thiaminase

[crzy_kevo]

ok i have a minnow trap set up and i just caught a bunch of little gobeys(dont know if that is spelled right) any1 who fishes know what these are but i need to know if they contain thiaminase i checked the page that shows which fish cantain it or not and gobeys aren't on it so if any1 knows i would be greatful
just wanna make sure b4 i end up feeding them to george

[crzy_kevo]

i just checked it is the goby fish

[infernalis]

even if they were goldfish, a few aint gonna kill george.

just find out before serving as a steady diet.

[crzy_kevo]

nevermind i just found a web page that says the fish contains negligable amounts of thiaminase so it should be safe to feed george once in a while

[crzy_kevo]

thanks wayne i now that i know i will see if george will even eat one

[crzy_kevo]

hmm george doesnt seem too interested i will try feeding tomorrow and if that doesnt work i may ve to cut the fish in half

[infernalis]

try worms too, they like worms.

[Snake lover 3-25]

OMG so i was reading my new garter book and it has a section on this!!! it has ways that i've never heard of but they should work!!! i just learned about the breaking down of enzymes in BIO!!!!!! soo cool!!!! i'll post some of the ways........

[Snake lover 3-25]

ok here it is.... in the book Garter and Water Snakes by David Perlowin.


...... Fish contains an enzyme that breaks down the thiamine before it can be digested by the snake. To avoid this, heat the fish to 180'F (82'C) for five minutes to destroy the enzyme. ..... A bit of baker's yeast added to the food each week also helps prevent thiamine deficiency. .....

[infernalis]

Thanks Shanley:D

[GartersRock]

Wouldn't that cook the fish?

[Lori P]

Yeast is high in B vitamins, (Thiamine is a B vitamin) so that makes sense, but wonder if they'd eat food covered in it?

Shanley, thanks for the info!

[Snake lover 3-25]

sweet just spoke to my boi teacher about it and he said that the yeast would destroy the enzyme/eat it and that the heat would denature/deform it so it would no longer be able to break down the enzymes!!!! sweet a cure to thiaminase!!!! also the hish pH levels of the yeast would deform it then they would eat it lol:D

[brigitte]

thanks for the info shanley.... great work

[Stefan-A]

sweet just spoke to my boi teacher about it and he said that the yeast would destroy the enzyme/eat it and that the heat would denature/deform it so it would no longer be able to break down the enzymes!!!! sweet a cure to thiaminase!!!! also the hish pH levels of the yeast would deform it then they would eat it lol:D
So why not just heat it? :D

[Snake lover 3-25]

idk lol but you could do one or the other or if you really really want to both:D;)

[Stefan-A]

I've always seen thiaminase as being more problematic when you're forced to use live food. Heating the food to 80-something degrees Celsius will destroy it.

[Snake lover 3-25]

yup makes me happy bc now I can feed them fish other than tilapia!!!!! (don't like salmon and i've not found trout.......)

[Stefan-A]

I still recommend just heating it and not adding yeast.

[Snake lover 3-25]

yup prob. me too.... lol but yeast is just another way to denature the enzyme..... so who knows lol but it'd work ;)

[Stefan-A]

It might work and I wonder how the snake might react to it.

[Snake lover 3-25]

that would be pretty neat to find out..... unless of course they were bad effects.........

[Stefan-A]

There shouldn't be any adverse effects, but it would be nice to have that confirmed.

[adamanteus]

Heating the fish has long been a way around the thiaminase problem, since way back when Garters were considered 'disposable', and their staple captive diet (in the UK anyway) was White-Bait. I'd be interested to see if the yeast idea actually works.

[Snake lover 3-25]

yeah.... o well..... we' all just have to cook it for now lol sure it'll be tested eventually..... doesn't have to be by one of us.......