Maritime garters [Archive] - Garter Snake Forum

GarterGuy

11-20-2006, 09:27 AM

Hello all,
Has anyone had any experiance working with or actually have any Maritime (T.s.pallidulus) garters. I've seen several pics on the internet of individuals that were a really nice shade of green with yellow chins and deep red spots. I imagine that this colour is not the "type" colour for these guys, but WOW! I'd love to try and work with them. Thanx ahead for any and all info.
--Roy

Thamnophis

11-20-2006, 09:39 AM

Sorry Roy, can't help you.
But I agree with you... they are very beautiful.

Daniel

11-20-2006, 12:15 PM

GarterGuy

11-20-2006, 12:33 PM

Hi Roy,

I´m thinking about if this snake could be a T. s. pallidulus

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//502/medium/SS-01-B-04-143.JPG

If so, I do have experiences in keeping this kind of snakes ;) and would be interested in getting a male snake for my lonesome female.

Best wishes,

Daniel

You know, I kind of wondered about that myself when I saw that pic. I honestly don't know enough about them though to know how to really tell the difference between pallidulus and sirtalis. Where did you get her? I know pallidulus is primarily found in the far northeast of the US and southeast Canada...around the coastal regions and some islands.

Daniel

11-20-2006, 01:20 PM

Hey Roy,

I got her as a gift from an american friend last year. She is a wildcaught snake and I do not exactly know where it´s from. But my friend lives up in the north east of the US.

The snake is only 50 cm of lenght and sinc I got her she doesn´t grow anymore. Extremly uncommon for a normal eastern garter. The color pattern is uncommon too for a eastern garter but more common for the maritime garter.

I´ve never seen a T. s. pallidulus befor so I´m not sure in identifying this snake too.

Best wishes,

Daniel

ssssnakeluvr

11-20-2006, 02:03 PM

That looks like the maritimes I had a couple years ago...unfortunately mine passed away before I could breed them.

greyhawk

11-20-2006, 05:34 PM

I'm not positive easterns and maritimes are seperate subspecies. Because the thing that defines maritimes is their faint stripes and reddish/green spots. But some easterns are stripeless or have red on them in other parts of the country like in the southeast. If they are different subspecies they probably intergrade too. I think most people recognize them as different subspecies though. Anywhom, heres a pic of one i caught about a month ago in New Hampshire. Its not the best picture and there's too much sunlight i think.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/rhyion/takandmaritime.jpg

Thamnophis

11-20-2006, 08:19 PM

On my website I have four pictures that I got from Nicholas Bertrand from Québec, Canada. This are T. sirtalis pallidulus according to him.

Click the button T. sirtalis and then you click the button http://www.kousebandslangen.nl/fotoos1.jpg
Scroll down till you find them.

Very beautiful specimen, Daniel!

GarterGuy

11-20-2006, 11:33 PM

Ok.....WOW Thamnophis you have a great site!!!! Even though I can't understand a thing on it (unless it's in Latin....LOL) I'm VERY impressed. The species section is really great......you've got pics of lots of Thamnophis sp. that I've never seen before.......I was almost drooling looking at some of the pics....LOL. Now I want to work with LOTS of other species too!:eek:

Thamnophis

11-21-2006, 07:47 PM

Thanks GarterGuy.
It was a lot of work, but I think it is worth it.

Today I placed a new picture on the http://www.kousebandslangen.nl/fotoos1.jpg-page of Thamnophis sirtalis.
A very nice T. s. parietalis with much red.

GarterGuy

11-24-2006, 06:29 PM

Looking up info. on these guys some more online and found a site about herping in Maine. It has some pics of T.s.pallidulus that look lots like your snake Daniel. I'd definitely think it is T.s.pallidulus. I may have to take a trip to Maine to see what I can find to establish a breeding colony. Here's the site Maine Herping - Summer 2003, 2004 (http://www.uga.edu/srelherp/jd/jdweb/Herps/trips/herptrip_ME0304.htm)