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Thamnophis
12-03-2007, 12:20 PM
Because I had to handle those stinky beast to put them in brumation I made some pics.

I show them here a bit late, but I have been very busy and was not able to visit this forum a lot.


1. Thamnophis cyrtopsis ocellatus - femalehttp://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/Thamnophis_cyrtopsis_ocellatus_2a.jpg

2. Thamnophis cyrtopsis ocellatus - male
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/Thamnophis_cyrtopsis_ocellatus_1a.jpg

3. Thamnophis fulvus - female
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/Thamnophis_fulvus_3a.jpg

4. Thamnophis fulvus - female
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/Thamnophis_fulvus_2a.jpg

5. Thamnophis fulvus - female
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/Thamnophis_fulvus_1a.jpg
Thamnophis
12-03-2007, 12:21 PM
6. Thamnophis hammondii - female
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/Thamnophis_hammondii_1a.jpg

7. Thamnophis melanogaster canescens - female
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/Thamnophis_melanogaster_canescens_female_1a.jpg

8. Thamnophis melanogaster canescens - male
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/Thamnophis_melanogaster_canescens_male_1a.jpg

9. Thamnophis "gathering"
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/Thamnophis_species_1a.jpg
adamanteus
12-03-2007, 12:25 PM
I love the male T. m. canescens. If you breed from him, put me down for some, Fons!
Those T. fulvus look as though they have an 'attitude'!:D
zooplan
12-03-2007, 12:57 PM
nice box of sweets in your last picture:D
jewel-dragons
12-03-2007, 01:02 PM
that fulvus head looks like a Atratus head.... NICE!!!

and the last photo.... very nice... one of that san frans is from the jewel-dragons breed? :-)

the biggest one is extremely red..... 8-)
Stefan-A
12-03-2007, 01:52 PM
Great pictures. :) Especially picture #5.
Lori P
12-03-2007, 02:25 PM
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/Thamnophis_melanogaster_canescens_male_1a.jpg

WOW. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! This guy leaves me speechless!!!!! I want I want I want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
enigma200316
12-03-2007, 04:16 PM
Very, Very nice snakes I like them all...........can I have them....:rolleyes::D
drache
12-03-2007, 04:46 PM
those are fantastic, Fons
I have to stop looking now
ScimitarX
12-03-2007, 06:10 PM
Wow! You have some beautiful snakes!!
Thamnophis
12-03-2007, 08:48 PM
I love the male T. m. canescens. If you breed from him, put me down for some, Fons!
Those T. fulvus look as though they have an 'attitude'!:D

It will take a few years untill they start breeding, James. They are born in 2007. But I will keep it in mind...
By the way, the young of this subspecies are all differently colored. I am curious how they look when they get older.
Thamnophis
12-03-2007, 08:50 PM
that fulvus head looks like a Atratus head.... NICE!!!

and the last photo.... very nice... one of that san frans is from the jewel-dragons breed? :-)

the biggest one is extremely red..... 8-)

One of the tetrataenia is indeed coming from you, Kuno.The biggest, reddest one came from Rody´s Dragons.
Lulu Bennett
12-03-2007, 08:50 PM
It will take a few years untill they start breeding, James. They are born in 2007. But I will keep it in mind...

I'm willing to wait too :D.
They are absolutly amazing!!!
to be honest they all are.
If you ever get bored and want rid then keep me in mind ;) :D
anji1971
12-03-2007, 09:03 PM
Oh, how I wish I lived on the other side of the Atlantic.............:D
They are all SO beautiful!
tikichick
12-03-2007, 10:15 PM
Wow, beautiful snakes!! Great pics too!
jtvl5
12-03-2007, 11:32 PM
Hi, if you don't mind me asking, where about did you catch the all black one?

jt
Thamnophis
12-04-2007, 01:24 AM
The all black ones are Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis. I did not catch them, but bought them from a Dutch breeder. I do not know where the parents or grandparents were caught originally.
Snaky
12-04-2007, 01:52 AM
Great pics, Fons. You've got a marvelous collection:)
GarterGuy
12-05-2007, 12:55 AM
Great pics Fons, beautiful looking snakes. More species to add to my want list....LOL.
EdgyExoticReptiles
12-05-2007, 01:14 AM
i can tell ur new so ill explain it beter that is just a morph of a eastern garter snake like an albino but its all black, most abnormal morphs are rare in the wild and come from breeders

Hi, if you don't mind me asking, where about did you catch the all black one?

jt
ssssnakeluvr
12-06-2007, 04:52 PM
Sweet!!!!!! I want a buch of the mexican species.....oh well......hopefully someday!!!!!! well, I want tetrataenias too, but thats really pushing it....:(
Sid
12-06-2007, 07:49 PM
All of them look great, Fons:D. Fantastic collection.
Charlet_2007
12-07-2007, 05:45 AM
3rd pic look likes it about to shed or already has? lol Great Snakes by the way.. love the colors!!!
mikm
12-07-2007, 08:43 AM
WOW and WOW-er !!! I am speechless :))
Thamnophis
12-07-2007, 02:00 PM
i can tell ur new so ill explain it beter that is just a morph of a eastern garter snake like an albino but its all black, most abnormal morphs are rare in the wild and come from breeders

I tend to not agree with you, Reed.
The black form of T. sirtalis sirtalis is in my opinion not a morph, but a normal form that occurs in some regions.
In my eyes a morph is something that is created by man.
Stefan-A
12-07-2007, 02:08 PM
To me, morph is the same as form. :)

Whether it's a commonly occurring form in nature, or one produced through selective breeding, it's still a morph in my opinion.
reptileparadise
12-07-2007, 02:11 PM
Indeed. Well, I could disagree with this, because most albino gartersnakes (morphs, in my opinion) are also found in the wild. But usually these are single animals. They just are 'used' by man to create more. The black sirtalis forms an entire population and is therefore (my opinion again...) natural and not a morph

@ Stefan: Defenitly agree on that! Morph can be a bit of a 'hard' word. Many people think negative things when you mention 'morphs'....