Sooty babies

[Snake lover 3-25]

Rhea did it so i felt compelled to as well!!!!:D:p
guess how many!!!:D

here's her mose recent pic

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/IMG_5177.JPG

and her back end:D

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/IMG_5178.JPG

[Stefan-A]

7

That's right.

[Snake lover 3-25]

oh yeah i forgot she's 20"

[adamanteus]

18 beautiful (but frighteningly small) Sooty babies.

[drache]

my guess is 11

[Zephyr]

9... Maybe 7 with 3 still births.

[Snake lover 3-25]

that's 10 and i DO NOT WANT ANY OF THOSE!!!!!:(:(

[adamanteus]

9... Maybe 7 with 3 still births.


That makes 10, not 9! Math not your strong point, Kyle?:rolleyes:;):D

[Snake lover 3-25]

:pha ha ha i beat you james!!!:D :p

[Sid]

A guess of 15, all healthy

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

i guess 12

[Elliot]

I guess 13.

[anji1971]

I'll guess 8 big fat healthy babies!:D

[Lori P]

44,000!!! Oh. Ok. Maybe not. How about....

16.

[Snake lover 3-25]

44,000!!!

i hope so!!!!! i'm most likely going to let most if not all of them go and that would sure help the local pop!!!!!!:D

[count dewclaw]

How about 17.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

is there a baby prize for the winner?

i hope so!!!!! i'm most likely going to let most if not all of them go and that would sure help the local pop!!!!!!:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

sure if you don't care that i don't have any idea who the father is and you are willing to pay shipping and give it a good home...... yes!!!! and who doesn't wan't to see updates on their babies progress????? yes and if anyone wants one they can pm me.... but i have no idae about all of the legal stuff...... so..... LOL well that's about it.....:D but it all depends on how many there are!!!:D:D:D hopefully alot of big healthy ones!!!:D

[Tori]

I'm guessing 5

[Snaky]

I guess 14 :)

[reptileparadise]

Uhm...20 then

[Snake lover 3-25]

Sooty is 68 grams for anyone who hasn't yet guessed!!!:D:D:D:D:D

[lestat]

Has any one gone for 21 thats my guess. Good luck with them.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

my guess is 19!

[Josh]

12
(10 more letters)

[Snake lover 3-25]

she's getting really fat....:D:D:D i'm hoping for alot.... so i can give the winner 2 and EVERYONE else 1!!!!:D:D:D

[adamanteus]

I hope you get loads, Shanley.:) X

[Snake lover 3-25]

i'm thinking about giving them all away and/or keeping 1........ but i have NO idae about how to ship them......... any help?????????:D:D:D:D:D

[Stefan-A]

I hope you get loads, Shanley.:) X
Absolutely, that's just about the most beautiful eastern I've seen so far. :)

[Josh]

Ill take one I have plenty of room
and ill send you a helpful link i found about shipping in a minute

[Snake lover 3-25]

yup and i'm almost positive that she's meadow's baby!!!!!:D:D so maybe i'll get that 3 generation dream after all!!!!!:D:D:D:D

[adamanteus]

i'm thinking about giving them all away and/or keeping 1........ but i have NO idae about how to ship them......... any help?????????:D:D:D:D:D

I would ask people to collect.... If they want them enough, they'll come get them.;)

[Snake lover 3-25]

LOL yeah....... but i can see why they wouldn't be able to...... being on the OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD and all..........:D:D:D:p

[Stefan-A]

I would ask people to collect.... If they want them enough, they'll come get them.;)
Or send one of their minions. :D You could pick up a couple at the thamnophis.com world meeting. ;)

[adamanteus]

LOL yeah....... but i can see why they wouldn't be able to...... being on the OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD and all..........:D:D:D:p

Oh right, I thought you were talking about local shipping. If you really want to ship them a long way, the shipping company will advise you. But you would need good insulated packaging.... and it wouldn't be cheap.

[Snake lover 3-25]

o

how long do people usually keep them 4????????:D:D:D

[Josh]

Shipping Reptiles (http://www.arbreptiles.com/shipping/index.shtml)

[adamanteus]

o

how long do people usually keep them 4????????:D:D:D

Do you mean how long do they keep the babies before selling them/giving them away?
If so, it's usual to ensure they are eating regularly first, them off they go!

[Snake lover 3-25]

okay thanks Josh and James

[Josh]

no problem

[Snake lover 3-25]

so she hit 73 grams today............ wonder when she'll pop.........:D:D:D:D she's getting really antsy and trying to get out of her cage alot........... is this a sign??????? i hope so!!!!! i want babies!!!!!!!!:D:D

[Stefan-A]

I think that restlessness was indeed a sign.

[Snake lover 3-25]

:D:D i REALLY can't wait!!!!!!!!!!! HURRY UP SOOTY!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D

[Howler]

-Blinks- Any news on this?

>.> I'm guessing 23. Favorite number should come in handy for something.

[KITKAT]

I thought I already ventured a number, but I don't see my post!

Late entry in this contest... 29!

[SpyrotheGartersnake]

my guess is 12 sooty babies! i hope they come nice and healthy wish you best of luck being a grandmother the for snakes:D:D

[Charlet_2007]

i dont know if i posted yet or not but i guess 19 babies :D:D:D

[jeanette]

where are these babies??? im so excited and its not my snake expecting lol :D:D

[Loren]

yeah, where are they? I want babies now!!!
:)

[Snake lover 3-25]

ME TOO!!!!!! i'm gona die waiting!!!!!!!

[Loren]

I think shes just a little chubby- probably arent even any babies in her.
:D:D:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

:(:(:(:(:(:(

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

omg dont do that to poor shanley lol she already has a cage ready for them!!!

Shanley pass this letter on to sooty:


Dear Sooty,

HURRY......UP!! :D

Love,
Thamnophis.com

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol she's so cute... i couldn't possibly yell at her!!!:D:D:D

[Zephyr]

On a second note, my albino checkered looks like she'll pop tonight or tomorrow. Hopefully Sooty will do the same. ^^

[Snake lover 3-25]

:mad:actually... i have finals this week and on monday of next.... :mad: so maybe she was listening when i was talking about MAYBE wanting her to wait till next tuesday....:o:rolleyes:

[GartersRock]

Ok, Shanley! I'm here! =)
HURRY UP SOOTY! You exceptionally gorgeous girl! ;)

[Snake lover 3-25]

OMG!!!!! i feel lumps!!!!!!! YAY!!!! i have NO idea how many but i feel them!!!!:D:D:D:D

[GartersRock]

:cool: Yay, yay, YAY!!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

wow she gained MORE weight!!! 76 grams!!!!!:eek: how much bigger can she get???!!!!:eek: no wonder she stopped eating!!!:eek:

[GartersRock]

I hope she has TONS!

[Snake lover 3-25]

ME TOO ME TOO ME TOO HURRY UP SOOTY!!!!!!!!! my friend's coming over on thurs she can help me!!!! come on come on!!!!!!:eek:

[GartersRock]

Maybe if you just give her a little squeeze.... JUST KIDDING. lol! =D

[Snake lover 3-25]

:(:(:( her skin's getting so streached out it looks so dull..... wait!!!!! maybe i missed the blue stage!!!!!!:eek::eek:

[GartersRock]

Hmmm...! Here's hoping!
Hey, think you could post some update pics of her?

[Snake lover 3-25]

LOLOL ROFLMAO!!!! too funny!!! think i should try??? :D:D:D:D:p

[Snake lover 3-25]

i feel at least 2 lumps maybe 3 and some ???squish?????? closer to the begining of her fat part!!!:eek::eek:

[KITKAT]

:(:(:( her skin's getting so streached out it looks so dull..... wait!!!!! maybe i missed the blue stage!!!!!!:eek::eek:

Many of my girls shed with the birth.

[Snake lover 3-25]

what do you mean???:confused:

[drache]

Shanley
I feel with you

[KITKAT]

Was that me you were asking, "What do you mean?"

My girls often shed on the day or two before they give birth.

I figure it is because they get so big that the skin is stretching.:eek:

[Snake lover 3-25]

oh i get it!!!!! thanks!!!!! i was confused!!!:D:D

[SpyrotheGartersnake]

can i have one of the sooty babies i can send you a message on how to send it to people

[anji1971]

Chili shed only 24 hours before giving birth, and I'm not sure she even had a blue stage. It just kind of happened all together.

[Snake lover 3-25]

sweet!!!!:eek:


i have a reliable website on shipping.... but right now i have no idea how many she'll have but where do you live????:D

[SpyrotheGartersnake]

well i just moved here last month i live in philadelphia
my address is 1309 patrick henry pl my zip code is 19122
and just in case here
for shipping you need a deli container big enough for the snake. it needs air holes in it. you put the snake inside with a damp paper towel to keep them from dehydrating. you put a few pieces of tape around the edges to hold it shut. then pack it inside a box with crumpled newspaper to pad the container. you put the container in a box, don't seal it air tight. the cheapest way to ship is with the postal service express mail. it isn't legal, but its cheap....just don't tell them that is a snake. fedex does ship overnight also...don't tell them its snakes either...you need to register with them and have an account to do that and if you are only shipping once in a while you won't need an account. always ship overnight or express. if you are going to ship me a snake, hope thats all you need

[Snake lover 3-25]

okay well i'll pm you depending on how many she has!!!:D:D

[SpyrotheGartersnake]

okay i can't wait with the beautiful colors she has who know what colors the babies will be!

[Snake lover 3-25]

i know i'm very excited!!!!:eek:

[count dewclaw]

the cheapest way to ship is with the postal service express mail. it isn't legal, but its cheap....just don't tell them that is a snake.

Shanley, since this is the United States Postal Service we are talking about that makes it a federal crime! Is your future worth the few bucks you'd save if you get caught?! Just think it through carefully!

[Snake lover 3-25]

yeah... i didn't say i was going to do it!!!! lol i've never broken any laws!!!!:eek: but no i'll prob. just ship them legally or have people come pick them up... but i have no idea how many she will have so i may not be shipping any at all!!!:eek: ;)

[count dewclaw]

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you would ship illegally...I just wanted to make sure you knew what was at stake. :D

[Snake lover 3-25]

no problem!!! lol but you're right there is no need to break any laws to save a few bucks.... but lol everyone sounds diff. on the web.... :D:D:D

[KITKAT]

I have used fed ex, but I hear that there is a way to sign up to ship reptiles on DHL also.:confused:

[Snake lover 3-25]

idk.... but we'll find a way if there are enough to give away!!!:D:D:D

[SpyrotheGartersnake]

:(sorry i usualy ship stuff by fedx but i got the idea from ssssnakeluvrrrr

[Snake lover 3-25]

no prob everyone thinks differently!!!!:D:D:D:D be happy!!! LOLOL:D:D

[SpyrotheGartersnake]

:):):):d:d:d

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Steps To Become Fedex Certified!!! - Shipping (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33533&page=1&pp=5)

:(sorry i usualy ship stuff by fedx but i got the idea from ssssnakeluvrrrr

[Snake lover 3-25]

well.... that may be helpful!!!! thanks!!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D

[Zephyr]

Shanley, since this is the United States Postal Service we are talking about that makes it a federal crime! Is your future worth the few bucks you'd save if you get caught?! Just think it through carefully!I vaguely recall that the US government actually isn't involved with USPS. It's just a name.

[KITKAT]

I vaguely recall that the US government actually isn't involved with USPS. It's just a name.

Mail fraud is more highly penalized than regular fraud.

Mail fraud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_fraud)

Now if you actually took time to read those... you will notice that mailing of improper materials is not mail fraud, by definition. But read on...

USPS regulations:
9.3.3 Small Cold-Blooded Animals

Small, harmless, cold-blooded animals (except snakes and turtles) that do not require food or water or attention during handling in the mail and that do not create sanitary problems or obnoxious odors are mailable (e.g., baby alligators and caimans not more than 20 inches long, bloodworms, earthworms, mealworms, salamanders, leeches, lizards, snails, and tadpoles).

9.7.2 Criminal Penalties

18 USC 1716D provides criminal penalties for mailing anything nonmailable under 39 USC 3015(a), (b), or (d).

See those penalties here:

Criminal statute, 18 U.S.C. § 1716D, enacted in 1994, makes it a crime knowingly to deposit for mailing or delivery anything that 39 U.S.C. § 3015 declares to be nonmailable matter. In addition, the Postal Service has authority under 39 U.S.C. § 3001 to dispose of nonmailable matter which reaches the office of delivery.

Sec. 1716D.
A person who knowingly deposits for mailing or delivery, or
knowingly causes to be delivered by mail, according to the
direction thereon, or at any place at which it is directed to be
delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, anything that
section 3015 of title 39 declares to be nonmailable matter shall be
fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

[Snake lover 3-25]

hmmmmmm.......... but it doesn't say snakes on that list of small cold-blooded animals????? :confused:

[drache]

it says "except snakes and turtles" specifically
I think that makes it pretty clear

[Snake lover 3-25]

:o:ooops!!! i missed that!!! thanks:o:o:rolleyes:

[Snake lover 3-25]

so i've had sooty for almost 9 wks now... :eek: :D and so i was thinking... if she got pregnant the day that i caught her then she would have between like 20-50 more days.... but i think that she prob got pregnant b4 that..... so anywhere from today till around aug 10.....:(:( so....... if she doesn't have them by then but she is still fat what do i do????

[Snake lover 3-25]

78 grams today!!!!!!:eek:

here are some pics....

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_015.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_018.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_009.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_003.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_002.JPG

[Stefan-A]

Absolutely beautiful. :)

[Snake lover 3-25]

thank you Stefan!

if she gains 2 more grams she will have added 30% to her original body weight!!!!!!!:eek:

[anji1971]

Shanley, if she adds any more weight, I think she's gonna explode!!:D
Just kidding..........she looks great, and I'd think you're going to have a whole mess of baby Sooty's shortly!

[Snake lover 3-25]

i hope so!!!!! but she really does look like she's going to EXPLODE!!!!!!!! i feel so bad for her..... she's so stretched out!!!! she's gona be a wrinkled mess once she gives birth!!!!!

[GartersRock]

Lol! She's HUGE.... =D

[Snake lover 3-25]

OMG OMG OMG!!!!! she did it!!!!!!!!!!:eek::eek: i woke up this morning and they were everywhere!!!!! there are alot!!!! i lost count...:o 14???? 15???? sorry..... no pics.... she has them the night b4 my first day of work!!!!!!:mad: stupid responsibilities!!!!!!! :mad: WHOOOO HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

[Stefan-A]

Congratulations! :)

That's one damn fine looking snake you have there. I wonder if anybody on this side of the pond has anything like her.

[Garter_Gertie]

He,he,he,he,he! Congratulations, Shanley! Sooty Babies! Can't wait for the pics!

[infernalis]

Congradulations Shanley!!:D

http://www.danceswithreptiles.com/1fun/stimp.jpg

[Lori P]

CONGRATS!!!!! I can't wait to see pics!!!!!!

[ScimitarX]

Congratulation:D Looking forward to those pics!

[anji1971]

Great news!!:):cool:
Congratulations...................and try to keep your mind on your work!!:D

[count dewclaw]

Congratulations! What fun.

[jitami]

Awwwww, yay Sooty! Congratulations Shanley! I can't believe you left us hanging with no pictures! lol kidding.... hopefully your first day of work will go very quickly for you so you can get home to play with the babies!

[GartersRock]

OMG OMG YAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!! Congrats!!!!! Can't wait for pics!!!!!!!!

[reptileparadise]

Awesome! Pictures please :D

[Snake lover 3-25]

ok i'm back!!!! taught toddlers for 6 hrs and rode my bike 5 miles home in the 95 deg. weather!!!!:eek::eek: it was the longest day of my life!!!!!!!!!

[crzy_kevo]

lol can't wait to see those pics

[adamanteus]

At last! Congratulations, Shanley!:D

[Loren]

Its about darn time Shanley. :) It seems like we've been waiting for years for these babies!

So, how many?

[drache]

wow, Shanley - congrats
can't wait to see the pics

[Snake lover 3-25]

ok so the FINAL count is................................................ .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................








15!!!!!!!!!! WHOO HOO!!!!!!! and me and my friend anna.... got 10!!!!!! to eat!!!!!!!:D:D:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

so sid is the winner!!!!!:D:D

[Garter_Gertie]

You didn't get "10 to eat!" SCARE ME TO DEATH!!!

You got "10 OF THEM to eat!"

I had to read that like four times before I realized what you were talking about! I thought you were gonna eat Sooty's babies!!!

WHEW!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[drache]

congrats Sid
and congrats on getting them to eat
you're ahead of me there
what did they take?

[ScimitarX]

Really great that theyre eating already. Again, congrats:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

they all took pieces of worms!!! and some mouse guts and pieces of fish! pics soon!!! downloading!!!!:eek: :D

[Snake lover 3-25]

here they are!!!!

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_019.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_018.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_017.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_016.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_013.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_006.JPG

[Snake lover 3-25]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_001.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_002.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//602/medium/sooty_babies_003.JPG

[crzy_kevo]

adorable babies shanely i wish i had some babies

[Garter_Gertie]

Shanley, oh. Boogers. This is going to sound so stupid.

I'm so happy for you, sweetie. I'm kind'a, a little bit, battin' back the tears. It thrills me and makes me so happy to see your Sooty babies. Give them all a big kiss for me and make sure Sooty gets like some REALLY good mouse... Or rabbit drumsticks. LOL!!!! :D

CONGRATULATIONS!

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

awwwwe shanley finally!! congratulations!!!!!

[Zephyr]

Those bloody pictures are CLASSIC. Loads of food and only a few garters. XD
Glad to know they'll be pampered. Congrats! :D

[ScimitarX]

awww, they are sooo cute:D

[Lori P]

Shanley, they are toooooooo adorable for words!!!! Congrats again!!!!!

[anji1971]

Awwww, they're all just so darned cute!
Congrats Shanley, and Sooty, too!:)

[infernalis]

Yay pictures.. Now go pick up the living room:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol a little late for that my parents already saw it......:o whoops!!!

thanks everyone!!!!:D:D i love them already!!!!:D:D:D

[MoJo]

Congratulations! Gorgeous babies and it's wonderful they ate for you!

By the way if you want to ship you no longer need to be FedEx certified. There is a site called Reptster.com that has a way for anyone to ship snakes via FedEx. Here is a link - http://www.reptster.com/connections/fedex/fedex_terms.php

[jitami]

Very cute babies Shanley!!!

[GartersRock]

OMG they are CUTE! And look just like mama!!

I kinda don't get the repster thing. They send you free boxes for no reason?

[lestat]

Way to go. Congratulations. They are so lovely.
I bet you are releived at last that they came.

[drache]

Shanley
they are so cute

[infernalis]

Shanley, you are very lucky to have the parents that you do:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol thanks guys!!!:D:D is it normal for the five that did not eat to be slightly less active than the 10 that did????

[infernalis]

Like any living thing, they are all individuals, and should come around when they are ready to.

I have noticed that the more robust babies will be hungry and active sooner.

It's all about that survival of the fittest, in the wild, the slower babies are the first to get ate by something bigger.

The feisty ones stand a better chance of growing up.

But in your loving hands Shanley, they will all do just fine:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

thanks!!! i sure hope so!!!!:D:D:D

[MoJo]

I kinda don't get the repster thing. They send you free boxes for no reason?

I don't get it either but people have been very happy with it.

[beaniesmommy]

Oh they are beautiful! I am so happy for you! I know you waited along time for them. You will be a "great" grandma. Maybe feed them on the kitchen or bathroom floor next time... The mess on that white carpet about gave my OCD (mommy) side a heart attack. :)

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol that's just about what happened when my parents came home!!!:eek: but yes me and my friend that hepls me feed them decided to do the entire thing in the bath tub next time:D

[SpyrotheGartersnake]

Awww! there saw cute! congratulations! i just found a female from when i went on a trip to maine(that's why i haven't been on) and i think she gravid too! i hope she has cute babies like sooty!:D:D