15 new het anerythristic red sideds

[infernalis]

Setting up to receive 15 het babies. all refusing feed.

Any tips on how I can get these critters started?

[adamanteus]

Slightly raise both the temp and the humidity for a few hours.

[Zephyr]

Whoa. Where are you getting all those from!? XD

[drache]

Whoa. Where are you getting all those from!? XD
same question

[infernalis]

same question

I'll answer that after they arrive:)

They are siblings, so if I successfully start them off, I would be happy to trade a couple for compatible babies.

I personally will not breed siblings, that is a personal choice, I believe in using unrelated bloodlines for healthier snakes. But thats just my opinion.

[ssssnakeluvr]

try small worms...a lot of my non-feeders have gotten going on worms. I have had real good luck feeding pinkies to worm eaters. also, I have used guppies in clear deli cup wate dishes, sometimes they want moving food to attract them. I would be interested in a pair if they start eating. got a male anery already.

[count dewclaw]

I hope they start eating for you (once you get them).

[infernalis]

Thank you leannne

Thats the whole deal, I made a very acceptable trade with a breeder for non feeding babies, they are otherwise very healthy. I happen to have the time, patience and some food items available to me that some folks cannot get.

If I have to start them on amphibians first, I'll try that. Baby night crawlers, James' suggestion on warming them up a tad in a humid environment.

And if all else fails, force feed them a reptile milkshake of pureed fish and vitamins.

Hopefully a little luck and patience will pay off.

[Sid]

Good luck with them, Wayne and keep us posted on their progress.

[anji1971]

Oh, I hope they all eat for you! Can't wait till they arrive and we can see pics!:)

[Zephyr]

Let's hope you can get them started! I've always wanted to try toadpoles to get unwilling baby snakes to feed. I may be able to convince my cousin to let me steal some from her pond. :P

[snakeman]

I probally know where he got them from.Thats how I got my silver in another post.The silver is already eating on its own.I also got 5 het anery red sides and a 66% het silver.Two of the red sides did eat so far.I am using guppies.

[GartersRock]

Ahh! Wherever you guys are getting these... Are there more available?

[ssssnakeluvr]

I probally know where he got them from.Thats how I got my silver in another post.The silver is already eating on its own.I also got 5 het anery red sides and a 66% het silver.Two of the red sides did eat so far.I am using guppies.
I have a good idea who also.... :D have gotten a few non-feeders and babies with tail tips missing...

[GartersRock]

Grrr.. You guys have got to spill it! PM me??

[Garter_Gertie]

I personally will not breed siblings, that is a personal choice, I believe in using unrelated bloodlines for healthier snakes. But thats just my opinion.


My hero. (she sighs)

[beaniesmommy]

From your forum responses I think yo have the heart, patience & knowledge to handle those little babies perfectly. :) Good Luck.

[jitami]

Aw, good luck Wayne!!! Looking forward to updates on the little guys!

[infernalis]

From your forum responses I think yo have the heart, patience & knowledge to handle those little babies perfectly. :) Good Luck.

What a very nice thing to say. I feel extremely flattered.

I also felt that under the circumstances, it was a calculated risk, yet not an impossible challenge. I won't need all 15, so several will get traded out once they are eating good.

[Zephyr]

What a very nice thing to say. I feel extremely flattered.

I also felt that under the circumstances, it was a calculated risk, yet not an impossible challenge. I won't need all 15, so several will get traded out once they are eating good.*Raises hand.* I'll take two plzkthx. XD

[adamanteus]

*Raises hand.* I'll take two plzkthx. XD

Wouldn't it be nice to see a whole lot more of this swapping/trading/sharing? It would reduce the need to collect from the wild... and it's 'friendly'. Just a shame I'm over here!:rolleyes:

[Zephyr]

Wouldn't it be nice to see a whole lot more of this swapping/trading/sharing? It would reduce the need to collect from the wild... and it's 'friendly'. Just a shame I'm over here!:rolleyes:In the "James" corner you mean?

[lestat]

Good luck with them.

[adamanteus]

In the "James" corner you mean?

Planet 'James'.:D

[Lumpy]

James, I task you with finding a 'friendly' postal service that will ship over the pond without causing cardiac arrest! :D

Lump

[Zephyr]

James, I task you with finding a 'friendly' postal service that will ship over the pond without causing cardiac arrest! :D

LumpMoi aussi. :O

[adamanteus]

That would be nice, wouldn't it? Please don't give me that task!:(

[Garter_Gertie]

James, izzit possible anyone over here that will be pond hopping for the Garter Get-Together, or whatever that thing is called, could bring them with?

Maybe all the Yanks going could pitch in for a permit - maybe??? - and one be the desginated baby carrier.

Mite be something to look into...

[adamanteus]

I'm afraid the meeting is in the US.... I can't persuade you guys to come to us!

[Lumpy]

Either way, it's a snake swap opportunity.

[adamanteus]

It is.... plans are already afoot, eh, Don?

[Lumpy]

Ya know, if we organize a wish list of what either side needs....

People chip in here and there for stock, we can broaden the CB lot.

[Garter_Gertie]

Well, poop.

James, look into getting a permit and you come HERE! :D Lulu and all the other folks over there could pitch in and YOU could be the designated Baby Carrier! :D

[adamanteus]

Okay. I particularly want Thamnophis everythingii.:D

[Garter_Gertie]

You Go, Lumpster! You Go!!!

[adamanteus]

Well, poop.

James, look into getting a permit and you come HERE! :D Lulu and all the other folks over there could pitch in and YOU could be the designated Baby Carrier! :D

You know, I really like the idea of a whole bunch of other people paying for me to come to the US... I'm in!:D

[Lumpy]

Yeah James, make a serious list of what you are looking for. Even if we scape up a pair, each side of the pond can have host board members breeding single pairs and swapping.

[Garter_Gertie]

You know, I really like the idea of a whole bunch of other people paying for me to come to the US... I'm in!:D

James, no. No, no, no. Nope. I'm sorry I didn't make myself clearer.

YOU pay for the ticket. THEY help pay for the permit that will allow you to bring back the snakes!

[adamanteus]

It's a great idea..... It needs some thought, study and planning, but it's a great idea!

[adamanteus]

YOU pay for the ticket. THEY help pay for the permit that will allow you to bring back the snakes!

Whoa, whoa... ticket... £500- Permit £15-. Something not working out here!

[Lumpy]

Great, now my brain hurts.

Lump

[Garter_Gertie]

May snot work, but if we don't examine the possibility we'll never know.

Hhhuuuummm... We over HERE could pay for a permit to allow you to bring you guyes snakes HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, man we are ON to sumpin'!!!!!!!!!!!

HEHE!

[Garter_Gertie]

Well, silly, then just switch it! THEY pay for the flight, YOU pay for the permit!

[Garter_Gertie]

Well, silly, then just switch it! THEY pay for the flight, YOU pay for the permit!

The idea is to have the greatest number of people pay the least personal amount towards the greatest outlay. That way nobody pays a fortune and all benefit by what's brought back.

[adamanteus]

If we all think carefully, and establish cross-pond links, next years get together could be a really good opportunity for a a serious 'swap-meet'.

[Garter_Gertie]

The man has his thinking cap on. Furshure.

[Garter_Gertie]

Since it was my idea, I get pick o'the litter!

ROFLOLPMP!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lumpy]

Well the math can be worked out. I don't think anyone would have issue with splitting permit fees. If we can organize it in a way that what we get/send back is a minimum, cost shouldn't be huge.

Say, a single pair or flames for England, or a single pair of wanderings for Sweden. And from there they can swap. I think Canada is the only concern. I don't know if they can take back from the US.

[adamanteus]

Just a gentle reminder.... certain species/sub-species are protected.. let's not suggest anything illegal on the forum.... The whole World can read this.

[Lumpy]

How does that apply to CB tho?

[adamanteus]

T.s.tetrataenia.

[Garter_Gertie]

Lumpy, why limit what we send our brethern? If the permit will allow a bazillion babies, we should send as many as we can. Isn't doing this for the snakes, too? Just think... We can infuse their lines, they ours. I, personally, wouldn't want to limit. If we're gonna share, lettuce share. LIke one big happy familly! :D

This detante stuff's great. To think tea taxes pissed us off and now here we are 200+ years later coming together with like minds over snakes.

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!

[Garter_Gertie]

Nope. Nothing Ill Eagle.

[adamanteus]

I like the way you think Gertie... I don't ALWAYS understand it, but I like it!:D

[Lumpy]

Sure, GG, no problem with that. I'm just saying for some species of Garter, they might not be as available. So we did up what we can if broods aren't available.

As to the protected thing too. We just state up front that anything WC that's protected will not be allowed or accepted.

Lump

[Garter_Gertie]

Gottcha, Lump. See where you're coming from.

James, I love you, too! :D That's a high compliment coming from you/

I've been doing this kind'a stuff for years. I was a publicist at the Hazelden Foundation, working with their authors. I'd set up way cool neat author events all over the country. More recently I've been doing stuff like this for the park. I established about five partnerships, one being Saturday's shindig with MAS (Minnesota Aquarium Society). I'm a natural marketer because there's a two-year-old trapped in my head, "Why?" "Why not?" "What if..." "How about..." "I bet if we..." And stuff like that.

James, if you want help on working on this and setting up sumpin' for next year, I will be glad to be your cohart and help out.

I just LOVE win-win situations! :D

[Garter_Gertie]

First rule:

"He who not pays goes without." You don't chip in you don't get squat and will wait until things are established here.

Of course, this all depends on the permit and number(s) allowed.

There's much to be investigated but ittiz DO-ABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Say only a pair is affordable and it's needed lots of folks pitch in, then plans need to be made on passing on babies - since you paid in. Things like if you have a line one of the pair would be compatible with, well you would prolly either get a baby or one of the pair could be leant/loaned to you for breeding.

You know. Gotta think this out.

[adamanteus]

Your enthusiasm alone should be enough to guarantee a successful meeting!

[Garter_Gertie]

Your enthusiasm alone should be enough to guarantee a successful meeting!

Awwwww, ((((((James)))))). You're a love.

I'm a balloon. You're the perfect anchor to keep me grounded. I do the ideas, you do the logic and sense.

We may have to start small, but maybe not. BUT... We will be able to do SOMETHING by next year.

I've a Fox Terrier personality. I'll find a way to go around, over or under.

We can do this!

You want help, James? I've got my hand in the air! (Donkey, "Pick ME! Picke ME!")

[Garter_Gertie]

Oh. Forgot to say I'm an Associate Producer in a documentary. Google "No Time For Cold Feet."

I'm 'green.'

[adamanteus]

(In Shrek's voice) 'Okay Donkey... come on'!
Task number one... generate sufficient interest to ensure a good turn out for the '09 meeting.... no people, no trade!

[Garter_Gertie]

Your enthusiasm alone should be enough to guarantee a successful meeting!

I'm not so sure I want to help facilitate the meeting. But I don't know, guess that would be a part of The Great Garter Gimmee. I guess I could. Yeah, sure. Why not.

But my main interest is in finding a way to beat the heart attack prices of shipping from here to there and vice versa. And also in a Group Garter Hug with friends exchanging. That to me is just so sweet.

[Zephyr]

... I can provide butler's and easterns. :D

[Garter_Gertie]

James, dear. We need our own thread to ponder this. And so I can send you my e-mail address. Oh! DUH! You have it!

First order of bidness is to think about the switch and exchange. THAT'S what's going to generate the xcitement. Figure out the logistics o'that, present it, ask for people to buy (some literally) in and THEN plan the meeting.

We'll have to figure out the xchange rate - like who would it be easier on to travel? You guys or us? Know what I mean?

We need a thread, James.

[Garter_Gertie]

Gotta think up sponsers. Too, just this whole crazy idea of ours will be able to bring us publicity in the press. They're gonna eat it up! How us little guys - both in how people look at garters and just a bunch o'nobodies - put this thing together because 1) we love garters, 2) we beat the importers, 3) we're a good group o'friends.

[Garter_Gertie]

I can provide ideas and help. I gots no snakes to donate. :(

[Garter_Gertie]

Also, we should put forth to the 'major' group that's like here all the time and for ever and ever, what expertise they have; what contacts they. Then bring them into the thread.

Maybe we've got a piolet here. Or a Customs official. You never know!

[adamanteus]

Gertie, I would suggest the 'World Meeting' thread. It's established... people are already looking at it. If you want to talk to 'just me', feel free to PM me.

[Garter_Gertie]

Zephy! YOU GO, BOYFRIEND!!! That is the spirit!

[adamanteus]

Okay. Here's the hard truth... the UK and European market want Mexican species... everything else is pretty much here already.... ( ordinoides is needed).
It seems the US want.. what? tetrateania and Natrix natrix?
We have problems from the off!

[Zephyr]

Okay. Here's the hard truth... the UK and European market want Mexican species... everything else is pretty much here already.... ( ordinoides is needed).
It seems the US want.. what? tetrateania and Natrix natrix?
We have problems from the off!
Ahem.... The Europeans dun have butler's. :D
Nor have I seen or heard of a northeastern phase T. s. sirtalis over thar.

[Lumpy]

Where are some or our Texas brethern? They might have some of the Mex species.

Lump

[Garter_Gertie]

Okay. Here's the hard truth... the UK and European market want Mexican species... everything else is pretty much here already.... ( ordinoides is needed).
It seems the US want.. what? tetrateania and Natrix natrix?
We have problems from the off!

But James, what about lines? What about specific offspring from the snakes everyone has seen and said, "I WAN ONE!!!" It's not just about different species, but lines and maybe even specific snakes/offspring from specific people.

I'd buy in just to be able to say - as I don't breed - "I've got James' baby."

Quite being so pessimistic and lettuce look at the positive.

[Lumpy]

Zephyr and I have your northeastern phase right here in our hot little hands!!

[Sid]

Okay. Here's the hard truth... the UK and European market want Mexican species... everything else is pretty much here already.... ( ordinoides is needed).
It seems the US want.. what? tetrateania and Natrix natrix?
We have problems from the off!
James, I don't think we will have any problems at all. If I remember correctly, you have stated Eastern aren't as readily available there as other species. If all goes well, I'll have Easterns for anyone wanting some. I'm having trouble getting "normal" Radix. The deal I was expecting to net me a pair last week fell apart....With a little luck we can have the male Florida Blue you need, etc.

[Garter_Gertie]

Lumpster, you and Zephy are a pair! LOL!!! You guys are cute!

[Garter_Gertie]

See, James? Keep your pecker up.

[Garter_Gertie]

It may be there are more 'wants' on the western edge o'the pond. That may be something to consider and the Yanks ante up more.

There's so much to this. There's no way to not succeed.

We'uns izz gonna come TOGETHER!

[adamanteus]

I hear you..... But maybe 'the Europeans' don't particularly want 'this line' or 'that line', they don't really want a North Eastern phase sirtalis.
We have to give people what they want, or they just won't buy into it.
I know what Europe wants... I want it too... and it's Mexican.

[infernalis]

Also from what I have seen, the Europeans have some of the sweetest bloodlines already there.

Alan Francis has some stunning animals, The prices per animal may be slightly higher, but the animals are beautiful.

So the price to import a realativly "normal" eastern would exceed the cost of the highest quality "morph" bred from stock already in Europe.

[Garter_Gertie]

It can be worked on an looked into. Don't start tossing up road blocks at the outset.

We need to make that list of wants, ponder it, ask folks about it and see what we can do.

Maybe the Yanks pay more. (shrugs shoulders) Not everybody is going to go home happy. It's a case of those wanting, those pay. It's not a case of equal satisfaction. You may take home less than you bring. In that case, you'd pay less. Know what I mean?

We'll work on it. Stay calm. This is only the very first day of the ideas for The Grand Garter Gimme.

[adamanteus]

Precisely so, Wayne.. they want what they want.. So, can we give it?

[Garter_Gertie]

I didn't understand anything of what you said, Wayne. But that's fine. I will later. Don't need to xplain.

Another thing, James, it's not all of Europe I had in mind helping. Just those here. Granted, you guys - here - want something you can breed to satisfy the rest o'Europe. That's understood. But like I said, we may have to start small. This is only going to be the first time for this.

Baby steps, baby steps.

[Garter_Gertie]

At the VERY LEAST, James, dearhart, you will have opened the door - flood gates? - for xchange. Mexicans can't be far behind, huh?

[infernalis]

James, Are you referring to the mezoamerican Garters?

Or has the European market suddenly gone milks?

[Garter_Gertie]

DeKayWayne... I bet James has toddled off. It's got to be, what? 3:00 AM there???????

Ya gotta love the guy and his love o'his garters and this place.

Sweet dreams, James!

[anji1971]

Wow..........
You've all been busy while I took an evening off!
This looks to be an interesting idea, but I have no inkling what will work for those of us in Canada. Ironically, even though we're attached to the USA, we sure are isolated in some ways!!:rolleyes:
I haven't had a lot of luck finding out about breeders/selection over here.
Heard about Tetrataenia, and Flame Eastern, but nothing specific. And I think the prices are pretty high. So it sounds like we could use just about any species!
I would think there must be permits for bringing them from the states, after all, the pet stores manage to get them in. Unfortunately, my search skills are poor at best, so I'm not even sure where to look, but I'll try to find out something. I just know that permits etc. that are easy to get for the US always seem to be much more difficult here.
My only limit is that I'm not into breeding, so if Canadian members want anything specific, it would have to be another member who takes on that responsibility. But if there's a way to get certain specimens over here easier, then I'm in! Once they're here, they can be shipped all over the country.

[infernalis]

Back to my anery hets, I just tracked the box, yahoo by 10-11:00 am they are here. Weeeee

I'll get those suckers eating!!! wait and see:D:D

[Garter_Gertie]

Oh, Wayne! Good luck and gods bless! You go, boyfriend! Give them my love, hugs and kisses.

Keep us informed! GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Snaky]

Good luck :)

[infernalis]

They are here!!! lots of squiggly little red sided babies......

http://www.reformedsniper.net/hets/het3.jpg

http://www.reformedsniper.net/hets/het1.jpg

http://www.reformedsniper.net/hets/het2.jpg

I'm going to let them settle in before I start placing food iems in there.

[adamanteus]

They look good, Wayne.:)

[infernalis]

Thanks James, They came from Scott Felzer, he could not get them to eat, I explained that I have much available foods to try, so here I am with 15 expensive het breeders to try and "Salvage"

Hopefully I succeed at least to a degree, and I know I'll probably beat myself up when or if I lose any along the way.

They are already a tad skinny compared to the ones I bought.

Good news is it has been raining a lot, so worms and amphibians are everywhere to gather, I have never seen a Garter turn down a newt....

The "wogs" are ready to drop tail, so tiny frogs will be abundant if I can beat the local snakes/birds to the catch..

[jitami]

They're gorgeous Wayne. Good luck with them!

[ssssnakeluvr]

I kinda figured they came from him...have gotten some from him myself in the past. nice looking little snakes!!!! good luck!!!

[infernalis]

Well if this is any sign, I put some worms in there, and I can verify one snake consuming a worm. Several other worms have gone missing.

I placed a school of guppies in the water bowl.....

Wahoo one ate already!:D:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

awwww very cute!!!!:D good luck!!!:D:D

[Lori P]

YES!!!!!! Congrats Wayne-- I can't wait to see how they do for you. They are such beautiful little babies. Keep us updated! All the time! Now! Update us NOW!! Oh-- er-- sorry. :-)

[GartersRock]

Great news!!

[jitami]

YES!!!!!! Congrats Wayne-- I can't wait to see how they do for you. They are such beautiful little babies. Keep us updated! All the time! Now! Update us NOW!! Oh-- er-- sorry. :-)

LOL... glad I'm not the only one... come on Wayne, you couldn't possibly have anything else to do! :p

[garterchick]

congratulations wayne, that's terrific news about these beautiful little snakes, sounds like they have a good chance of making it. maybe the shipping stirred their hunger?

[Garter_Gertie]

Wayne, they're so pretty! One's eating already - it's your magic touch!

[anji1971]

They're beautiful, Wayne!
Best of luck with them, and hope they ALL eat for you!:)

[Sid]

Best of luck, Wayne. They look great.

[count dewclaw]

Beautiful bunch of little snakes you got there, Wayne!

[infernalis]

Beautiful bunch of little snakes you got there, Wayne!

Hard to tell right now, they all have been hiding for the last few hours:D

Thanks everyone, let's keep our fingers crossed, I'm going to throw more worms in there tomorrow.

[infernalis]

Someone does not know how to count very well. I was told 15, hmmmmm.:D

http://www.reformedsniper.net/hets/15.jpg

[count dewclaw]

They must have sent some for me!!! :D:rolleyes:

[Garter_Gertie]

They must have sent some for me!!! :D:rolleyes:


No. You're wrong. I GET AT LEAST ONE. YEAH!:D:D:D

[count dewclaw]

No. You're wrong. I GET AT LEAST ONE. YEAH!:D:D:D

But I live alot closer! :D:p

[Garter_Gertie]

But I live alot closer! :D:p

Well... Well... Well...

DANG IT! THASS NOT FAIR! :D;) Cheater! ;)

[beaniesmommy]

I new it Wayne, it is that kind heart... :) They are beauties! Is that 17?

[GartersRock]

Scott has his weak points I am sure. *evil laugh*

[beaniesmommy]

Like patience... Well if we pre-order something and really show an interest and hope and pray all the babies won't eat maybe we'll get a whole boat load delivered to us too. :rolleyes:

[infernalis]

Yep, I counted 17....

I hope they all come around and eat.

I'll be a lot more optimistic when I see them eat like the other 4, Melanie, Magma & the radix pair eat like little pigs....

Oh and I forgot, but I wanted to make sure it was clear, I still had to pay for these babies, just not as much as good eaters. Scott has earned the reputation he has by treating his customers and his snakes well. He would not have been comfortable selling these babies to anyone unless they were going to have a 100 percent good experience.

Imagine the nightmare if Scott just sold these to anyone for his normal prices, and ten people had baby snakes die, his reputation would be soiled for a long time.

[count dewclaw]

I figured you still had to pay...I was just joking around. :D;) I take it you have done business with Scott before, so he knows your track record, correct?

[infernalis]

Yes Leanne I have known Scott for a while.

Joking around?? We don't do any of that on this forum now do we??

[infernalis]

Several snakes from this batch are now eating....:D:D

Now I need to gather a bunch more food for them....

[Lori P]

Good job Wayne. We bow to you!!!!!!!

[drache]

you go, Wayne
I'm totally rooting for every one of those little guys

[count dewclaw]

Joking around?? We don't do any of that on this forum now do we??

You're right, it was wrong of me to be joking around...I won't do it again! ;):rolleyes::p

[infernalis]

I found the secret weapon, they have been gulping like mad all day.

Now mind you these little guys have not yet eaten since birth, Red sided garters are hearty and these are no exception....:D

http://www.reformedsniper.net/2/eat1.jpg

The predator and it's prey...

http://www.reformedsniper.net/2/prey.jpg

The cleanest pollution free place I know, it's my home

http://www.reformedsniper.net/2/tad.jpg

This one is surreal, the water is so clear, not only can you see bottom perfectly, the surface reflection is so un-canny, look close you can see my finger. (and the tadpole)

http://www.reformedsniper.net/2/flash.jpg

Anyone understand why I would be not so friendly to trespassers?

[Lori P]

WOW Wayne!!!! You rock!!!! Those little babies are loving life at Wayne's Place. :-)

[drache]

I gather they're ALL eating?
that's awesome
can I send you blueberry, the rescued ribbon?
I haven't got her to eat yet, but I haven't tried anything live yet either

[infernalis]

I gather they're ALL eating?
that's awesome
can I send you blueberry, the rescued ribbon?
I haven't got her to eat yet, but I haven't tried anything live yet either


"I gather they're ALL eating?"

That I cannot verify without feeding them one at a time, there still very skittish, however, there was a feeding frenzy going on in that tank, and some 50+ of those baby toads are all ate and gone.

"can I send you blueberry, the rescued ribbon?
I haven't got her to eat yet, but I haven't tried anything live yet either"

Sure, I'd love to...

I will PM you again with my addy and phone number.

[GartersRock]

50 + gone! lol! =D Great job Wayne!

[infernalis]

Should have seen how much work it was chasing tiny little toads that were tadpoles a couple days ago:D

We had these green aquarium nets, it was fun..

I got another bucket with some damp moss, and have toads for a little while.

And the best part, these are cleaner than any feeder fish you could ever buy anywhere, the water they came from is so clean I could bottle it.

I would have to be near death with thirst before I'd drink from petco's feeder fish display:rolleyes:

[Spiritwolf]

beware, those little brats will probably all be gifted with the Houdini talent baby garters seem to possess in too much abundance! Making enclosures escape proof isn't easy.

[Spiritwolf]

I hope Scott didnt sell all his red sided het anery babies to you! I've been waiting to get some red sided normal het anery babies from him too, along with an adult boyfriend for JC. (Been waiting since winter for him to have red sided het anery babies and I was thrilled when I heard some were born. After that, I've been waiting til he was sure they were eating well enough to be ready for the stress of home change, etc)

[Spiritwolf]

Although scott had started the boys I got last year, on pinkies, when they came to me they decided to try to starve themselves and I had to resort to feeding them earthworms to get them to eat. I would go to the woods and dig up small earthworms for them and still regularly go dig up small earthworms for them since thats all they will eat even now. I figure when they finally grow up, I'll try to trick them into scented pinkies.

There have been times when I was scared the smallest one might not make it, and I feed him every 3 days. He still is much smaller than his brother, but has better muscle tone than he used to have. The smallest one also learned a cute trick of opening his mouth when he sees me coming with a worm, and I drop the worm into his open mouth and he eats it.

[infernalis]

Spiritwolf, I had announced my intentions to trade a few of these.

PM me if you have any snakes of interest, I'm quite open minded.

I just checked and all of them are twice the diameter they were on arrival.

They have all ate, and are now full, there are still little toads hopping around in there, so they are done eating for now.

We trapped some small shiners, and put them in the water bowl, along with baby night crawlers (not in the water bowl)

After I make sure they are chowing good, They will be ready to swap.

[Spiritwolf]

Unfortunately, I am not yet breeding, but in the stage of acquiring and waiting for potential breeding stock to grow up.
Would you consider selling two girls and a boy for a reasonable price?

I could also trade some unique beadwork or T-shirt painting for babies, in fact I could make a leather keychain with fringe, with your choice of garter done in beads coiled around it.

Below are some examples of beadwork and T-shirt painting (freehand drawn and painted) I've done so you can get an idea of my work.