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Zephyr
06-13-2008, 03:55 PM
Reed and I are having a little squabble here on one of my babies I bought a week or two ago. It has red cheeks and, to my knowledge, came from pure parietalis parents. The other brothers/sisters look 100% like parietalis.
So, what's everyone's opinion on the proper ID of this snake?
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6011/img0568bc2.jpg

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5219/img0569ge4.jpg
EdgyExoticReptiles
06-13-2008, 03:57 PM
not a parietalis, kinda looks like a fitchi x parietalis not sure for you say it was from the same litter of all parietalis...
adamanteus
06-13-2008, 03:59 PM
I think parietalis..... totally.
And a very nice one!
EdgyExoticReptiles
06-13-2008, 04:00 PM
really? i didnt know they could have red on the face...

I think parietalis..... totally.
adamanteus
06-13-2008, 04:00 PM
Of course I can't be 100% sure... but I think it is.
EdgyExoticReptiles
06-13-2008, 04:02 PM
yea the only reason i was confused is because it looked like a red-sided but then the red on the face i had never seen ona red-sided before so i suggested a hybrid..

Of course I can't be 100% sure... but I think it is.
adamanteus
06-13-2008, 04:06 PM
Well Reed, it's CB so you can never really tell. You may be right. I'm sure I've seen red on parietalis face before though.... I'm just checking now....
gregmonsta
06-13-2008, 04:09 PM
Parietichi???
adamanteus
06-13-2008, 04:10 PM
Red Valley Garter Snake?
Stefan-A
06-13-2008, 11:43 PM
Looks like there may be a concinnus in there, not necessarily a fitchi. ;) Most of the head seems to be red, not just the cheeks.

But it's a parietalis.
EdgyExoticReptiles
06-14-2008, 01:24 AM
i was thinking that too because fitchi usually just has a dot of red

Looks like there may be a concinnus in there, not necessarily a fitchi. ;) Most of the head seems to be red, not just the cheeks.

But it's a parietalis.
reptileparadise
06-14-2008, 01:39 AM
I'd say thats a very nice parietalis!
i've seen some parietalis with red cheeks, but thats often temporarily. Only in their first weeks of live. It looks like yours is older then a few months though :D
Send it to me!
Stefan-A
06-14-2008, 01:58 AM
My parietalis had a brownish head when I got her as a yearling, but it has turned grey since then. Who knows how it looked before that. Probably not red, but you see what I'm getting at. ;)
reptileparadise
06-14-2008, 06:28 AM
I just took some pictures of my young parietalis. They aren't as red as the beauty on page on, but you'll get the idea...

now...where did I leave my camera...:o
andyoconnor83
06-14-2008, 07:20 AM
yeah you have to look at the side stripes and what scale rows they are on too. With CB snakes, colors aren't reliable to id a snake without also looking at scalation. I would say that looks like a very nice parietalis, no fitchi.
Stefan-A
06-14-2008, 08:58 AM
Do the side stripes differ between fitchi and parietalis, Andy?
snakeman
06-14-2008, 11:53 AM
there are Cali red sides that look like that.
reptileparadise
06-14-2008, 12:37 PM
You can see a bit of a red blush, but not nearly as nice as you're animal Sephyr! She(?) really is stunning!
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/Kousebanden/DSCF0689Small.jpg
andyoconnor83
06-14-2008, 02:02 PM
LOL Stefan, I looked back and remembered that they don't enough to make a positive id, I was thinking of fitchi vs. pickeringii and concinnus. sorry my statement isn't applicable, but I still see a nice interesting parietalis over a fitchi, other than ordinoides, fitchi are probably the most common wild snake I have seen in the wild and there is just something about this snake that would seem off if I were told it to be a fitchi, but that wouldn't rule out a intergrade.
Zephyr
06-14-2008, 02:08 PM
As I stated, the parents are supposedly 100% parietalis and the other siblings show it.