fashionably late, but ...

[Snaky]

here are some pics of my latest additions ;)

The first one is a female elegans terrestris that Gijs & Sabine picked out for me... it already has a nice coloration, so this will become a beauty, I'm sure of it:cool:.
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0486_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0485_klein.JPG
And she is a VERY good eater... she is currently housed together with another garter, and she ate the complete meal I gave them. This is the proof:eek:
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0454_klein.JPG

[Snaky]

Then we have this nice couple atratus atratus. The female has an orange line and the male a yellow line. I love them, they are always visible and never retreat in their hides:)
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0434_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0459_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0439_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0425_klein.JPG

[Snaky]

I already had some marcianus, but now I can have 2 different bloodlines :)

The first is a normal wildcolored male.
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0469_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0461_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0457_klein.JPG
And this is unfortunately the only pic of the heterozygote albino female.
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0464_klein.JPG

[Snaky]

Next is my couple hammondii, unfortunately brother and sister, but maybe I can change that next year and have some other bloodlines... we'll have to see

Those are really the most secretive garter I've had till now. I enjoy every second they pop out.
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0420_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0408_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0433_klein.JPG
They also eat like a pig, as you can see.
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0466_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0465_klein.JPG

[Snaky]

And after walking to Gijs & Sabine's table at snake day, I couldn't resist this little fella. He also has some great color on him. So another male elegans terrestris.
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/P1010246_Medium_.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/P1010244_Medium_.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/P1010247_Medium_.JPG

I have 2 other terrestris, but don't have pictures of them at the moment, sorry:o

[Lulu Bennett]

whats a heterozygote albino? i have got 2 albino but look nothing like your female and i may be going blind but i couldn't see any difference between the male and female.

[Snaky]

And because I like you guys, I'll give you some dessert.

Some pictures that I liked from the other garters.
cyrtpsis cyrtopsis
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0456_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0438_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0450_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0481_klein.JPG
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0478_klein1.JPG

concinnus
http://gallery.dierenparadijs.be/data/500/medium/204_0423_klein.JPG

[Snaky]

whats a heterozygote albino? i have got 2 albino but look nothing like your female and i may be going blind but i couldn't see any difference between the male and female.
You can't see the difference, it's only geneticly. It has the albino gene, but that is surpressed by the normal colored gene. I also have a male albino and breeding him to the female heterozygote will give me albino and heterozygote newborns.

Maybe reading this can clarify things:
http://www.thamnophis.com/caresheets/index.php?title=Genetics

[drache]

wow!
what an eye-feast!
why do thet all have to be so beautiful?

[Snaky]

I know what you mean Rhea, my room is also becoming too small...;)

[Lulu Bennett]

You can't see the difference, it's only geneticly. It has the albino gene, but that is surpressed by the normal colored gene. I also have a male albino and breeding him to the female heterozygote will give me albino and heterozygote newborns.

Maybe reading this can clarify things:
http://www.thamnophis.com/caresheets/index.php?title=Genetics

ahhh just had a light bulb go on lol the female is het for albinoism. so if you freed it to a normal male and have an albino baby, then you breed the baby with the mum it makes another baby eiter albino or 66%het for????

[Lulu Bennett]

ohh and they are beautiful babies btw

[Snaky]

Thanks.

I can't really follow what you're saying, but here we go with an explanation:D


I have a normal wildcolored animal: CC ( big C = wildcolor gene and is dominant)
I have a heterozygote albino animal: cC (big C same as above and small c is the albino gene )
I have an albino: cc

I breed albino x wilcolored:
I get all cC combinations, nothing else is possible if you draw a matrix. ( this is the first example in the matrix)

I breed albino x heterozygote:
I get all albino or heteryzygote animals.
X c c
c cc cc
C cC cC

I breed heterozygote x heterozygote (also in the article):
As you see, you get a mix of albino and normal colored animals. Of these normal colored animals, some are heterozygote but not all. And you don't know which are. But there are 2 chances out of 3 that it is heteryzygote (2/3 = 66%). So there is a 66% possibility on a heterozygote animal.

Hope that this clarifies it a bit more.:)
X c C
c cc cC
C cC CC

[Lulu Bennett]

lol i think i get it lol :D
thanks for your help sweety xxx

[Sid]

You really have some fantastic specimen there. Those are great photos. Thanks for sharing.

[Snaky]

yw ;)

I hope I'll have some time later on to finish that article:rolleyes:

edit: Thanks Sid

[enigma200316]

Very nice, you can of course just send them to me.......:D

[Josh]

Awsome!!!!!
love hammnondi

[Lori P]

Ooooohhhh these are all so beautiful!!! Great pics, thanks so much!! I really enjoyed seeing them all!!

[anji1971]

Beautiful snakes!!! If I ever take a trip to your corner of the world, better watch out , I may have to snake-nap a few!!!!!!!;);)

[zooplan]

Thanks you sharing your pics,
furthermore I can only sing with the chorus
Beautyfulllll

[Odie]

Beautiful snakes!!! If I ever take a trip to your corner of the world, better watch out , I may have to snake-nap a few!!!!!!!;);) I am Anji1971 :D

[Snaky]

Thanks for all the replies guys:)

[zooplan]

Thats all only to make you to post more;)

[Snaky]

Lol Udo, I'd have to buy a camera for myself to be able to do that:o

[zooplan]

Christmas is near;)

[reptileparadise]

Very, very nice!

[Stefan-A]

Incredibly good looking snakes you have there. :) I'm definitely green with envy. ;)

[Snaky]

We'll see Udo;)

Thanks Sjoerd & Stefan.:)

[Bay_area]

Nice & thanks for sharing. Your T. atratus atratus (Santa Cruz Garter) are as nice as the ones we found this year in San Mateo County. I didn't bag it, looking back I wish I did.

One in the wild

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c306/norcalsnakemaster/SantaCruzGarter.jpg

[Snaky]

That's indeed quite a nice specimen! So lucky that you've seen them in the wild :)

[reptileparadise]

Wow...really really really cool you found them in the wild! So pretty!

[adamanteus]

Great new additions, Hans....and great photos too. I particularly like the hammondii, they're top of my list for next year......so I'll be 'picking your brains' for guidance/tips.:D

[Snaky]

At this moment, I can tell you they are gorgeous, but really shy. They eat anything, pinkies to fish. They are mostly on the ground, altough I'll still need to give them some bigger space, more branches and more hiding spots and see how they evolve then. But feel free to ask away at that time;)

[adamanteus]

Thanks Hans. That's a species we don't hear much about on the forum..... I hope you'll keep us updated with info and plenty of photos.

[Thamnophis]

Beautiful pics and snakes, Hans.

And my experiences with hammondii are the smae as those of Hans. Quite shy but excellent feeders.

[Snaky]

Thanks Fons :)