_1C_-Headwaters_North_entrance_.jpg
T. s. infernalis (Headwaters Forest Reserve, Humboldt County) April 18, 2008

http://www.humboldtherps.com/images/05-06-2008HCHSimage-CA_Red-sided_Garter_1A_near_Mad_River_fish_hatchery.JPG
http://www.humboldtherps.com/images/05-06-2008HCHSimage-CA_Red-sided_Garter_1B_red_flecks_near_Mad_River_fish_hat chery.JPG
T s. infernalis (atypical pattern or inter-special influence with T. elegans terrestris?) (Mad River Hatchery, central Humboldt County) May 6, 2008

[jitami]

http://www.humboldtherps.com/images/20080831HCHSimage-Valley_Garter-Tolowa_Del_Norte_County_.JPG
T. s. fitchi (Tolowa Dunes near Lake Earl, Crescent City, CA) Aug. 31, 2008


I love this guy Steven! Looks like you took an elegans and splashed a bit of red on him :) Are you coming across these high yellow markings often?

[Steven@HumboldtHerps]

So far I have only stumbled upon a few of the yellow stripes in Del Norte County. Bold white or yellow stripes do show up on fitchis and elegans.

Right now it appears that a lot of fitchis are doing their late summer / early fall get-together. It is not uncommon for some garters to mate both in the spring and autumn. I believe they may carry the young until the spring thaw (which would explain some of the small neonates I occasionally come across in the spring).

It's good to be back on the forum.... but the homework beast calleth now.... :(

Steve

[Bay_area]

Thanks Steven for sharing those pics! awesome! Love the one with the toungue coming out. almost 3D:p

[Lori P]

I looooooove the cheeks on this guy! lol And the expression is priceless. :)

http://www.humboldtherps.com/images/2008-07-19HCHSimage-Valley_Garter_1C_-Fern_Canyon_marsh_.JPG

[NikkiSixx]

WOW i love the yellow stripe on the T. s. fitchi!!!:)( the one from Tolowa Dunes.)