Is this vomit or poo?

[Anthon]

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7091/kakkavaioksennusvh8.jpg


She ate fuzzys on monday and today she made this. :(

[Stefan-A]

Sorry, I have no idea.

Have you done anything differently this time?



This is going to sound weird, but what does it smell like? Rotten (literally) or poo?

[crzy_kevo]

its been 3 days it should be poo but doesn;t really look like any poo i have seen but then again i havn't seen fuzzy poo

[Anthon]

It smells ugly, dunno what. Should I taste it, too? ;)

I haven't done anything differently, except this is her first fuzzymeal for a long time. I just came to home from vet because my ball python has parasites (bill: 100e), I'll kill mysel if this girl has them too.

By the way there was two of these droppings.

[jitami]

Anthon, I would put a call into the vet and ask if he will prescribe the same meds for this girl as he did for your ball. I'd say with this "coincidence" it can't hurt to medicate both snakes. Hopefully he'll do this without you taking this snake in and without the fee for the office visit. Some in the US will, some won't.

[Stefan-A]

I guess it could be either. If it's vomit, then it could smell like rotting flesh.

Mind you I'm no specialist. :D

[Lori P]

Yeah. Regurged mice have a truly-- er-- unique odor. If it smells like decay, I'd go with a regurge. But, to be sure, you could also run the sample to your vet and they could test for parasites if it is fecal.

[Anthon]

Well, I didn't save that sample. ;)

Anyway the thing is so that even my ball python get medicines, I'll bring her fecal sample to a local lab maybe after a month. Just to make sure. My vet didn't investigate her poo, just gave the anthelminitic immediatly (mix of two anthelminitcs, didn't ask what they are.) and now I've been reading about, for example, coccidias, and they need some special treatment (sulfadimethoxine) to die. Dunno if the mixture my vet gave to my python includes that or if my python could even have them. I just heard about similar situation (a ball vomited a bunch of tapeworms) and there was coccideas in that python, too.

So maybe I'll bring my garters fecal at the same time.

By the way I know my english sucks and my texts look probably pretty comic. :D:)

[infernalis]

By the way I know my english sucks and my texts look probably pretty comic. :D:)


Your English is just fine, Better than some who speak it every day:D

[Lori P]

Yes, your English is very good!! I hope everything is ok with your snake. Keep us posted. :-)

[Zephyr]

It was a fuzzy, right?
Sometimes my corn snakes and my albino checkered will do this; digest the flesh and spit up the hair.

[Anthon]

:D thanks! :D


It was a fuzzy, right?
Sometimes my corn snakes and my albino checkered will do this; digest the flesh and spit up the hair.

Yep, it was fuzzy. Actually three of them. :D Was it too much? (a yearling radix). I don't normally give her so much food, but my mum was melting our freezer so I had to use all the rodents (three fuzzys) I had. Didn't believe she would eat them all, but she did, and she looked like she was willing to eat even more of them. ;) And she didn't even look too big after eating them.

[Stefan-A]

How big or old is a fuzzy? I always go by weight, so I have no idea how big a fuzzy, crawler or hopper is, for example. My '07 snakes have been taking ~2 week old / 4-6g mice for months, without any problems like that.

Have you measured your snake lately, Anthon? How big is your radix now?

[Lulu Bennett]

it just looks like poo to me. my Checkereds do it every so often where not everything get digested and it comes out hairy. my 2 checkereds are both doing fine.

[drache]

Stefan
fuzzies are 5-7g

I've noticed that some of my snakes need to "adjust" to certain new foods
such as when they get rat for the first time, some seem to have trouble fully digesting them, and their poop smells just horrible and can have slicks of not quite digested matter (pink stuff) in it
when I continue feeding rat, it goes away, so I'm theorizing that there's some enzyme that is needed at higher levels for the metabolizing of rat and they catch up once their digestive system has been exposed

[Stefan-A]

Stefan
fuzzies are 5-7g

I've noticed that some of my snakes need to "adjust" to certain new foods
such as when they get rat for the first time, some seem to have trouble fully digesting them, and their poop smells just horrible and can have slicks of not quite digested matter (pink stuff) in it
when I continue feeding rat, it goes away, so I'm theorizing that there's some enzyme that is needed at higher levels for the metabolizing of rat and they catch up once their digestive system has been exposed
Okay, thanks.

It makes sense that some enzyme or microbe that would need to be "adjusted" to a new kind of food. Humans have the same problem sometimes, when they switch from one diet to another, but that's often a much more drastic change, than simply from mouse to rat.

[Lori P]

Hmmm.... I find i can switch from mice to rats ok, but those guinea pigs give me stomachaches something fierce... :D

[Stefan-A]

Hmmm.... I find i can switch from mice to rats ok, but those guinea pigs give me stomachaches something fierce... :D
So they're NOT for breakfast anymore? :D

[Lori P]

Brunch!!!!

[Stefan-A]

Damn, all this talk of food is making me hungry..

[Lori P]

Oh heck. Now he's probably going to go make horse sausage for breakfast. Sigh... crazy Fins. (Finlanders. Finnish... Finnies?? LOLOL)

[Stefan-A]

Oh heck. Now he's probably going to go make horse sausage for breakfast. Sigh... crazy Fins. (Finlanders. Finnish... Finnies?? LOLOL)
Finns. :D

Hey, if we're not supposed to eat them, then why are they made out of meat? :D (Not the Finns)

[Anthon]

Ookay. :D

And, as I said, there was TWO of them, both were fresh, and pretty far away from each other. Why would she regurgitate twice; don't they usually regurgitate one pile and that's it?

I just gave her fish and I put a tiny little piece (as it should be) of fenbendazole-preparation to it. That should kill all the possible tapeworms etc, I hope she has no coccidias. :)

I haven't measured her for a while, but she has been growing up well :) I'd say a little over 60 cm.


...Finlanders... :D:D

[count dewclaw]

Perhaps three fuzzies were too many and your snake couldn't fully digest them, so the fuzzies were passed only partially digested. I have heard of this happening in other animals, don't know if it is possible with snakes...

[Anthon]

Now I've been surfing on the net and I'm starting to scare the worst thing - Cryptosporidiosis. Well yeah probably not and that's really what I hope, but do you have any ideas how common is that with snakes? My ball python is bought from a pet shop which should dependable, unlike most other pet shops. They said it's CB, but now I really doubt that.

[drache]

don't panic just yet
just keep on top of it

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

that stuff looks a LOT like what My bullsnake Jakey was puking up. it was just a nasty blob of foul smelling mush... it looked eactly like that. Jakey was treated at the vet but he did not pull through... I hope you have a much better turn out than I did!

It looks to me like some regurge, it looks like a later-stage regurge as well. possibly 3 fuzzies was too much and your snake just burped up a little bit of it? Don't over-worry just yet, and parassite treatment is a very good measure. If you see anymore of that stuff following your treatments... get some screening done right away!!

best of luck!

[Stefan-A]

Yeah, don't panic yet. It might just be that you over-fed the snake. If it happens again with a normal amount of food, then I'd start getting worried.

[Anthon]

Ok now I'm shocked. She hadn't been regurgitating since today, when she ate yesterday - again maybe a bit too much, but what can you do if she's just so stupid she over-eat - pieces of salmon. So she regurgitated ONE of the pieces today.

But now something very creepy happened.. She suddenly started to rush and run all over the terrarium very fast, keeping her mouth open, like she was posessed or something! But then it stopped suddenly. What can it be?? There went accidently some peat to her stomach while she was eating yesterday, might that cause this? :S Well that symptom didn't help for it, there went it some more when her mouth was open and she was rushing backwards and everything. I'm so scared. It was a bit like the video of the thiamin deficeny snake in youtube, but my snake was much faster (and didn't die. ;)). I always put B1-vitamin and reptile's vitaminsupply to her fishes, but I'm not sure if I have putted it too little or something? :S Should I try giving her some extra B1?

I'll wait until she poo next time and then I bring her fecal to a local lab. The cryptosporidioses (and giardia) can not be found there because it should then be formalined and taken straight from the stomach, but all the possible other parasites.

[zooplan]

hello Anton.

If your snake had too less vitamin B1 you should give her an extra portion.
The swallowed peat would not cause such an reaction (if its not contaminated with toxins).
There is no way to fight cryptosporidiosis I know yet, but you (maybe) can try to better your husbandary, that would work against any thinkable disease.
At least the digesting problems could be caused by the weather as well and we all are still only guessing.
Your vet should be able to check a lot of possibilities if you give him a sample of feces.

[Anthon]

Now she's doing it again! The conditions ar ok and she has been growing and doing well expect the regurgitates she'd made. She just dropped a little amount of wet poop but I don't know if it's big enough to be investigated.

My B1-suppliment is in a form of 300mg tablet, I have no idea how much should I give it to her now, and HOW. I have always gave a tiny piece of it with fishes.

[Anthon]

Ok so I took her fecal and I take it tomorrow to the lab. There isn't very much of it and there got some peat, but I hope it's fine. They send me the results after a week.

Please calm me :D If it would be cryptosporidum she wouldn't have such symptoms like this?

[Stefan-A]

I doubt that crypto would have those symptoms.

Could B1 overdose have those symptoms?

[Snake lover 3-25]

Could B1 overdose have those symptoms?


that's just what i was thinking...... :(

[Anthon]

Great, so now I don't know if it's a lack or an overdose of vitamin. :D but shouldn't extra b-vitamins come out from the body because they are vesiliukoisia, can't translate that because i'm here with a phone. :D

[Stefan-A]

"Water-soluble." :)

[Anthon]

She has been doing fine today. I took her sample to the laboratory but I doubt any parasites could cause those symptoms?

[Anthon]

Haha, the results arrived. No parasites, but they said the sample vas very small.:D but anyway my ball python just dropped the kids off at the pool and gosh that was a huge pile of pure hairy s*it! . If she doesn't have parasites then probably doesn't my garter because my ball python is probably the only way they could have came from.

[Stefan-A]

Good news, then. :)

[jitami]

Yep, good news... how's she been acting lately?

[Anthon]

She's ok now.

[jitami]

Glad to hear it Anthon!

[Anthon]

No parasites found from my BP's fecal :)

[Stefan-A]

More good news. :)