Looking to trade...

[Zephyr]

((I was told this goes here. :P))

I have 7 brilliant T. sirtalis sirtalis baby garters from last summer. 3 of them are your standard northerns with light to dark brown colouration with red speckling, 2 are a mint green with a bit of red, 1 is entirely green to turquoise, and the last is a light brown with a large amount of red through out his body.
Parents are off in communal brumating about 2 miles from my house, but pics are available.

I'm looking for a breeding pair or two sexed babies from different litters of either checkered garters, red-sided garters, Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis, or plains garters.
Please message me if you are interested in pics of the babies! :D

[adamanteus]

Hi Kyle. Yes, ads wouldn't normally be posted here, but I think our Classified section is not open to new members until they have posted a few times.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

i dont have anything to trade but u can still post pics:)

[Zephyr]

This is the mother of the normal and the high-red baby (Her name's Snowflake):

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/79/snowflakehg1.jpg

((Sorry if it's too big. ^^;;;))

[Zephyr]

As for the 3 others, I do not have a pic of the mother on hand. However, I will in a few months. :P

[enigma200316]

welcome to the forum, and I would like to see pics of the babies, after all its like an unoffical manditory thing to put up pics of your snakes......:D:D

[adamanteus]

Also Kyle, if you're looking to trade, perhaps you should tell us where in the US you are based?:D

[Zephyr]

I'm in Michigan. Dearborn to be specific. We have, in my opinion, the highest variety of colors in our garters. :D

These pics really don't do the babies any justice.
And if you're wondering why the tank's so scarcely decorated, it's because it's their winter enclosure. ^^
In the summer they get a protected pen outside. :D

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2294/img0944ci4.jpg
This is one of what I've dubbed "Mint" color. If she wasn't all the way on the other side of the tank it would be a bit clearer. x.x

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6545/img0946af1.jpg
High-red in front, normal in back. Bit of the other normal to the left.

[Zephyr]

I WOULD get up more pics of the other babies, but they're either way out of focus or hiding beneath the water bowl. XD

[adamanteus]

That high-red's lovely! Shame I'm such a long way from Michigan!

[Zephyr]

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7207/img0960vq9.jpg
The green/turquoise one. :P

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/3624/img0957bu6.jpg
Another pic of the high red and one of the normals.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4995/img0954ql7.jpg
Mint/red one investigating nightcrawler bits. Color's a bit similar to a pastel isn't it?

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/674/img0950xg7.jpg
Now THIS is a good pic. :D

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

theyre very pretty a couple kind of remind me of maritimes though

[Lori P]

Hi Kyle, and welcome. Very nice looking snakes!!

I have a horse named Zephyr!! :-)

[Zephyr]

Too pretty for T. sirtalis sirtalis right? ;D

[Zephyr]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/274/img0962xy6.jpg
Normal basking. <3

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9488/img0963yo5.jpg
"Sneaking" up on "prey." lol

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/8006/img0964pz3.jpg
Green/red, normal, and high red.

[Zephyr]

Did I mention they're feeding well on rosy reds, goldfish, slugs, red wigglers, earthworms, night crawlers and pinky parts? :D

[adamanteus]

Just a hint, Kyle.... Red Wrigglers are poisonous for Garter Snakes, and Goldfish contains high levels of Thiaminase which is a cumulative toxin. It would be a very good idea to cut out those two elements of your snake's diet.

[Zephyr]

Hmm... Halt the wigglers you say?
They never really liked them as much as night crawlers, and I haven't fed goldfish in a half year. They won't be harmed will they? D:

[adamanteus]

They'll be fine if they don't get any more!:D

Have a read through this;http://www.thamnophis.com/caresheets/index.php?title=Garter_Snake_Care_Sheet#THIAMINASE _PROBLEMS

[Zephyr]

Huzzah. ^^
At least they're feeding. :D

[anji1971]

Those are beautiful snakes! I also have a T.s. sirtalis, she has a bit of the orange through the sides. They're such pretty little snakes!

[tikichick]

Welcome! Nice photos :)

[Snaky]

Welcome, you've got some very nice little one's :)

[drache]

beautiful little ones you got there
welcome to the forum

[Odie]

Hi, from Oregon, Kyle :)
You got some good looking little ones there :D

[Zephyr]

You should see my summer breeders.
I have a silver boy who's more of a turquoise. :P

[Lori P]

Well, so, let's see him!!! :-)

[Zephyr]

Unfortunately my camera had an "oops" right before I let them off to their brumation site.
However, I do have a pic of my 2 1/2 foot male, Cremepuff. :P
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9195/cremepuffvm0.jpg
((Not me holding the snakes BTW :P))

[Lori P]

Well, he's very handsome. :-) However, with a name like Cremepuff, he's bound to have some issues... LOL!

[Zephyr]

Well, at first I thought he was a she, but then I found it this wasn't true. XD
So the name stuck.
He's a sweety anyways. :P

[Zephyr]

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5412/img0976vc6.jpg
Regular with red resting under the water bowl. :P

[Zephyr]

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2381/img0972qw2.jpg
Wow. Some one's a little fatty. XD

[big J]

would you be willing to sell the high red it is very beautiful I bet it will color up nicely as an adult

[Zephyr]

X3
They're all curled up in the corner of the tank right now. So cute! :P

[gwynhwyfar]

Wow! Those are adorable little babies.

[Zephyr]

Indeed. They're... 6 months old. ^^ At least most of them. It's hard to tell when all your garters keep giving birth in a pen outdoors. x.x

[Lori P]

Tell us about your pen! How is it made? Better yet, can you send pics??

[Zephyr]

Well, the old pen from last year looked like this:
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5871/img0457ar7.jpg

Lost the occasional snake due to escapes, but this was before the grass grew in around the base of the enclosure. This year we have a larger enclosure planned with a small pond in it. :D

BTW, that's not glass. Tis screen. :D

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

i would put a top on that i mean cats and birds and other predators could easily hurt some of them

[Zephyr]

We live in an extreme urban area, and I cover them up at night. They seem to do well with direct UV. :D

[Lori P]

Very cool. I wish I could give my guys a safe outdoor enclosure but the critters here can get into just about anything. I'd need some super duper screening and guard snakes posted all around. LOL

[Zephyr]

Have you tried predator-repelling plants? Marigolds and moonflowers work wonders. :D

[Lori P]

The goats would eat them, lol... and I have cats and chickens and turkeys and pigs that would want to eat the snakes... I could come up with a pen within a pen, to keep the bigger critters out maybe!!

[Zephyr]

Indeed. Or you could sell all your other critters and buy a giant greenhouse for your snakes. XD

[Lori P]

OMG!!! I KNEW IT!!! You're really my husband in disguise aren't you!!! (He adores the snakes because he doesn't have to build them fences, or barns, or help me move hay or 50 lb bags of feed... he keeps telling me to get one big enough to eat everything else here!!!) Your cover is blown!! LOL

[Zephyr]

lawl
You caught me.
XD

[Zephyr]

**Just as an additional note, I am no longer offering the two mint/reds and the turquoise/green babies!**

[Zephyr]

**Also, the high-red baby is no longer available! :D**

[Zephyr]

lol
Lots of announcements. :P
Just picking out my faves from the litter. I gotta keep some too. Can be lonely during the winter season.
Which reminds me, during the summer, I'll have pics of my hunting grounds where I've estimated the SNAKE population density to be 1 per every 10 cubic feet! :D

[adamanteus]

So, you've nothing left to trade now?

[enigma200316]

So, you've nothing left to trade now?


wow James your on late..................:eek::D

[Zephyr]

Most certainly not! I still have 3 wonderful standard coloured babies available! All eating well. *one more so than others if you check the "fatty" pic* XD

[adamanteus]

wow James your on late..................:eek::D

I'm really ill, mate. Can't sleep.:(

[Zephyr]

I'm really ill, mate. Can't sleep.:(

Try naming all the scientific names and then common names of all the garters you know. Then think of all the colour varieties.
Works great for me when I can't get to sleep. XD

[adamanteus]

Try naming all the scientific names and then common names of all the garters you know. Then think of all the colour varieties.
Works great for me when I can't get to sleep. XD

But I know them! I can't sleep because I ain't well. I'll just drink some more.... works for me!:D

[enigma200316]

I'm really ill, mate. Can't sleep.:(


I thought the Doc gave you some good stuff, and drinking isn't good with the meds, but if it helps go for it........:D

[Zephyr]

Your snakes could read you a bedtime story. XD

[Lulu Bennett]

drinking isn't good with the meds:D

i have told him the exactly same thing!! tut tut tut.
but you know he has that drinking problem Justin lol

[adamanteus]

Lulu, you're going to give me an undeserved reputation!

[enigma200316]

Lulu, you're going to give me an undeserved reputation!


thats ok I'll join that club with you James.......................:D

[drache]

Lulu, you're going to give me an undeserved reputation!
everybody needs a bit of undeserved reputation
I hope you feel better soon, James
my entire winter season is occupied with fending off these things
and boy - if my liver wasn't already shot - I'd love a hot toddy with a stiff shot of something or other

[adamanteus]

Thank you Rhea. I do feel pretty rough just now.... it's ruining my days off!:rolleyes: Both my ears have closed up, so I'm almost completely deaf at the moment.... and I can't walk in a straight line because my balance is shot. Nothing to do with alcohol though!:D

[Lori P]

JAMES!!!! I REALLY HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER SOON!!! LOTS OF WELL WISHES FROM HERE!!!!

Guys, we can finally talk about him, he can't hear us!!! :D

[adamanteus]

What?
"I'd rather soap your feet in bitter soup. Socks and wet tissues from her"?
What are you taking about???

[Lori P]

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I SAID-- GARTERS IN YOUR SHORTS HEAL EAR INFECTIONS QUICKLY!!!!

[adamanteus]

What?
"Partners if my shorts feel infectious and sickly?"
It must be your American accent, Lori!

[Lori P]

You're the one with the accent, deaf boy... and it's taken all day to reply to you because I'm typing veeeerrrrrrryyyyyy slooooooooowlyyyyyyy... LOL!!!:D

[adamanteus]

I've got partial hearing back in one ear now.... so I can hear you sniggering!:)

[Zephyr]

Hooray!

You know, when I go snake hunting, the first real sense I use is my hearing. :P

So you would be unable to properly capture les serpents James. XD

[adamanteus]

Kyle, do you do much field herping? I quite enjoy it myself, when my hearing is up to the job!
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/garter-snake-lounge/707-grass-snakes.html

[Zephyr]

Oh yes, tons in the summer. The 1 snake per **10** cubic feet place is 2 miles from my house! :D

[anji1971]

And where exactly would that be????:D

[Zephyr]

lol

The Garden Plots at University of Michigan. About 1 square mile of pure snake territory: Browns, Garters, and Rough Greens. :D
You literally can't step with out finding an adult in June, and in July-August there's tons of babies running around. Then in September, the browns give birth, and under everything they're shooting out like worms. :P

I'm not exaggerating.

[anji1971]

Well..........that's just a hop, skip and a jump over the river from my house! Hmmm.......... just need a snake-sneaker to get 'em back home!;);)

[Lulu Bennett]

Kyle, do you do much field herping? I quite enjoy it myself, when my hearing is up to the job!
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/garter-snake-lounge/707-grass-snakes.html

James, did you ever manage to catch another grass snake?
did you keep them or let them go?

[adamanteus]

I took the male back and let him go. I decided to stick to just Garters now. I will still go and catch native snakes, but I won't bring them home anymore, just have fun and take pictures!:)

Why? You want to come out to play?

[Zephyr]

I'd love to see grass snakes in the US. :O

[Zephyr]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2319/img0987pd7.jpg
One of the babies up for trade. :D

[Zephyr]

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2964/img0989pz3.jpg
One of two "mint pastels."

[Zephyr]

K, so lately I've been ENTIRELY APPALLED at my snake's colour changes. Most of the snakes you've seen, save for the two largest which appear to be female and standard colored, have blossomed into INCREDIBLE specimens. We have no AA batteries left, but tomorrow I should be able to get up some pics of these BREATH TAKING SNAKES.

[Serpentine99]

cant wait to see them

[Zephyr]

Today, Still no double AA's... BUT, I'm wondering, because their colour is somewhat subdued now, if the vivid colours I saw last night were from their blood pulsing through their bodies, as it was feeding time. Kind of like blushing maybe?

[enigma200316]

maybe because when they feed they expand a little and that usually brightens the color or makes it more visable.......:)

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

feed them again before you take them again if it makes pretty colors come back

[Zephyr]

Then I shall feed them on Saturday. ^^
I was thinking maybe it was sort of like what they think the plates on stegosaurs did: when they changed moods the blood pressure and whatnot would rise in the plates and the blood would cause them to change colours.

[enigma200316]

Then I shall feed them on Saturday. ^^
I was thinking maybe it was sort of like what they think the plates on stegosaurs did: when they changed moods the blood pressure and whatnot would rise in the plates and the blood would cause them to change colours.


Z anything is possible, but I'm not enough of an expert to really say...lol