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mb90078

10-28-2007, 04:44 PM

Found this today and was just curious what subspecies it was. I'm sure someone here can ID it.

Lulu Bennett

10-29-2007, 02:35 PM

to be totally honest its not the best pic lol and i am not to good at this game but here goes...T.s. fitchi- Valley Garter.

Natural range includes: Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, Oregon, Idaho and Washington

well how did i do?

enigma200316

10-29-2007, 02:41 PM

I'm not sure but it looked like a T. s. sirtalis to me,the pics not that great, and what the heck do I know anyway................:)

Lulu Bennett

10-29-2007, 02:46 PM

i dont know but something tells me it isn't an eastern... i couldnt make out the checkered patterns i have seen on T.S.S but that is just me :D

enigma200316

10-29-2007, 02:48 PM

oh and welcome to the forum and also where is this located?....:)

Lulu Bennett

10-29-2007, 02:51 PM

oh and welcome to the forum and also where is this located?....:)
lol justin forgot about that lol

Mb welcome to the forum sweety xxx

adamanteus

10-29-2007, 05:14 PM

Looks like an Eastern (T.s.sirtalis) to me, Mike.

EdgyExoticReptiles

10-29-2007, 05:15 PM

hmm if you put better pics we could id it better. does it hav red-blotches on its sides? very bright yellow stripe tho are you going to keep it?

Lulu Bennett

10-29-2007, 06:13 PM

Looks like an Eastern (T.s.sirtalis) to me, Mike.
but it doesn't have the checkereds on its body?! :(

snakeman

10-29-2007, 06:53 PM

Gotta be t. radix.That lateral stripe is pretty high.

ssssnakeluvr

10-29-2007, 07:19 PM

Radix....look at the spots under the side stripe...puts the side stripe on scale rows 3-4.....

mb90078

10-29-2007, 08:19 PM

Hey everyone, thanks for the quick replies!

I apologize about the low quality of the pictures, but to be honest, they turned out better than I had even hoped they would (cell phone camera). I only have one more picture that I took of it with me, which is pretty similar to the 2nd one I showed you (which is why I didn't include it at first), but maybe the slightly different angle may be of help?

Found it in Eastern Iowa, so I guess most of your guesses of Radix or Sirtalis seem plausible based on region.

Just found it interesting cuz it was the first "wild" snake I've seen/caught (very temporarily) after living in the Chicago suburbs most of my life and then three years here in Iowa. Ironically, just last week I saw my first lizard (with the exception of vacations to Florida), a skink just a half a block from where I found this guy. Crazy what you can find when you keep your eyes open.

Josh

10-29-2007, 10:08 PM

hmmm i say plains garter

Charlet_2007

10-29-2007, 10:14 PM

Looks exactly like mine.... And no one can pin point it eather lol.. So good luck on finding out what it is lol.. Because if you figure it out please tell me lol..

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/zoie18_2001/S6300139.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/zoie18_2001/DSC00062.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/zoie18_2001/DSC00059.jpg

brandon0133

10-29-2007, 10:46 PM

that snake looks just like mine,,

this is the eastern so everyone tells me,,that i have
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_5217.jpg
and this is my other two
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_5083.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4856.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4844.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4847.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4839.jpg
one has red spots on it and the other one dont,,

Thamnophis

10-30-2007, 12:33 AM

T. radix...

mikm

10-30-2007, 04:09 AM

Charlet, Radix for sure ... What a lovely vibrant stripe she has :)

Best,

enigma200316

10-30-2007, 07:02 AM

Stefan-A

10-31-2007, 01:19 AM

The lateral stripe seems to be in the second and third rows, I'd say T. sirtalis annectens. T. radix would have it in the third and fourth.

drache

10-31-2007, 07:10 AM

I know this is off the subject, but is that a PI King or a Fla King you got there?

Charlet_2007

10-31-2007, 09:38 PM

Charlet, Radix for sure ... What a lovely vibrant stripe she has :)

Best,

She? how do you know its a she?

Charlet_2007

10-31-2007, 09:42 PM

I know this is off the subject, but is that a PI King or a Fla King you got there?

brooks king? male I'm looking for a female for him.. hes a normal..

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/zoie18_2001/SweetPeavid00225.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/zoie18_2001/SweetPea9-4-0713.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/zoie18_2001/SweetPea9-4-0711.jpg

drache

11-01-2007, 06:52 AM

he's beautiful
looks so much like mine, who's an intergrade

Charlet_2007

11-02-2007, 04:57 PM

thats cool but whats a intergrade? and how hard is it to fine another one like him but only a female?

EdgyExoticReptiles

11-02-2007, 05:41 PM

and intergrade is a mix like a cross-breed

thats cool but whats a intergrade? and how hard is it to fine another one like him but only a female?

adamanteus

11-02-2007, 05:51 PM

To be slightly more specific, an intergrade is what results from the natural breeding of two sub-species where their geographical ranges overlap. A natural occurrence of cross breeding between two sub-species,

jeffkenn

11-02-2007, 05:59 PM

I am bewildered

RZL36

11-02-2007, 06:30 PM

I have a south florida that is much darker (almost looks like getula getula), but has the same patterning.

EdgyExoticReptiles

11-02-2007, 08:44 PM

well what im aware of kings are very popular cross-breeding snakes so even if u didnt find one exactly its ok (well its up to u) try kingsnake.com - the information portal for reptile and amphibian hobbyists. (http://www.kingsnake.com)

thats cool but whats a intergrade? and how hard is it to fine another one like him but only a female?

Stefan-A

11-02-2007, 08:55 PM

Would anybody like to comment on my suggestion that the garter Charlet posted pictures of, might be a T. sirtalis annectens and not necessarily a T. radix?

ssssnakeluvr

11-02-2007, 09:51 PM

I'd say charlet's photo is not a radix...side stripe is on rows 2 and 3...radix are on 3 and 4...the first pics, the small thumbnails, are radix. charlet's looks like a t s annectens.....some radix do have bright orange stripes, however side stripes give it away.

gman75

11-12-2007, 09:46 PM

The garter above is for sure a T. sirtalis annectens. Where did you find it? They are actually quite rare.