Gravid Hetwig

[zooplan]

Because I had so much fun with the thread:
"Dons massive Garter" I like to start a similar one for Hetwig.
http://www.zooplan.net/images/hetwig_240308k.jpg
How many babies do you think Hetwig will deliver? Let's include all offspring (live and otherwise) in the total. Rossman et al. say that average clutch size for T. sirtalis varies from 7,6 to 32.5 with significant geographic variation. Hetwig is about 37" long and more than 250 gr. of weight.
The price for the best guess will be one baby of the clutch (66% pos.het for amelanistic) that will be delivered to the Terraristika in Hamm in september 2008.

[Snaky]

That's a nice price, Udo! Do we get any clues on previous clutches she had?

[Sid]

My guess is 32, Uno.

[Stefan-A]

24, mark my words. ;)

[drache]

guessing 27

[CrazyHedgehog]

hmmmm....
waiting for reply of Hans' question!

[zooplan]

her first litter last year was about five or seven,
can´t tell the exact number because of an accident of cannibalism.
There were only 2 specimens left, my amelanistic female and her 66% pos.het brother.
She has grown a liitle bit since than.:D

[Snaky]

I'm guessing 26 :)

[reptileparadise]

Damn you Hans! That would have been my guess!
My female parietalis gave birth to 8 young in her first year, 26 in her second...So I'm guessing around....28...

[Zephyr]

I'd say....
14.

[GarterGuy]

I'll take the high road and guess 33.

[ssssnakeluvr]

hmmm....my guess will be 36....

[zooplan]

hmmm....my guess will be 36....
hey Don,
hope your guess become truth,
that about will be
9 albinos for me
:D

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

i guess 25

[salzar]

okay I will guess 21
good luck to all.. bye
michelle

[adamanteus]

I will go with 16 young.

[anji1971]

30 even. That's my guess!:)

[Lori P]

Ok... I'm going with 22!!

[CrazyHedgehog]

OK, I am going with 19

[Snake lover 3-25]

i'll go with 25! :)

[CrazyHedgehog]

i'll go with 25! :)
sorry you can't reed already picked 25...

[Odie]

I'll guess 23 :D

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

22!!! thats my number

[adamanteus]

Shannon, Lori already chose 22. Shanley, Reed already chose 25. Please take another guess to have a chance of winning.:)

[jewel-dragons]

my pari had 21,but that is allready choosen,so i choose 20!!! :-D

[Charlet_2007]

28 is my guess if some one already took it then between 1 thu 30 lol :D:D:D:D

[gregmonsta]

stop taking my numbers ..... :P

[adamanteus]

stop taking my numbers ..... :P

Sorry Greg, you can't have 25 either... it's already been chosen... twice!
Come on guys, read the thread!:D

[gregmonsta]

I did .... and then others beat me to it .... (whimper) ..... lol

[Charlet_2007]

some one took 28? who?

[zooplan]

These blak numbers are possible guesses:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40
41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50
51 . . .
the red ones are choosen yet.

[count dewclaw]

I guess 29.

[osubeaver22]

.......:rolleyes: 18.

[gregmonsta]

31 .... :p

[Snake lover 3-25]

i cant think of a second #

[zooplan]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/april8.jpg
Hetwig is still laying all day on the heatsource.

[Charlet_2007]

i took 28..

[Snaky]

Is she still eating?

[larean]

....15

This thread reminds me a bit of the Monty Python sketch with people falling past the window. 'Come on Parky!/Don't do it Parky!':D

[zooplan]

Hetwig has eaten 4 baby-rats at the weekend.
Last weight ( before feeding) was 264 gr.

[Lori P]

Are you massaging her sore back? Helping her prop up her swollen ankles? Running out at her whim for sardines and ice cream? Teaching her how to breathe? Because she looks a little annoyed in that last pic, Udo...:D:D

[anji1971]

Ha-Ha!! That's pretty much what I was thinking when I saw that pic!! She has that look of a woman who's just about had it with pregnancy. Poor thing!!

[Charlet_2007]

Are you massaging her sore back? Helping her prop up her swollen ankles? Running out at her whim for sardines and ice cream? Teaching her how to breathe? Because she looks a little annoyed in that last pic, Udo...:D:D

swollen "ankle" not more then one.... she only has one ankle lol:D:D:D it's late lol im tired pardon my English lol She looks down right TEE'D off in the last pic.. lol

[zooplan]

I would say: She was thinking:
" Don´t put those camera so close to me,
I´m fat !"

[Thamnophis]

I do not guess!I am sure it will be 17 young.

[zooplan]

Thank you Fons,
than I´ll have only to wait for thier appearance.
Can you tell me how many albinos I can offer?
So I could start writing advertises.


BTW: Is there anybody who guessed 17?

[zooplan]

03.08.2008
Hetwig began to give birth.
I have seen the first baby, an albino:D
but than I had to leave for work:mad:

[Snaky]

OMG, I would just take a half day if I saw that when I left for work:D
Already congrats! And let the best win ( me, me, me;) )

[Stefan-A]

03.08.2008
Hetwig began to give birth.
I have seen the first baby, an albino:D
but than I had to leave for work:mad:
Congratulations! :D I'd call in sick if my snake was giving birth, though. ;)

I believe you have the wrong month there. ;)

[Lori P]

Udo, don't you have a migraine today?? lol You have to stay home and count!! I can't wait to see pics later!!!

[reptileparadise]

Awesome!!!

I knew what I would have done...Headache, Migraine, Flu, and god knows what else :)

[zooplan]

Only very few hours left.
I´d called home twice
but they could not count:o

[Snaky]

I sympasize with you. They also called me that my concinnus is giving birth and I'm also stuck at work!! Just a few hours left before I can go.

[Gijs & Sabine]

I guess I'm just in time to do a guess, so I say it'll be 34 babies :)
Already congrats, Udo, how exciting....
Too bad you have to work right now :mad: and Hans as well....

[zooplan]

I sympasize with you. They also called me that my concinnus is giving birth and I'm also stuck at work!! Just a few hours left before I can go.
I´m only able to do brainless work today, grrr
but my boss is really cool about that:D

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

what's the news??! how many babies from hetwig?!?!

[anji1971]

Yeah, what's with keeping us in suspense like that??? :D

[adamanteus]

I´d called home twice but they could not count.

That's got to be good news, right? Probably 16.:D:rolleyes:

[zooplan]

I had a bad arrival at home, because there was still only one baby.
So I had to visit the vet for Hetwig.
Until I ve´gone to bednothing happend but when I woke up at 3.00 am
I had to find 5 jelly beans and 10 stillborns.
Three of them would have been albinos.
But although I could find seven more living babies and three of them have no black color.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

so 22 total? was 25 the closest? and im really sorry to hear about the stillborns and jelly beans :(:(

I had a bad arrival at home, because there was still only one baby.
So I had to visit the vet for Hetwig.
Until I ve´gone to bednothing happend but when I woke up at 3.00 am
I had to find 5 jelly beans and 10 stillborns.
Three of them would have been albinos.
But although I could find seven more living babies and three of them have no black color.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

oh if you count jelly beans and stillborns, lori wins

[Stefan-A]

Last time we had this competition, the contest were about how many offspring there were, live or otherwise. I think that excludes jellybeans but includes stillborn.

So the total number, according to the same rules, is 18.

[Sid]

Uno, sorry to hear so many didn't make it:(. Hope the others do real well for you.

[adamanteus]

Udo, I'm sorry to hear the result was not so good as you had hoped. At least you have some babies, and more gravid females.

[zooplan]

I´ve written, that it should be the same rules as in "Dons massive garter".
He counted up to 18 but said nothing about stillborns or jelly beans.
So I ask:" What have you counted, Don?"

[Stefan-A]

Here's the link to the previous contest's results:

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/thamnophis-contests/1036-winner.html

18 were born, but two of them died (might as well have been stillborn). The person who guessed 18 was declared the winner. But still no mention of any jellybeans. :) But I don't consider them offspring. ;)

[zooplan]

ok, than again the person who guessed 18 must be the winner.
:D
I hope to be able to post some photos later today.

[adamanteus]

So Jeff (osubeaver222) is our winner! How will he collect his prize from Germany?:rolleyes:

[anji1971]

Udo, congrats on the babies!! Sorry to hear it did not turn out as well as you'd hoped for, but as long as Hetwig is healthy and well, and the surviving babies grow up strong, things are still looking good!:)

[reptileparadise]

Man, sorry to hear about the 'bad' result.
Fortunatly, I know you will enjoy every little baby that is born!

[count dewclaw]

Udo, sorry to hear some didn't make it. That is always hard, but I'm sure you will treasure the ones that did make it.

[Lori P]

Sorry you didn't have better luck, Udo. At least you have some to enjoy, and Hetwig is ok!

Darn, I was really looking forward to Udo paying for my flight to Germany, putting me up for a week, feeding me good german food until I couldn't move, and then rolling me onto a plane back home with my new baby... :D Well, enjoy yourself, Jeff!! :D

[Thamnophis]

It really is too bad the results were not what you had hoped.
I am still curious for the pictures

[zooplan]

thanks for your congratualions and good wishes
here is the first photo:
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/amel08.jpg
I will spend more time on more pictures later :-)

[ssssnakeluvr]

Sorry you lost some....that sukcs!! The few you have in the photo are sweet!!!!! can't wait till my hets are breeding size!!!

[Snaky]

Oh Udo, sorry to hear that you had so many stillborns... But congrats for the ones that survived!!

They look sweet!:)

[anji1971]

Udo, they're so pretty!! Can't wait for more pictures!

[drache]

Udo, congrats
the babies are beautiful
a shame about their siblings not surviving, but these ones look robust
I'm looking forward to more pictures

[osubeaver22]

sorry you lost some, but YES, I WON.
How can I get it shipped to the US? I have to pay for shipping, but the snake is free right?
Thanks man, and congrats on the litter.

[osubeaver22]

Do I get to pick which one? How can it get to the US?

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

congratulations on your new little ones. Sorry it did not go as planned :(

[Zephyr]

Congrats! I'm sure the living ones will be pampered. ;D

[zooplan]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/amel08_1.jpg

[Snaky]

Great picture, Udo:)

[zooplan]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/amel08_2.jpg
here you can see again what one different gen may cause:D

[drache]

those are lovely babies
and great photos

[reptileparadise]

Very nice Udo! The albino baby looks quite big compared to the normal baby!

[Lori P]

They're just adorable, Udo! :-)

[zooplan]

Maybe your eyes are fooled by the fact, that light things allways look bigger than dark ones.
But there are some little differences in size as well.;)

[anji1971]

Those are really nice pictures, Udo. The babies are SO sweet!

[osubeaver22]

Nice pictures.

[zooplan]

here comes another special cute shot for the "girls":D
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/cute.jpg

[count dewclaw]

Thanks, baby pictures are always so cute :D. Those babies are beautiful.

[anji1971]

here comes another special cute shot for the "girls":D
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/cute.jpg

For the 'girls', huh?
Come on, even the guys have to think these are cute..........it's just not "manly" to admit it!!!:D

[Stefan-A]

For the 'girls', huh?
Come on, even the guys have to think these are cute..........it's just not "manly" to admit it!!!:D
Well, it would probably be cute, if I didn't have this mental allergy to albino animals. :rolleyes:

[zooplan]

first time thick bellies:
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/feeded.jpg
6 of eight had fed well, one took fish the others got worm pieces

[Stefan-A]

Now that's a cute photo. :)

[drache]

they're so sweet
I hope I'll have some babies

[Lori P]

Oh, they are so darn cute... the one in your hand is precious!! Almost makes me want babies!!! But I'd never be able to part with them...

[Sid]

Great photos. All the babies are really nice.

[reptileparadise]

Very good that they all ate! And what a nice pictures! (And I also mean the new one on you're homepage ;) )

[osubeaver22]

I was thinking of this in the beginning, and I have wanted to repel it so much, but I probably cannot accept the snake, due to shipping costs of like 500$, so someone closer to Germany can have it, crossing the pond is to much for now.

[adamanteus]

It's a shame, Jeff, but transport would be too expensive. When Inge won the last contest of this type, she had the same problem. She left the snake with Don....
That snake is now our forum mascot, Cariad.:)

[Stefan-A]

If you can't figure out what to do with it, Inge was the second best guesser, with 19.. ;)

[count dewclaw]

Ok, it has been about a week...we would like an update on those little ones please! With pictures, of course. :D:D

[zooplan]

You´ll have to wait until wednesday, because the painter are in my house.
I have to move all my furniture from room to room and at least everything is in a mess.
Of course I´m offline too:(...
but I have still the computer in my office:D

[GarterGirl]

Congrats! Those babies are so cute!!! :D
I'm sorry bout the jellybeans.:(

[zooplan]

some days have gone by,
some more than I´ve thought to need for further pictures
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/thamcom.jpg
they have grown like weeds and redoubled thier weight.
Some of them are preparing for second shed.

[ScimitarX]

They all look really great, good to know they are doing so well. Thanks for the update:)

[Lori P]

Aw, they are soooo nice Udo!!!

I'm thinking of naming my female hognose Hetwig. Would you mind if I stole your name??

[count dewclaw]

Thanks for the update! They certainly are looking great.

[drache]

they're really beautiful babies, Udo
and yes - I've been thinking of you
map shopping is in the near future

[zooplan]

This was on April 9th
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/amel08.jpg

seventy days later
same set, same snakes, equal scale
http://www.zooplan.net/images/amel08_70thd.jpg
They are now feeding on whole baby mice
I´ve traded one amelanistic male for two very beautyful "Flames".
A pair of the possible hets are now living in the neighbourhood.
These remaining "baby"- snakes have an entire weight of 70 gramms.
:D

[SpyrotheGartersnake]

nice babies

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

wow they grew a ton! cute babies

[reptileparadise]

Awesome!
5 snakes and 70 grams...Nice...
I've got a long way to go then...with 4 snakes and 13 grams :P

By the way, you're male is doing great! I recently introduced him to a female and he inmediatly got to work :D

[zooplan]

Fine, Sjoerd.
I know there are alot of gens working for the red in the pattern of red sided garters.
Maybe some babies become more red than father and mother when it is a favorable combination.

[drache]

they're beautiful, Udo
I like the normals

[Gijs & Sabine]

They're looking very good, Udo !!

[Snake lover 3-25]

AWWWWW very cute!!!:D:D:D

[GartersRock]

Wow! They are gorgeous and growing SO fast! COngrats!

[adamanteus]

Udo, those little snakes are certainly growing up!:)

[ssssnakeluvr]

Sweet!!!! not sure if my female hets will be big enough to breed this winter, but should be by next winter!!!! they are taking pinkie rats now!