Hello ;-) & Question

[koki]

Hello:), I am new here and greet all garter snake fanatics.
Also I ask for the help in classifying 2 species:

First one: http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/uploads/58af657f39.jpg

Second one: http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/uploads/6011f4d8a7.jpg

I need to know species and sub-species;).
I apologize for mine mistakes and ask for the leniency. Mine English not is good:(.
Thanks for the help and I greet from the Poland :)

[adamanteus]

Hi Krzysiek, and welcome to the forum.:)
Your English is fine, I understand you perfectly well, it's certainly better than my Polish!

You have two Ribbon Snakes, Thamnophis sauritus (I believe), I cannot say the sub-species from the photos.... and Ribbon Snakes aren't my strong point. I'm sure someone will be able to help you though.

Edit: On second thoughts... that first picture could be T. proximus, the dark ventro-lateral stripe appears to be absent. Anyone?

[Stefan-A]

Welcome aboard. :)

[el lobo]

Wow. just shows how much I know haha...I thought the second was a blue eastern. How can you tell? Is the first a male? just trying to learn a little more...

[adamanteus]

Wow. just shows how much I know haha...I thought the second was a blue eastern. How can you tell? Is the first a male? just trying to learn a little more...

The lateral stripe is too high to be T. sirtalis. Shame the picture isn't just a little sharper. I think she's gravid too!

[Gijs & Sabine]

Welcome here :)
I'm not sure about the first one, could be a T.sauritus indeed. But the second one is a T.proximus proximus, we have them as well. Yours is a very nice one with a lot of blue !! Telling from the picture I should say you have a pregnant female there ;) (or am I totaly wrong about the size??)

[el lobo]

Oh, ok. cool.

[drache]

the first is a ribbon snake - some sauritus species
we used to have one that looked just like yours, with no dorsal stripe
nice snakes
and welcome to the forum

[koki]

I do a bit better photos:)

First one: http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/uploads/f00409da3b.jpg
http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/uploads/d52d317e02.jpg
http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/uploads/9e74be58bc.jpg
http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/uploads/8a38d5341f.jpg
http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/uploads/35786879e4.jpg

Second one: http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/uploads/0900a60749.jpg
http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/uploads/fd9f90a6a4.jpg
http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/uploads/831623c73d.jpg
http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/uploads/b555a20756.jpg

;)

[Zephyr]

The second photo is DEFINATELY Thamnophis proximus orarius.
The first looks like Thamnophis sauritus (subspecies).

[adamanteus]

I think the first one is proximus, not sauritus, but I can't say which sub-species.....
I'm with Sabine on the second one...proximus proximus.

[Stefan-A]

The first one: Leaning towards T. sauritus sackenii. The second one: T. proximus proximus.

[Zephyr]

I think the first one is proximus, not sauritus, but I can't say which sub-species.....
I'm with Sabine on the second one...proximus proximus.
I'm tending to lean towards proximus on the first one, but the second one has to be T. p. orarius; it looks exactly like my female and orarius is usually imported and sold as the "ribbon snake" in most stores.

**EDIT- If they were purchased from the same store, then the first one is most likely proximus as well.

[adamanteus]

Am I wrong in thinking that sauritus has the dark ventrolateral stripe.... missing in the pics of the first snake? I must admit I'm not confident on my Ribbon IDs.

[anji1971]

I'll stay out of the ID game (other than to agree that they're ribbons) and just say hello, and welcome!!:D
Both snakes are very beautiful, by the way.

[drache]

T. sauritus sackenii has a tan dorsal stripe that sometimes blends in with the base colour, which ranges from tan to olive

[adamanteus]

T. sauritus sackenii has a tan dorsal stripe that sometimes blends in with the base colour, which ranges from tan to olive

I know.... but doesn't sauritus have a dark ventolateral stripe?

[Stefan-A]

Doesn't it have a dark ventrolateral stripe, though?

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

doesn't it have a dark ventrolateral stripe?!?!?! though?

:p

[adamanteus]

It's my eyes or my monitor! I see no dark stripe... we're talking about the same snake, right? The first one?

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

lol idk i was just chiming in trying to be extremely repetetive, I don't see one!

yes the first snake!

[adamanteus]

[quote=aSnakeLovinBabe;59412]lol idk i was just chiming in trying to be extremely repetetive, I don't see one!quote]

LOL. Nutter!:D
I still think it's a proximus.

[Odie]

Hi, from Oregon, Krzysiek :)

[Stefan-A]

It's my eyes or my monitor! I see no dark stripe... we're talking about the same snake, right? The first one?
Well, how dark do you expect it to be? :)

[Garter_Gertie]

Welcome, Koki!

[koki]

Thanks all for the help :)