free babies!!!!!:D:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

ok so who wants some of sooty's babies?????? 13 are avalible

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_019.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_016.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_003.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/IMG_5715.JPG

[Zephyr]

I'll take one. I need a pic of the whole litter though so I can decide. XD

[Snake lover 3-25]

how will you get it????:D

o BTW..... i am really bad at sexing..... so far all 15 are males:o

[crzy_kevo]

if you can find a way to smuggle one across the border i will take a male
(lol im just kidding)(unless she can smuggle one hehe :) )

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol i'm gonna try and be as LEGAL as possible:D

[ssssnakeluvr]

I might be interested in a couple...

[Snake lover 3-25]

as long as people can pay for shipping ang provide a great loving hope they're yours!!!!:D o but also it would be helpful if you could take them ASAP..... i hate to part with them..... but my parents are not happy i have them....:(


BTW 2 of them have not eaten... i've tried everything.... and it prob doesn't help that i have a full time job:(:(:(

[Zephyr]

Shan, you need to explain to your parents that this could be your job. XD
I've got my monthly income from being a budding cockroach/snake salesman. XD
Also, could you get some more pics of the litter?

[Garter_Gertie]

lol i'm gonna try and be as LEGAL as possible:D

No "possible," Sweetie. Be legal. I'm not gonna come visit you in the slammer.

[Garter_Gertie]

Shanely, get them on here for awhile. They'll met us and see we're doing our best to help you. Also, they'll find you're not alone but there are other nutcases out here. :D

[Loren]

how will you get it????:D

o BTW..... i am really bad at sexing..... so far all 15 are males:o
Thats funny. I know the feeling though. :)

[gregmonsta]

Teleport to Scotland possible? ... anyone?

[GartersRock]

Ah man! I REALLY wish I could have a pair... Don't have the money for shipping though. Spent all my garter money for now... Darn!

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol well i guess i WILL be letting some go then!!!:D:D

i'm still trying to decide which to keep..... so far i have it down to 4.......

i still have 2 non eaters.... should i let them go sooner???

[GartersRock]

You know what... How long can you hold a pair?

[Snake lover 3-25]

hold a pair????:confused:

[GartersRock]

Lol! How long could you hold (keep until I am ready) a male and a female. Maybe I can come up with the money.

[Snake lover 3-25]

oooo lol i get it!!!! i thought you ment give them too you for a while then take them back!!!!:D:D ummmmmm...... end of summer???? so b4 september would be great!!:D

[brigitte]

i might be interested in 1 or 2 do you know how much shipping would be to zipcode 63376

[GartersRock]

Can't PM you for some reason. lol!

How much would shipping be to 78656?
I should have enough for just shipping. I can't let these babies pass me up. =D After all that suspense! I would love 1.1 (or 1.2 if you can spare it) if I sell my blood pythons!!

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol you can have as many as you want!!!!!


sorry.... i never gave you a shipping zipcode... mine is 14472..... idk how to figure out shipping....:D

[GartersRock]

Cool!! Ok then! How about 2.2. =D Hmm... I don't know how to tell you how to figure the shipping out... Can anyone help us?? I ship snakes alot now but I don't know how to tell her too. lol!

[MoJo]

If you go to Fedex they have a shipping calculator that will estimate costs. You will need to know the box size and weight to get a more accurate price. Price will also depend on when you want the snakes to arrive ( I highly recommend before 10:30 AM) and if it is going to a residence.

Make sure you have good strong boxes and ideally they should be lined with 1/2 in - 3/4 in styrofoam and you might need a cold pack to keep the box from getting too hot.

[GartersRock]

Thank you!! There you go Shanley! =D Just let me know how much it will be and I will get the money as fast as I can!

[Snake lover 3-25]

ok will do!!!!:D:D

[Elliot]

I just realized I guessed 13 on the Sooty Babies thread. :p

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol but she had 15;)

[Elliot]

Yeah I just saw that. Oops. :rolleyes::o

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol no prob!!! do you want one anyways????:D

[Elliot]

I would like one, but I've got another garter on the way already and I don't have any more space. :o

[SpyrotheGartersnake]

can i have one? i had asked you earlier on the topic sooty babies and you said sure if she has a lot

[Jack Neary]

I would love to get 1 or 2 of them!
Please let me know how to proceed?
Thanks!
Jack

[GartersRock]

Shanley. Just wanted to confirm that I do for sure want that 2.2. ;) If you could like, officially keep 'em for me, that would be great!! So exciting!!

[Snake lover 3-25]

ok sure!!!:D:D

i'm still trying to get pics of all of them.... but when i put them back i just cant keep them strait!!!:eek: so my mom told me to put a tiny dot of nail polish on them.... can i do that?????

[Snake lover 3-25]

ok so i have:

9 that are good eaters (worms)
2 that have still not eaten
2 that are reserved for me
2 that will ony eat small frogs/toads

[Snake lover 3-25]

so how long can i wait for the 2 non eaters????

should i let them go??? what else can i feed them???:confused:

[ssssnakeluvr]

hehehe....send them to Wayne....he got the other non feeders to eat!!! :rolleyes:

[GartersRock]

Hmmm... I don't have a good supply of toads/frogs.... So it may be best if I took 4 of the worm eaters.
Do you have a quote on the shipping yet? ;) I'll have the cash pretty soon.

Good luck with the non feeders! I think I would try a little while longer before letting 'em go. Just me though.

[anji1971]

Shanley, don't panic about the non-eaters just yet. They're very new still, and sometimes the ones that don't eat are just the more nervous "personality" type. You have to remember that you started feeding immediately after they were born, so it's going to seem like these ones are going an awful long time without food, when in reality, it's not that long at all!
I just separated my two that wouldn't eat and kept at it. They eventually did, and I kept the one that seemed the most hesitant. She still eats less than the others and is tinier, but she's such a sweetie, I'm really glad I didn't just give up and release her.:)

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol that's what i thought... so right now everyone that wants one can have a good eater...:D


thanks anji! you're prob right..... it has only been a week and they are shy...but they are just SO much smaller than the others!!! but i really hope to find a home for these two together.... they are ALWAYS curled up together in an opposite corner than everyone else....:D so cute.... and they have 2 of the best patterns of the bunch....


but i'm STILL trying to get pics and keep them in order....

anyone know yet????:confused: it sure would help!!!!


i'm still trying to get pics of all of them.... but when i put them back i just cant keep them strait!!!:eek: so my mom told me to put a tiny dot of nail polish on them.... can i do that?????

[GartersRock]

Hmm... I would say you could put a tiny bit of nail polish on them... But it will shed off. And I would put it FAR from the head. Fumes could really hurt them.

Uh oh...... You got me with the two non feeders going together.... If you can't find a place for them... I would take 2.2 + the 2 non feeders... Thats if you can't find anywhere else for them to go. I feel like I may come across as being greedy. lol!

[Snake lover 3-25]

wait so you may want 6????!!!!!:eek: wow!!!!!

[GartersRock]

If you run out of other homes, yes. I could make space for just two more. I spend most of my time taking care of my snakies. ;) lol!

Unless that is. You don't want me to....

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol yes! but if i do find other homes..... i can give them to them????


one more question.... i'm confused about the 2 non eaters.... do you have the resources and the time to get them to eat???

of course this shouldn't be a problem if i can get them to eat...... :D

[SpyrotheGartersnake]

can i have one of the babies that eating worms?

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol EVERYONE can have a baby or two that are eating worms..... so yes you can have one you just have to pay shipping:D

[GartersRock]

Yeah, I do. ;) Of course it's your decision if you want to give the two "non feeders" to other people... IF they really want them. ;)

Just let me know a shipping quote when you get it! 78656 zip code. =D

[Snake lover 3-25]

ok great!!!! will do!!!:D:D

[brigitte]

do you have any pics of all the babies?

[Snake lover 3-25]

not yet.... ok so here it goes.... only 4 are females..... the other 11 are CLEAR males.....:(

[Zephyr]

not yet.... ok so here it goes.... only 4 are females..... the other 11 are CLEAR males.....:(Honestly, I don't think visual sexing is accurate until at least 2-3 months of age.

[Elliot]

I agree. They might still be young enough to pop.

[Snake lover 3-25]

i know.... and... so i took one and popped it....... and i hardly even had to touch it.... it came out by it's self.... and they showed no discomfort at all.... otherwise i would have put them down.... but 11 did it.....

[Justinviper]

Depending on shipping to a 38668 zip code I want one. My first garter coming from someone on this forum would be awesome. but I would for sure need one that eating or maybe two:)

[Snake lover 3-25]

right now the only ones that are avalible are the two that have only eaten baby toads so far.........

[Snake lover 3-25]

no no no no they're dead!!! all of them!!! NONONONO help...... help!!!!! i don't know what happened!!!

[Zephyr]

no no no no they're dead!!! all of them!!! NONONONO help...... help!!!!! i don't know what happened!!!Wait, what Shanley?!

[Justinviper]

hmmmm. better not take them, If something changing let me know.

[jitami]

WHAT???? OH NO... Shanley... I'm so sorry...

[Justinviper]

what??? hmmmmmmmmm

[Zephyr]

Do you think it happened gradually or did they just all of a sudden die? You might have a gas leak! :eek:

[Snake lover 3-25]

omg omg no no no no!!!! no omg no..... i'm so sorry!!! no no not them!!!! no no please!!!! omg omg no!!!!!

[Justinviper]

very sorry

[Zephyr]

Shanley, please try to calm down for a moment.
Did they all appear fine then all of a sudden they were dead? What do they look like right now? Mouth agape, bodies distorted?

[Snake lover 3-25]

no!!!! i was right next to them ..... i was sitting with my computer!!!! omg!!! not!!!! we were out side!!! i must have gotten too hot OMG no!!!!!! please!!!! i went in to go to the bathroom.... no!!!! no!!!!

[Zephyr]

You took the outside with you? o.o?

[Snake lover 3-25]

their mouths are open..... none are moving...... i put the in water... for a sec and none responded!!!! no!!!!!!!!!!! please not them!!! no no it's all my fault!! no no no no!!!! no!!!!

[jitami]

Shanley, hunny, I'm sorry... is anyone home with you?

[Zephyr]

Shanley, I'm so sorry. It's always live-and-learn...
Try luke warm water...

[Snake lover 3-25]

no they are all gone!!! no no no no!!!!!!! they even smell dead!!! no!!!! i have to go to work in ten mins....no no no no!!!!!

[Snake lover 3-25]

they are all dead!! all of them!!! no!!!! please!!!! no no no!!!!

[jitami]

Were they ok when you brought them back inside? There really could be a gas leak or something along those lines. Is there anyone else home with you?

[Snake lover 3-25]

no they are not ok!!! they are dead!!! i tried everything!!!!! they are gone!!! nononono!!!!!

[jitami]

I know... and I'm so so so sorry...

[GartersRock]

Oh wow, Shanley.... I am so sorry... I can't imagine what happened... Wow...

Just calm down and breath. There is nothing you could have done. It's ok...

So sorry...

[SpyrotheGartersnake]

t'm so sorry Shanley,:( it must hurt really bad for it to come to this:(

[Snake lover 3-25]

thank you everyone..... i am sorry.... especially for those of you who were promised babies..... i just don't know what to do..... with them... with my self.....

i told so many people..... what will i tell them now...... i talked of them every day..... what will they think when i just fall silent? what new names will my siblings call me? how will they taunt me next time we fight? how many times will i be reminded of this terrible day? a day that i must keep in my heart for ever.

people keep telling me that you have to live and learn.... but how will i ever have babies again? how will i feel next time i see one up close? i don't think i can.... i love them so much... but i will be so afraid to try again.... i may let the gravid wc snake go.... i don't know what to do...... i feel like i should spend time cherishing the ones i have left....

i will remember those 15 forever..... how they acted.... how fragile they were.... how sweet and calm some were and how active and strong others were.... how some hid in corners... and others came out to explore.... how different they each were.... and most of all, how they smelled when they were gone.... it seems like i can't remove the smell from my hands.... i just can't get it off.... make it go away.... i will always remember that smell.... the smell of those 15... those innocent, fragile, beautiful, babies..... the smell of death... one that i am at COMPLETE fault for.

[jitami]

Shanley, I really don't know what to say. Don't worry about what other people think or even what your siblings say. Let karma get to them in it's own time. Unfortunately things like this happen to all of us. If it hasn't happened to them yet, it will. In time you will be ok with other babies, but yes, you'll always remember these.... these will always have a special place in your heart. (((hugs)))

[Snake lover 3-25]

thank you.... i don't know what else to say.... i don't know what to do.... i feel like i'm walking around like a zombie... i have never had a garter die on me... never... people kept asking me what was wrong at work and i didn't know what to say.... so i lied... and told them that i was tired... if i did tell them the truth i would break down.... and i can't cry any more.....:(

[Garter_Gertie]

Shanley, things affect us more the yonger we are. I'm not trying to talk to you in a condensending way, but to just tell you what I, myself, have learned. Not that it will hurt less when you're older, but you'll understand better? Be more philisophical about it? I don't know. But it will be a bit different.

I am so sorry for your loss. I cry for you and want to hug you. I'm so sorry yo're having to go through this. It will get better, sweetheart.

Hugs and love to you.

[Snake lover 3-25]

thanks.... thank you so much.... i don't know what i'd do with out kind understanding people like you here.....

i have just never felt like this..... i have never been fully responsible for killing somthing.... i think that's why it hurts so bad...... i just wish i had brought them in with me..... and the stupidest part is that i thaught about bringing them in and then decided not to...... :(

but please.... please... don't feel bad for me... if you must feel bad feel bad for them.... the 15 perfect souls.... that lived such a short life....

[count dewclaw]

Shanley, I'm so sorry. Yes, cherish the memory of these little ones, but don't be afraid to love again. Also, don't be too hard on yourself. We all make mistakes, learn from it and move on. I don't mean to sound harsh or uncaring.

[ssssnakeluvr]

Very sorry for your loss!!! :(

[infernalis]

Shanley, Honey my heart goes out to you..

So very sorry, what else can I say?

My sincere heartfelt condolences to you.

Slither on in the sky little ones.

[Garter_Gertie]

Shanley, while there may have been something you did, there may also have not been. It''s probably a comibination of the two.

Now, look. You need to STOP the "but please.... please... don't feel bad for me..." crap. OF COURSE I feel bad for you! You're kind'a like a far away friend of mine. Let's just say/pretend the death of those babies was entirley your fault. Why would I feel less sorry for you than them? You can feel, think, reason. Yes, they may be gone, but you're still here and it's YOU that needs the comfort and feeling bad for.

You did not "kill" them in that you deliberately killed them in that you stepped on them, broke their necks - you know what I mean. Stop the "never been fully responsible for killing somthing."

Get a grip, look at things realistically and realize you tak on too much responsiblity for things you amy or may not have control over.

And FORGET whatever your siblings or anyone else things. Build your ego and keep telling yourself, "I'm okay. I'm a good person." Learn, believe it, and then don't give a ratz *** whatever anyone else thinks. What the hell do they or us know anyway? Opinions are just that, opinions. If you don't take them on (let others control you) you're in control of yourself! :D

Belive in Shanley. She's a great, cariing gal.

Otay. I'm putting my soapbox away now! :D

[Garter_Gertie]

Sorry for so many typos. I've a cyst or stye or SOMETHING in the lower lid of my left eye and I've not got my contacts in. I'm literally typing blind.

sorry!

[corey5546]

How Much Is Shipping. i might be interested in a couple. email me at corey5546@hotmail.com with the answer

[Snake lover 3-25]

awwww.... thanks gertie....... wow that makes me feel alot better.... i cannot express my gratitude... thank you so much.....:)

[Garter_Gertie]

Yeah, Sweetie. You're no worse than other and prolly a hell of a lot better than the majority of folks on this earth.

Yes, gerive. Consider what happened; figure out if you did contribute and move on. Honey, I don't want to sound preaching, but you're just getting in to this - snakes. By the time you get to be my age (never mind what THAT is!) you're going to be a pro and you'll look back on this - with sorrow and prolly still some pain - and realize how far you've come and what you didn't know back then (now).

You can only do the best you can with what knowledge you have. And you're doing that. Don't be so ahrd on yourself.

If you belive in and like Shanley, anything your sibs say to you sin't gonna gonna get your dander up.

Love Shanley. She's very much worth it...

[infernalis]

On that note Shanley, wouldn't it be best to release your other gravid gal?

Please do not think for one moment that I am calling you a failure at all.

But all things considered, unless you are intentionally breeding them, why put yourself through the heartaches.

Whenever any of us winds up with a litter of newborns, there is the risk of something, anything going wrong.

When my little speedy man died, I cried like a baby, a big 42 year old baby. I starved him to death! (a couple of years ago now)

But what I learned from it has made me a better snake keeper.

Time will heal your wounds, really it will.

[Snake lover 3-25]

wouldn't it be best to release your other gravid gal?

that's what my mom said.... but i just don't know..... the only reason i have her is to hopefully try and give her babies a better... even just slightly.... chance of living... surviving to adulthood....

[jitami]

When my first great dane died it devastated the whole family. He was only 20 months old and it was totally unexpected. He was MY boy. Total momma's boy. He loved and trusted me so much. I had just taken in another puppy to be the first dane's buddy. I couldn't look at that puppy. I just knew that I could not do this again. Could not raise a puppy to have it die. Could not, could not, could not. Take him back to his breeder. I can't do it. Thankfully the breeder was several hours away and hubby refused to take the new puppy back. I had to take care of the puppy... I was home with him all day everyday... It takes time, but you do learn to love again. The "new" puppy is now elderly and had me in tears today cause I know his time is growing short. One little thing has multiplied into many and soon it will be too much. I actually think you should go ahead and keep the gravid girl if you feel like you're ready. You've raised babies before. You know what it takes. You've also been around this forum long enough to know that things go wrong and these babies could be stillborn, could be deformed, could be perfect and then die days later. It happens. It will probably be very difficult on you emotionally, especially if something happens, but I don't see any reason to change your plans now. This was a stupid mistake and that's all it was. We all know you would give anything start today all over again... so I say do it... start over again with new babies... just prepare yourself that even if you do everything perfect things still could go wrong. If you think you're ready to handle that, you'll do fine.

More hugs, Shanley...

[Stefan-A]

I'm so sorry for your loss, Shanley. :(

[Snake lover 3-25]

thank you....

tani... i don't know if i'm ready yet.... but thankfully it should take some time b4 they come...... and i have a wonderful friend who i hope will forgive me and help me to care for these new babies if i should choose to keep the mother until she gives birth....

and all of you... each and every one has helped me..... helped me to accept what happened and to live on... and to not be afraid.... thank you...... all of you...

[anji1971]

Aww, Shanley..............
I'm so sorry this happened to you. :(:(:(
Take your time, do your crying, forgive yourself, heal, and please, do not give up!!
I can tell you're a very caring young woman, and you're way too hard on yourself.
It was a mistake, and we've all made them. It hurts like hell when we do, but it certainly doesn't mean you shouldn't keep trying. That's the only way to build your confidence and become better and better. At anything in life you try to accomplish!
Best wishes, and lots of hugs............

[GartersRock]

Shanley... Just listen to what Gertie said! Wonderful advice... Once again I am so, so sorry. I know you'll be alright! ;)

I would say keeping the gravid girl is up to you and how you feel...

And if you do I woud still love some babies. lol! But if you don't feel ready to do it all over, then let her go. Totally up to you.

[Snake lover 3-25]

i hate telling people.... i've only told 3 besides you guys.... but apparently they spread the word..... it's just how he said it..... "guess you won't make that mistake again"... said with no sarrow... said like i deserved it... like they deserved it..... it automatically brings me to tears.... how can they be so heartless???? i just don't get it..... when my dog got hit.... i didn't go up to him and say "well... i guess you should have let her in when she barked!!".... and esp. not a day after it happenes!!! i'm still grieving and will be for a long time..... don't they understand how much that hurts me????

[crzy_kevo]

oh you poor girl im so srry you lost them
i hope my babies will be ok but you never know sometimes these things happen

[beaniesmommy]

How Much Is Shipping. i might be interested in a couple. email me at corey5546@hotmail.com with the answer

Please read peoples full posts! :confused: This was posted after Shanley's devistating ordeal.



Shanley, I am really sorry. I know your heart is hurting. Hang in there. It was an accident. You and the snakes are in my thoughts and prayers. ;)

[adamanteus]

Shanley, I'm so sorry to read through this thread. What a shock. You waited so long for these babies to arrive, and then this. I know how you must be feeling, but learn from your mistake and warn others how easily this can happen to new babies. I really feel for you. Sorry Shanley.:(

[drache]

Shanley
I'm so sorry
what a hard loss

[Snake lover 3-25]

thanks guys........ :( i"ll always keep them in my heart.....:(