what about mixing?

[Snake lover 3-25]

could you mix two different kinds of snakes? what would it look like if you mixed these snakes?(below)
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/secret.jpg
^ this with v this
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//504/medium/T_sirtalis_CarteretNC1ed.jpg

[Stefan-A]

Making hybrids or intergrades is not something I would recommend. But you could.

[Snake lover 3-25]

I wonder if it would be purple... LOL

[Zephyr]

Yes, it would be, but I don't recommend it with Thamnophis. The creamsicle corn snake is an example of inter-subspecies hybridization. The snake is quite attractive, but it is kept strictly in the hobby and is carefully preserved in bloodlines in the corn and rat snake branch of the hobby. With garters, creating intergrades would have to be done under careful observation, and if the offspring display any health defects at all or are not desirable in coloration then they should not allowed breed. All in all, if some one with a very controlled environment created an intergrade, Thamnophis hobbyists everywhere would have to be alerted, in the strain would have to be specifically monitored and cared for, so that no further integrations in the gene pool could happen.

It has crossed my mind a few times, but I'd prefer to breed for coloration within a subspecies. :P

[Snake lover 3-25]

okay... just wondering :)

[adamanteus]

Chances are it wouldn't be.... we're not mixing paint.
Chances are it would just be a sh*tty looking brown sirtalis.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

im not sure about thamnophis but my two hybrids are beatiful but i agree better to just buy a nice looking snake then try to make one, in my idea hybrids are fine as long as u label them as hybrids

Chances are it wouldn't be.... we're not mixing paint.
Chances are it would just be a sh*tty looking brown sirtalis.

[Stefan-A]

Well, most hybrids I've seen look like **** anyway. Especially if you start going outside the species. Jungle corns are a prime example, IMHO.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

http://www.edgyexoticreptiles.com/images/dsc_1248.jpg
http://www.edgyexoticreptiles.com/images/dsc_1309.jpg

Well, most hybrids I've seen look like **** anyway. Especially if you start going outside the species. Jungle corns are a prime example, IMHO.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

those r mine

[adamanteus]

Exactly. They look like they came from a toy shop.

[adamanteus]

Don't mind me, Reed. I hate anything man-made!:rolleyes:

[Snake lover 3-25]

i dont think those look bad at all! i love the first one!!!

[Stefan-A]

those r mine
To me, that's just "case in point", but I do recognize that they too have their fans. :)

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

an imperial pueblan and a pueblacorn!!! gorgeous snakes!

[adamanteus]

an imperial pueblan and a pueblacorn!!! gorgeous snakes!

I can't agree with that. No denying the colours/patterns are quite pretty, but they look like a childs' drawing of a snake. It's not natural. I'm really not into this stuff... but hey, I don't even like albinos!

[Lori P]

I like the colors and patterns, myself... I love his snakes. But that's what makes the world interesting, right, that we all have different likes/dislikes. :-)

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

its actually not all imperial pueblan
the female:
25% Apricot Pueblan Milksnake
25% Banana Kingsnake
50% Nelsons Milksnake
Het for albino
the male
25% Apricot Pueblan Milksnake
25% Banana Kingsnake
50% Cornsnake
Double het for Albino and Anerythistic
there babies should be
25% Cornsnake
25% Banana Kingsnake
25% Nelsons Milksnake
25% Apricot Pueblan Milksnake
should get some albinos, the rest het for albino, and poss. het for anery


an imperial pueblan and a pueblacorn!!! gorgeous snakes!

[Zephyr]

Hmm... I wonder if you mixed two different sirtalis subspecies, you'd get a snake resembling their ancient relative...

[adamanteus]

I like the colors and patterns, myself... I love his snakes. But that's what makes the world interesting, right, that we all have different likes/dislikes. :-)

Absolutely, Lori. We're all different and have different tastes and opinions. Some are right (mine), some are wrong (everyone elses)!;)
Of course I'm kidding.:D But I do prefer my snakes 'as nature intended'.

[Zephyr]

Absolutely, Lori. We're all different and have different tastes and opinions. Some are right (mine), some are wrong (everyone elses)!;)
Of course I'm kidding.:D But I do prefer my snakes 'as nature intended'.
With a little human interference. AKA flame garters. :P
Although these do seem somewhat natural.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I don't see anything wrong with hybrids as long as they are honestly represented as so... integrades between subspecies and closely related species or species that overlap in range are more common than many people think.

[drache]

as far as I recall flame garters are naturally occurring morphs
morphs and intergrades do occur in nature, but much of what corn snake breeders do wouldn't - not to mention the crossing of different species
I guess it's (some) humans' nature to want to create labradoodles and maltotweilers
I am generally more impressed with the creations of nature than with those of humans, although micro chips are pretty cool and I think that once they make robot snakes, they should feel free to go hogwild with cartoonish patterns, just like they do with kids' jammies
that being said, I do get a bit creeped by folks obsessed with the pure blood line thing
the "purer" a blood line, the more likely it will end up with genetic defects, so in the case of a very small population, intergrading may be a genetic boon

[Stefan-A]

as far as I recall flame garters are naturally occurring morphs
IIRC, flames (with varying amounts of red of course) even occur reasonably often in certain populations, but I could be wrong.


morphs and intergrades do occur in nature, but much of what corn snake breeders do wouldn't
It would be extremely unlikely that an anerythristic and amelanistic corn would meet in the wild and produce offspring het for both and that those offspring would then get together and produce ghosts, yes. But human intervention is limited to create favorable conditions. We're still far from direct genetic engineering.