Garterbabies 2008 !!

[Gijs & Sabine]

I guess the Dutch breeders are just fast. One of our radix (plains) female gave birth to 20 very cute babies today :)

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010303Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010313Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010315Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010321Small.jpg

[anji1971]

YAY!! Congrats on the cutest pile of snakes.............wish I lived over there so I could get one!:)

[adamanteus]

Congratulations! Beautiful radix....... no, no I mustn't be tempted... I have enough radix!!:D

[Zephyr]

Congratulations! Beautiful radix....... no, no I mustn't be tempted... I have enough radix!!:DJames, you can never have enough garters. :P

[Lori P]

Oh, they are so cute. Welcome to the world, little ones!!

[adamanteus]

Sabine, are these from the same parents as the ones I got from you last year?

[Stefan-A]

Heeey, congratulations! :)

[reptileparadise]

Awesome Sabine!
Who are the proud parents?

[GarterGuy]

Congrats on the new little ones.....ah, it's getting to be that time of year!:D

[Gijs & Sabine]

Thanks everyone for the kind words :)


Sabine, are these from the same parents as the ones I got from you last year?
Yes, James. Last year the greyish female gave birth to 16 babies, this year 20 !!

This is the mother
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010252Small-1.jpg

[adamanteus]

The female I got from you is very like her now..... quite pale grey. Very pretty!

[jewel-dragons]

go radix!! go radix!! :D

congrads :-D
your the second hahahahaha

[CrazyHedgehog]

very nice, lovely colouring on mom!

[gregmonsta]

Baby heaven .... :) I can't wait to see the baby concinnii when they arrive :)

[ScimitarX]

lots of lovely babies, congrats:D

[Sid]

Great looking babies, congratulations.:D

[Snaky]

Congrats with the first clutch of the year!!!

[drache]

congrats
the babies are beautiful (as is the mother)

[zooplan]

happy Birthday:D
some of them are looking quiet big.
Do you know thier weight?

[Gijs & Sabine]

They are not very big (yet :D), Udo.
Today I did weigh some of them: a small one 1.27 gram, a medium one 1,76 gram and a big one 1.92 gram. So lets say they weigh approximately 1.7 gram.

[zooplan]

My scales are not that good, I have weigh the whole clutch and divide the weight.
1,7 gr. is really nice.
When I had a clutch with an approximately weight of 3 gr. I thought they were "monsters".(radix too)

[Gijs & Sabine]

When I had a clutch with an approximately weight of 3 gr. I thought they were "monsters".(radix too)

:D Yes, I know. As far as I can tell marcianus have real big babies. And last year our infernalis female had huge ones as well.
I will try to weigh all the clutches this year, might be interesting.

[ssssnakeluvr]

my red spot had real big babies...almost 8 inches long!!! I don't have a scale to weigh them with....will try to get one. one of my red spots is gravid.

[Gijs & Sabine]

Yesterday our het. melanistic female gace birth to 17 lovely babies !!
12 of them are het. also and 5 are melanistic, unfortunately there were also 12 deadborns :(
The others will stay in our care for quite some time, so we can make sure they are doing well.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010224Small-1.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010229Small-2.jpg

[Snaky]

Well, congrats again!!! :D
The season definately started with you, how many litters will there be this year?

[Gijs & Sabine]

Thnx Hans :)
How many litters ?? eehhhh, probebly around 20 or something :D depends on the ladies, but some of them are 100% pregnant, no doubt !!

[adamanteus]

Congratulations... again! Beautiful babies.:)

[Stefan-A]

Congratulations!

[Sid]

Congrat's again, sorry to hear about the 12 still born.

[anji1971]

Congrats again, those little melanistics are making me envious..........:D

[CrazyHedgehog]

melanistic look wonderful! this is prob my favourite snake!

[charles parenteau]

Congrad again ,beautiful little snakes,love melanistic...
did a great job..

[Thamnophis]

Congrats ofcourse, Sabine and Gijs.

Looking good, those babies...

[drache]

congrats again - they are beautiful, especially the melanistics, of course

[jeanette]

oh my they are very sweet, i can see im going to be very careful about garters. i could probably get quite addicted to them.

[Gijs & Sabine]

At last I took the time to let you all know about our newest babies. In the past 2 weeks we had a few melanistic sirtalis females from differend bloodlines who gave birth. All the babies are doing great and most of them are already eating as well.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010233Small-4.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010235Small.jpg

[Gijs & Sabine]

And today our elegans vagrans female gave birth to ..... 52 babies :eek: !!!
I knew she was fat, but I didn't have a clue she would have soooo many babies. Unfortunately 4 of them were dead, but the others are doing wonderfull :)

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010223Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010228Small-1.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010224Small-2.jpg

[Snake lover 3-25]

awwwww i want babies too!!!!!!:(:(:(:(

[Stefan-A]

Bloody hell. :D Are you sure that's not a species record?

Oh and congratulations! :D

[Gijs & Sabine]

Bloody hell. :D Are you sure that's not a species record?

Oh and congratulations! :D

Thanks :)
But no, it's not a record, our giant radix female had 55 babies in the past.
And I think there are bigger ones in the books :rolleyes:

[Stefan-A]

Yes, but those were different species. :)

[adamanteus]

Wow, Sabine! You had a couple of good weeks!
Please may I reserve 1.2 of the vagrans?

[Gijs & Sabine]

The best is yet to come :D

And James, I will write down your order ;)

[Gijs & Sabine]

Whaaaaaaaaa what do I say ?? :eek: :eek:
The best thing was our wedding ofcourse !!!!!

[adamanteus]

The best is yet to come :D

What's that then?:confused:

[Stefan-A]

Before I say "1.0, please", I need to know what my chances are of getting it from there to here. :)

Are you expecting any parietalis babies, by any chance?

[Gijs & Sabine]

Before I say "1.0, please", I need to know what my chances are of getting it from there to here. :)

Are you expecting any parietalis babies, by any chance?

We're going to Hamm in september, so if you or any of your friends is going as well.......voilá ;)

And no, we're not expecting parietalis, they are still too young.

[adamanteus]

Sjoerd will have parietalis soon, Stefan.

[Gijs & Sabine]

What's that then?:confused:

What I meant was, we still expect a lot of other garterbabies. Also from species we never had babies of before: proximus rubrilineatus, cyrtopsis cyrtopsis, atratus atratus.

[adamanteus]

Will you have tetrataenia babies again this year?

[Stefan-A]

Seems like I have to dig up some old phone numbers and emails. :D But you can definitely write down my order for 1.0 T. e. vagrans.



Sjoerd will have parietalis soon, Stefan.
Okay, thanks. :)

[Gijs & Sabine]

Will you have tetrataenia babies again this year?

Absolutely !!! One of our females is soooo fat, I can't wait to see how many babies she will have :)

[Gijs & Sabine]

Seems like I have to dig up some old phone numbers and emails. :D But you can definitely write down my order for 1.0 T. e. vagrans.



Okay, thanks. :)

I'll save a nice male for you, Stefan.

btw. I think Sjoerd has the most beautifull parietalis that are around.

[anji1971]

Oh, I so wish I lived in Europe.................I want some of those babies!!!
That pile of vagrans babies is quite impressive. 52, wow!:)

[ScimitarX]

Congratulations on another lot of beautiful garter babies:)

[Lori P]

Oh, goodness, that huge tub of vagrans just kills me!! They are soooooo cute!!!! 52... omg, I can't get over that many babies!!

[anji1971]

All I keep thinking is "Thank God I'm not a snake!"..........one baby at a time is plenty!;)

[Snaky]

Congrats again! :)

[Gijs & Sabine]

Today our youngest tetrataenia female gave birth to 11 beautifull babies :) This was the first time for her and she did great, no dead ones or wax eggs.
Last year I noticed it as well, tetrataenia's have very big babies, you can see in the pics.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/8-20081Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/8-20082Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/8-20083Small.jpg

[CrazyHedgehog]

wow, they look great!! congrats!

[Snaky]

Congrats again!:)

[adamanteus]

Another litter of beautiful babies! Congratulations again, Sabine.:)

[anji1971]

Oh, they're beautiful!! Now I really want to move to Europe!:)

[count dewclaw]

They are beautiful, I'm green with envy...

[adamanteus]

Sabine, maybe I will get another female tetrataenia from you this year, as last year's 1.2 turned out to be 2.1!:D

[Gijs & Sabine]

Thanks again everyone :)

And Anji, you are more than welcome to visit us........although it's kind of far :( We definitely want to go to Canada one day, nature is just absolutely amazing there !!

[anji1971]

Well, you are just as welcome here!! As long as you bring snakes!:D;):D

[reptileparadise]

Congrats again Sabine! They look amazing...and big :O

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

wow ur going to have a ton of babies by the time they've all given birth

[Gijs & Sabine]

wow ur going to have a ton of babies by the time they've all given birth

I guess you're right, Reed :o

And today I can tell you about our newest babies.
One of our marcianus females gave birth to 10 babies and they are quite big.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010229Small-3.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010230Small-1.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010231Small-4.jpg

[adamanteus]

Beautiful little things..... and nice, shiny, new Wedding Band!:D

[Gijs & Sabine]

And our infernalis female also gave birth to 11 very big babies. They are sooo cute :)
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010232Small-4.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010235Small-1.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010241Small-3.jpg

And here is also a new picture of their lovely mother.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010227Small-2.jpg

[Gijs & Sabine]

Beautiful little things..... and nice, shiny, new Wedding Band!:D

Hahaaa, in the pics you always see the wrong site :p
This is the better side ;)
* kind of off-topic though *
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/trouwerij/P1010225Small.jpg

[Lori P]

Lovely, lovely babies!!!!!

Someone tell me about why all the newborn pics I see have so much moisture in the enclosure. Does that help the babies with their shedding and cleaning off??

[anji1971]

Awwww, they are cute! Congrats again, and again, and..........;)

[Gijs & Sabine]

Thanks James and ladies again, and again.........:D

@ Lori: You're right about the moisture you see in the pics. When garterbabies are born they will shed right away and most of them do it immediately after the birth when they are still moist. But some of them wait too long and when they are dried up it's a lot more difficult to shed, because the first shed is very thin and most of the time doesn't come of in one piece. In that case they look like little ghosts with pieces of skin everywhere :D or they look totaly wrinkled.
You can imagine that's not very plesant for them, so we leave them on moist papertowel for one day and everything is just fine :)

[ssssnakeluvr]

Sweet!! the mother is a nice looking one also!!!!!! :D

[Stefan-A]

Congratulations! :)

[Sid]

Another congratulations. Those are such beautiful babies:D, I'm jealous.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

man...more beatiful babies.. wow.. the sf gaters and ca red sided garters get more color when they grow right?

[Gijs & Sabine]

man...more beatiful babies.. wow.. the sf gaters and ca red sided garters get more color when they grow right?

Normaly they do, Reed.
And thanks.....again :D for the compliments. We're almost there, just 9 females more to go :eek:

[Lori P]

@ Lori: You're right about the moisture you see in the pics. When garterbabies are born they will shed right away and most of them do it immediately after the birth when they are still moist. But some of them wait too long and when they are dried up it's a lot more difficult to shed, because the first shed is very thin and most of the time doesn't come of in one piece. In that case they look like little ghosts with pieces of skin everywhere :D or they look totaly wrinkled.
You can imagine that's not very plesant for them, so we leave them on moist papertowel for one day and everything is just fine :)

Thanks so much for explaining it to me. :)

[Gijs & Sabine]

Because I've been sick for some time I'm a little bit behind with the update of new babies.
But there have been 4 births since last post in this thread :)

0.0.2 T.elegans terrestris 'red morph' (unfortunately not very much)
One of them has a very orange stripe......interesting :rolleyes:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010260Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010264Small-2.jpg

[Gijs & Sabine]

0.0.3 T.atratus atratus (not very much either)
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010270Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010274Small.jpg

0.0.7 T.proximus rubrilineatus
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010276Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010278Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/P1010279Small.jpg

And there are also 0.0.10 T.cyrtopsis cyrtopsis born, but I don't have pictures of them yet.

[adamanteus]

Very nice. The atratus look quite 'chunky', Sabine.:D

[Zephyr]

Wow! Nice! The elegans almost look like plains. :O

[Stefan-A]

Very nice ones, congratulations. :)

[gregmonsta]

Good stuff ;) just keep them coming :D

[Sid]

Those are really beautiful little ones. Congratulations!

[lestat]

Oh my God. How many babies is that. Thats a lot of little uns to look after. Good luck with them and if i get over to the Ham Show i will come and find you.

[anji1971]

Beautiful little ones!! I LOVE the atratus, and the ribbons! :)

[Snaky]

I love the rubrilineatus. Congrats with the new little one's! :)

[Snake lover 3-25]

AWWWWW i hope sooty gives me babies THAT CUTE!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Gijs & Sabine]

Thank you all guys :)

[drache]

congrats again
I love the ribbons particularly

[Steven@HumboldtHerps]

Beautiful babies!

[Scaley.Jade]

wow great babies youve got there

[big J]

i see so many babies i was hoping my stirtalisand my pugets would produce ths year but i'm not realy sure this is th firt year so i' not expecting to many maybe 5 to 10 a piece.

[el lobo]

Congrats! They are gorgeous! I love natural colouring!

[Jenlang_79]

wow they are beautiful! Wish I could have one!

[garterkeeper]

Congrats.Verry cool

[Gijs & Sabine]

It's been a while since the last birth, but today we have babies again !! :D
Both our T.cyrtopsis ocellatus females gave birth to 13 very nice babies....on the same day :eek: So now I don't know which babies are from which female, but they are sisters living together with one unrelated male. So it doesn't really matter, the babies are related anyhow.

I personaly love the cyrtopsis babies, they're soooo cute :)

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//595/medium/P1010249_Small_.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//595/medium/P1010258_Small_.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//595/medium/P1010253_Small_.JPG

[Sid]

I must confess that I have not been very interested in this species before, but wow! Those are really great.

[Snake lover 3-25]

awwww they are SOOOO cute!!!!!:D:D

[Snaky]

This is really a great species, very nice newborns. Congrats with them! :)

[crzy_kevo]

those are really beautiful babies i wish i had one

[anji1971]

They really do have dramatic markings! Very pretty babies, and congrats yet again!:)

[Stefan-A]

Very nice. :)

[adamanteus]

Congratulations (yet again) Sabine.:)

[punky_jen]

Today our youngest tetrataenia female gave birth to 11 beautifull babies :) This was the first time for her and she did great, no dead ones or wax eggs.
Last year I noticed it as well, tetrataenia's have very big babies, you can see in the pics.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/8-20081Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/8-20082Small.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/gijssabine/Thamnophis/8-20083Small.jpg

WOW LOVE THESE!!!! how much do they go for?

[punky_jen]

It's been a while since the last birth, but today we have babies again !! :D
Both our T.cyrtopsis ocellatus females gave birth to 13 very nice babies....on the same day :eek: So now I don't know which babies are from which female, but they are sisters living together with one unrelated male. So it doesn't really matter, the babies are related anyhow.

I personaly love the cyrtopsis babies, they're soooo cute :)

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//595/medium/P1010249_Small_.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//595/medium/P1010258_Small_.JPG

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//595/medium/P1010253_Small_.JPG

same question for these too!!! wish we had garters like this in the uk!!

[adamanteus]

Jen, we do. I have the tetrataenia (a few of us do). Inge (CrazyHedgehog) has the ocellatus. We have quite a few nice species and sub-species available in the UK. Plus, it's not difficult to get them from Europe.

[Stefan-A]

Terraristika Hamm is in just a couple of months. :)

[punky_jen]

wow iv only ever seen checks for sale. If anyone who has any of thses ever comes near the midlands please let me know! lol

[adamanteus]

Terraristika Hamm is in just a couple of months. :)

Stefan, are you going this year?

[punky_jen]

hamm in germany yeah? I know alot of people going there, bus loads of them.

[Stefan-A]

Stefan, are you going this year?
No, I wish I could. :( I don't think anybody here has room in his or her car for a passenger.

[Gijs & Sabine]

same question for these too!!! wish we had garters like this in the uk!!

Jen, we sell the tetrataenia's for € 80,- and the ocellatus for € 60,-

[ScimitarX]

Beautiful babies again, congrats.


I too have a pair of ocellatus. I hope to be breeding them next year.

[GartersRock]

Darn! NICE blacknecks! If you were in the US I woulda taken a trio off your hands. lol!

[Elliot]

Beautiful snakes, I love your red striped ribbons!

[Lori P]

OH. OH.... I WANT!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data/595/medium/P1010258_Small_.JPG

Who has these in the US????? Anyone on here??? Are these the kind Tori was saying the other day threw slugs for her???

Oh, I WANT-- nay, I NEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congrats Sabine, they are gorgeous!!!!!

[jeanette]

OH. OH.... I WANT!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data/595/medium/P1010258_Small_.JPG

Who has these in the US????? Anyone on here??? Are these the kind Tori was saying the other day threw slugs for her???

Oh, I WANT-- nay, I NEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congrats Sabine, they are gorgeous!!!!!
oh my they are gorgeous!!!!!

[Gijs & Sabine]

Hahaa, thanx all !!
Lori, you make me laugh !! :D But you're more than welcome to collect them from our place, although it won't do any good by saying this I think...

[gregmonsta]

Everyone should go to visit you and your snakeys ;) ... just over a month to go for me :D

[Gijs & Sabine]

Everyone should go to visit you and your snakeys ;) ... just over a month to go for me :D

Thanks Greg :) We're looking forward to it !!

[Garter_Gertie]

Holey Smokes!!!!!!!!! You guys, Gijs & Sabine, are doing something right! CONGRATULATIONS!

It's NOT FAIR you've got the Tetras over there and we can't have them here! It's NOT FAIR!

And I'm now thinking I'll get no snakes from Scott and try and find people here in the US that have some of the ones pictured here - I HAVE to have an ocellatus!!!!!!

[adamanteus]

I HAVE to have an ocellatus!!!!!!

Gertie... you're using scientific names!:D

[Garter_Gertie]

Gertie... you're using scientific names!:D

Well, yeah. And your point is what? I *told* you I'm not a TOTAL idiot. Only'a kind'a idiot. :D

I can't find ocellatus over here that look like THAT!!! I want THAT. The pattern is amzaing like a squished up ribbon.

Heck, I can't find much o'anything over here.

Sabine, you guys are doing WONDERFUL! Congratulations and keep up the good work!

[Lori P]

Gertie, you and I are on a hunt. We MUST FIND these here in the US. And we MUST find enough for both of us. I am in ocellatus fever now!!!!!!

[GartersRock]

Count me in on the hunt! I've been hunting these for a while now!

[Garter_Gertie]

Gertie, you and I are on a hunt. We MUST FIND these here in the US. And we MUST find enough for both of us. I am in ocellatus fever now!!!!!!


I HEAR you! Lori, I'm sweating black and yellow! I have never seen a more beautiful garter - well, pretty much enkneeweigh - than those oceies!

Gods! I've GOT TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE!!!!!! Maybe breed? I don't WANT to breed! I'll breed those. Yeah. I will.

Jeez-Louise! I MUST HAVE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lori, maybe we go could 50-50 on the 500L (pound) shipping fee over here? I wonder what that would be....

[Garter_Gertie]

Count me in on the hunt! I've been hunting these for a while now!

Rocker, you're in.

500L split three ways.

Sabine, if you will send me a sexed pair, I'll sell the babies and give YOU the money. All I want is one or two for me. I don't care about the money - you can have it. I just NEED THOSE SNAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lori P]

I think we all just need to move to Texas...

Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research - Herpetological Papers and Articles - Observations on the Eastern Blackneck Garter Snake (Thamnophis cyrtopsis ocellatus) (http://www.southwesternherp.com/articles/observationsonblackneckgartersnakes.html)

[Lori P]

If I knew we could ship them safely overseas... but would they really be able to handle that kind of shipping stress???

[Garter_Gertie]

If I knew we could ship them safely overseas... but would they really be able to handle that kind of shipping stress???

Yeah. As James mentioned to someone here, all garters - the Thamnophis - are all from the Americas. And there's plenty in Europe - and they didn't swim the pond.

It's about a 12 hour flight depending on where coming from/to. But it would be stressful - FURSHURE - to an animal that 'hears' through its jaw and picks up vibrations.

There are NO ocellatus like THAT in this country. Damnit.

[Garter_Gertie]

I think we all just need to move to Texas...



I don't want THAT morph! :(

I WANT SABINE'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GartersRock]

Lol. The one's here look like that too. ;) Just hard to find.
But I know what you mean!! COME ON!! *tries really hard to make them just appear in front of me*
Dang it.

[Garter_Gertie]

Rockster... WHAT are you SAYING???????????

You saying we gots look-alike Sabine babies HERE????????????? In the Younited States o'America????????????

"Whatchew talkin' 'bout, Willis?"

[Garter_Gertie]

Are they protected, endangered, threatened in Texas? Are they something *you* could catch?

[GartersRock]

Rockster. =D I like it.

Yeppers!! =D I have been planning the great blackneck search for awhile. =) But I have still been looking for CB in case I can't find any (you field herpers know how it can be *rolls eyes*). Here are some local blacknecks from my surrounding area. *grins* All found in or originated from here in thee 'ole TX!!
http://www.gartersnake.co.uk/cyrt4.jpg

The above babies are from TX stock and the below adults are wild caught texans.

http://www.texassnakes.net/Black-neckedgarterLg.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/dc/240px-Thamnophis_cyrtopsis_ocellatus.jpg
Now, not every one you catch will look AS nice. And babies are brighter (and the pics sabine posted of course, are babies) But consider it my personal life goal to catch some as nice as sabines. =)

[count dewclaw]

Ok, so now I may need to revise (again :rolleyes:) my wishlist....Beautiful babies, Sabine.

[Garter_Gertie]

Rockster, not NEAR as nice as Sabines. Her's have that scruntched-up ribbon pattern. BUT... would go with considering what it would cost to ship from Sabine to here.

SO FIND THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT THEM!!!!!!!!!! THEY'RE GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!!

Now. I want them NOW! Must have. Must have NOW.

WWWWAAA! I must have!

[ssssnakeluvr]

I'm still waiting for some too.... :cool:

[Gijs & Sabine]

Wow, it looks like I missed a few posts :D
I KNOW they're very atractive, but I didn't know they're that wanted in the States :D
The problem of cyrtopsis in the wild is their habitat. Most common are cyrtopsis cyrtopsis (which is less colorfull) and cyrtopsis ocellatus and their habitat is overlapping. That's why most of the finds are not so colorfull as our babies. But I'm sure there are pure ocellatus out there as well ;)

[MoJo]

Gorgeous babies all of them! I can not get over the variety and numbers of baby garters you guys have.

Oh and as to blacknecks here in the US. I have two girls bred by the same male that I am hoping will give birth any day now...

[Garter_Gertie]

I DIBS ONE!!!!!!!!!!! I dibsed first! Please? Pretty please may I have one?

[GartersRock]

Ooo!! Mojo, I am interested as well. =D

[drache]

is someone on this forum in the US having cyrtopsis babies?
if not - there's always Scott Felzer
I think his are in the same price range as a flame

[jewel-dragons]

Cyrtopsis 95$


flame 100$



;-)

[Garter_Gertie]

Mojo, are yours crytopsis ocellatus or crytopis crytopsis?

THANKS!!!

[MoJo]

I have cyrtopsis ocellatus. I know everyone on this board prefers the scientific name for the garters but I can barely type, let alone pronounce, cyrtopsis ocellatus and so I stick to Eastern Blackneck! Much easier to get my tongue around!

[Gijs & Sabine]

Rockster. =D I like it.

Yeppers!! =D I have been planning the great blackneck search for awhile. =) But I have still been looking for CB in case I can't find any (you field herpers know how it can be *rolls eyes*). Here are some local blacknecks from my surrounding area. *grins* All found in or originated from here in thee 'ole TX!!
http://www.gartersnake.co.uk/cyrt4.jpg

The above babies are from TX stock and the below adults are wild caught texans.

This is a picture of the babies from 2003 of Alan Francis UK :confused:
Thamnophis cyrtopsis ocellatus babies (http://www.gartersnake.co.uk/cyrt4.htm)

[GartersRock]

Their TX stock though as far as I know? Doesn't "quite" count, but sorta. lol!

[jewel-dragons]

the other pictures came from

Black-Necked Garter (http://www.texassnakes.net/BlackNeck.htm)


:-D

[Gijs & Sabine]

Their TX stock though as far as I know? Doesn't "quite" count, but sorta. lol!

Doesn't matter......they ARE beautifull babies and that's the main thing :D

[Tromas_al]

Hi! I'd be interested in a pair of T.tetrataenia.
How does it work if we want to make a deal? Could you send them, could they come by train with a backpack (sorry for the stupid joke...) or do we have to come? Do you have some available? Are they from April 2008?..