Shipping young snakes?

[count dewclaw]

I just saw an ad on Kingsnake for some 4 day old garters. Is it safe to ship snakes that young? Just wondering...

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

yea its fine as long as he has them eating
scotts selling them so im sure he knows what hes doing Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters (http://www.albinogartersnake.com)


I just saw an ad on Kingsnake for some 4 day old garters. Is it safe to ship snakes that young? Just wondering...

[count dewclaw]

Ah, I wasn't sure if that was the same Scott. I just had heard with crested geckos that you shouldn't ship that young, so I was wondering about garter snakes. Thanks.

[adamanteus]

So shoot me, but I think 4 days is a little young for shipping, unless it's a pretty short journey.

[Lori P]

Shoot you? No. Remove all your houmous? Absolutely. :D

Did you guys see the ad for the garter eating crickets? I'd like to email him for pics of that.

[count dewclaw]

So shoot me, but I think 4 days is a little young for shipping, unless it's a pretty short journey.

So, what age would you recommend the snake be before it is shipped anywhere?

[adamanteus]

A couple of weeks at least, I guess. You need to know that it's eaten, pooped and grown a little.... that's just my opinion though... not gospel.

[Ameivaboy]

A couple of weeks at least, I guess. You need to know that it's eaten, pooped and grown a little.... that's just my opinion though... not gospel.

Yea, I wouldnt sell anything less than a month old. Some offspring are weaker than others and might live a little while seemingly fine then just fade away. Shipping can be quite stressful on a snake and I would think very young ones would be much more suseptable to the stress.

[drache]

I wasn't ready to let go of my babies for the entire first month, but that's a different matter
4 days is way too young imo
I believe Scott ships them at 4-6 weeks - not before he has them feeding on minnows
I do know that when I ask him about birth dates, they're usually more than a month before I got the snakes

[reptileparadise]

Personally, I wouldn't ship snakes that are only 4 days old. I ussualy offer them their first meal at around 4 days...And it never happend that they all ate the first time I tried...
I ussually wait two months before selling anything. Just so that I can see how they are growing (overall), eating, shedding and coloring...

[Lori P]

He may have them featured for sale at 4 days, but not to ship until they are older??? Just an idea.

[bulrush]

Just a note here, it is not legal to ship any reptiles, mammal, or bird (except eggs of certain birds like chickens) in the US. I read up about this on an aquarium forum. We can ship live fish, shrimp, but not many snails.

If you get caught it could be a hefty fine.

[bulrush]

I was right. USPS shipping regs here:
http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub52.pdf

521 General Requirements
The full cooperation of the mailer is essential in order to safely and effectively
transport animals through the mail. The following factors are normally applied
to all shipments of mailable live or dead animals:
a. Protection of postal employees and the public against harm from
dangerous or diseased animals.
b. Protection of the mail and the environment against the following:
(1) Damage to the shipping container or other mailpieces from either
the animal or the refrigerant used (i.e., moisture or condensation
from melting ice, or heat from dry ice).
(2) Obnoxious odors and noise.
c. Protection of animals against death, or protection of animal specimens
against spoilage, taking into account the following:
(1) Expected time in transit.
(2) Expected temperature in transit (weather conditions).
(3) Packaging, including insulation against impact, heat, cold, and
suffocation.
d. Ability of an animal to survive without food or water during transport.
Live animals must be transported without food or water because
liquids, moisture, and loose foodstuffs can cause damage to the
shipping container, other mail, and postal equipment during transport.

(And here's the part about reptiles: )
525.3 Reptiles
All snakes, turtles, and poisonous reptiles are nonmailable.

Live scorpions can be shipped. See sec 526.1.d.

[drache]

those are the USPS regs - not US law
other carriers have different rules
animals are being shipped all the time
not all of them legally either, although I wouldn't take the chance myself

[bulrush]

That's correct. It only applies to USPS, not other shippers. I just don't want anyone to get a big fine. I don't care if you ship them. Sorry to be a Buzz Killington.

[count dewclaw]

He may have them featured for sale at 4 days, but not to ship until they are older??? Just an idea.

I was wondering if that was the case, too. Personally, I think I would want to make sure the snake was doing well before it was shipped.

[ssssnakeluvr]

I personally would wait until I know the snakes are feeding ok...several weeks. as for the usps....don't allow snakes, but can ship scorpions????? lets not send harmless little snakies in the mail, but shoot, we can send deadly scorpions right on out!!!! :confused:

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

you can certify to ship live animals fedex, its kinda hard but it works and legal, Steps To Become Fedex Certified!!! - Shipping (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33533&perpage=5&pagenumber=1)

[Zephyr]

lol
Poisonous reptiles.
So... I'm assuming a gila monster could be shipped, seeing as it's venomous? :P

[count dewclaw]

yea its fine as long as he has them eating
scotts selling them so im sure he knows what hes doing Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters (http://www.albinogartersnake.com)

Actually, it is not Scott Felzer. Scott Felzer uses his full name in his ads, this guy signed one of his ads "Scott H." I realized this because they both have ads on kingsnake right now.

[anji1971]

Actually, it is not Scott Felzer. Scott Felzer uses his full name in his ads, this guy signed one of his ads "Scott H." I realized this because they both have ads on kingsnake right now.

Does it say where he's from, or what type of garter? There is a Scott Hasbrouck in Michigan. Looks like he deals mainly with Pugets. Here's a link if you're interested:
SnakeVenture.com - Captive Bred Snakes and Public Demonstrations (http://snakeventure.com/available.htm)

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

lol 60$? for a baby puget? mine ell b 40$ if they come this year and there high blue

[anji1971]

lol 60$? for a baby puget? mine ell b 40$ if they come this year and there high blue

I never said I liked his price, just wondered if it might be the same guy!!:D

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

LOL no anji i was suprised at him for selling them for 60$

I never said I liked his price, just wondered if it might be the same guy!!:D

[count dewclaw]

Does it say where he's from, or what type of garter? There is a Scott Hasbrouck in Michigan. Looks like he deals mainly with Pugets. Here's a link if you're interested:
SnakeVenture.com - Captive Bred Snakes and Public Demonstrations (http://snakeventure.com/available.htm)

I don't think it's the same guy, but not sure. He has a different email address in his ads. Right now he is advertizing red-sided, snow radix, and anerythristic radix.

[anji1971]

Probably not him, the one I sent the link for kind of sounds like he'd know better than to ship snakes too young.
There are a zillion Scott's out there, could be anybody.

[count dewclaw]

Probably not him, the one I sent the link for kind of sounds like he'd know better than to ship snakes too young.
There are a zillion Scott's out there, could be anybody.

Too true! I have a brother-in-law named Scott (not the afore mentioned Scott :D )

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

my dad's name is Scott