help Identify

[enigma200316]

found this little baby in the backyard doesn't look like the typical eastern, what do you guys think??
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Picture_391.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Picture_392.jpg
these are of the same snake, he's only like maybe 8inches long.....

[enigma200316]

after checking around it could be butler's we do have them here in northwest PA...........

[ssssnakeluvr]

definitely not an eastern, its a shortheaded garter, thamnophis brachystoma

[gregmonsta]

I concur :D ... brachystoma popped into my head as soon as I saw the pic (garter sense tingling).

[adamanteus]

Moi aussi. C'est un T. brachystoma!
(I already posted this once... hours ago! Where did it go? That's not meant to happen to me... I'm a Moderator!):D

[Sid]

Very nice find, Justin. You should add that second photo to the Photo Library.

[anji1971]

Very cool!! I didn't even know about that kind of garter................
They are quite pretty!

[enigma200316]

yes indeed I totally foregot about Brachystoma, sweet my first ever I have seen....and reproducing which is a good thing here, because they are on the list for PA of protected and endangered speicies............back to the wild my little friend, and thank you guys for the help........;):D

[adamanteus]

.......back to the wild my little friend, and thank you guys for the help........;):D


Don't forget then, Justin.... loads more photos before you let her go.
We need to add her to the photo library too. Will you do that, or should I?

[enigma200316]

I will try to get what I can, however you can take the ones that we have here already and put them in.....:)

[Garter_Gertie]

as soon as I saw the pic (garter sense tingling).

LOL!!!:D Homer Simpson, "Spider Pig, Spider Pig..." :D

[Garter_Gertie]

Darn. Wish s/he wasn't protected. But you're WONDERFUL for doing the correct thing.

I was - if you'd kept that precious baby - going to suggest the name, "Spot."

[adamanteus]

But you're WONDERFUL for doing the correct thing.

Absolutely! Hats off to Justin!http://www.herpetofauna.co.uk/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

[Sid]

Justin, I agree with both Gertie and James, you have made a good decision.:D

[enigma200316]

thanks guys,but really there was never a choice to make it was deff. let it go as soon as I knew what it was.......:) on a sad note though, the other pics I took of it as I was letting it go some how got erased off my camera, and I had some nice shots of it in the grass to, so as you can imagine I was pretty mad for lack of a better term...:mad: all I know is my wife had it last to show some pics to someone....:(

[enigma200316]

Great news Garter Fans...lol!!!
I have found an adult Brachystoma in the back yard, prolly about 14 to 15 inches long, and would appear to be gravid, so I took more pics, however their is a little trouble I guess you can say I rescued her actually their wear few kids that found her but I'm pretty sure she's gonna be alright,one nic on her side but not very bad, Lets hope she doesn't find them kids again, and I warned them about coming on my property again also...........:mad: anyway here they come so don't reply til I'm done, their are 4 pics.......:)

[enigma200316]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Picture_434.jpg
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Picture_435.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Picture_437.jpg
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/Picture_438.jpg

T. brachystoma, and yes you can put them in the Library!!!

[Garter_Gertie]

Did you say she's gravid? Maybe keep her around in something outside until she gives birth and then let them all go? Maybe that will keep her safe and give her and the kids an edge on surviving... From the boys/kids.

[infernalis]

Very nice Justin! Thanks for sharing:D

Impressive finds.

[jitami]

She's lovely Justin! Nice finds!

[drache]

what a lovely snake
thanks for the great photos

[Zephyr]

Heh... I'm starting to think T. brachystoma should be a butleri subspecies...

[enigma200316]

Heh... I'm starting to think T. brachystoma should be a butleri subspecies...

Thats what I thought it was with the first one found the baby,and then we figured it was brachystoma, which I am in prime area for both brachy, and butleri.......but I do think they look very simlar to Kyle!!!!:)

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

oh my god.... that is one of THE cutest snakes I have ever seen!!!!

[Zephyr]

Thats what I thought it was with the first one found the baby,and then we figured it was brachystoma, which I am in prime area for both brachy, and butleri.......but I do think they look very simlar to Kyle!!!!:)
Try extremely similar. Brachystoma looks like a 10x lighter butler's with an even smaller head, if that's even possible. XD

[milance]

Please, can you help me identify this species?
I can't say where is this photo taken, it's all I got... I don't even know the continent. But I would appreciate any help. :o

[Loren]

Nice snake- I'd say if she made it that far where she is, she hopefully will be ok there on her own. Just let the kids know that that type is illegal to catch.

[enigma200316]

Please, can you help me identify this species?
I can't say where is this photo taken, it's all I got... I don't even know the continent. But I would appreciate any help. :o


sry pics aren't that great, but I'm thinking maybe a Rat/Gopher snake
Hard to tell without better pics and knowing where this location is!!! I don't think its any kinda Garter though...

[infernalis]

I don't think its any kinda Garter though...

That much we can be sure of, unless they were caught near 3 mile island:eek:

http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/4em/ch02/figs/nuclear-power-plant.jpg

[Zephyr]

Please, can you help me identify this species?
I can't say where is this photo taken, it's all I got... I don't even know the continent. But I would appreciate any help. :oThey look like colubrids; probably some Asian rat snake species.